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Chinese Firm Helps Iran Spy On Citizens

New submitter politkal excerpts from a report at Reuters: "A Chinese telecommunications equipment company has sold Iran's largest telecom firm a powerful surveillance system capable of monitoring landline, mobile and internet communications, interviews and contract documents show. The system was part of a 98.6 million euro ($130.6 million) contract for networking equipment supplied by Shenzhen, China-based ZTE Corp to the Telecommunication Co of Iran (TCI), according to the documents. Government-controlled TCI has a near monopoly on Iran's landline telephone services and much of Iran's internet traffic is required to flow through its network. ... Human rights groups say they have documented numerous cases in which the Iranian government tracked down and arrested critics by monitoring their telephone calls or internet activities. Iran this month set up a Supreme Council of Cyberspace, headed by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said it would protect 'against internet evils,' according to Iranian state television."

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  1. Terrible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's terrible they're taking marketshare from Cisco, Bluecoat and gang!

  2. oh crap... by mevets · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now the NSA is going to outsource to China too. What is left for the domestic high tech industry?

    1. Re:oh crap... by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Patent suits!

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  3. Holy God.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how about a headline like: "Israeli firm hels USA to spy on citizens" or "American firm helps Sweden to spy on citizens".. this is happening everywhere. Google "lawful intercept".

    1. Re:Holy God.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's cute except its not true. You only THINK you have more influence in America but in reality you're just as fucked as them.

      What is/was your influence on SOPA? TSA? Patent laws? Weed? Death penalty? Stem cells? I see lots of talking and controversies with very little "deciding" and a lot of "here is what we have decided". Just because people didn't protest as much as they should about these issues doesn't mean its not worth protesting for.

    2. Re:Holy God.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd say we had plenty effect on SOPA, seeing as it died.

    3. Re:Holy God.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's take these one by one:

      > SOPA?
      They did have an effect on this one, it's dead (at least for now). The reason there is usually no effect is because people don't know enough about the laws, and some of them are even created in secret.

      > TSA?
      What about the TSA? Nobody likes it, but I don't think anyone has a better idea.

      > Patent laws?

      Well again, the problem here is that the general population has no idea about these. The people who do are usually the ones who benefit from having them. People who know enough to understand the problems patents cause, and aren't in a position to benefit from patents (i.e. individual coders, OSS enthusiasts) are a small number, and not well organized.

      >Weed?
      What about it? Most polls have shown only a minority in favor of legalizing it, so the law matches the people's will.

      >Death penalty?
      This varies by state, just as the polls do, so again, it would seem the law matches people's will.

      > Stem cells?
      This is another situation where most people don't really understand it, and to top it off, religious fanatics in the US have more lobbying power than scientists (and there are more of them). Sadly, this reflects majority rule as well.

      The problem is that "Majority rule" isn't good when the majority is relatively uneducated, stupid, or apathetic. The alternative is to have a two tier voting system, where you have two tiers:
      1. Basic citizen - Can vote on basic issues, have basic rights
      2. Educated citizen - Educated in some area of information, so you can vote on that area as well.

      But, obviously this would be abused, since people could be denied the right to vote by denying them the right to become a type 2 citizen somehow. For example, you could make sure only the "right" people can vote on patent reform by making sure only patent lawyers can vote. I'm sure they'll want to abolish patents, right?

  4. Dear Iranian Friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a well known fact that Chinese produce low-quality knock-offs that can't stand the test of time (or your pesky and stubborn dissidents).

    I strongly suggest you procure top-quality American equipments - they let you go to eleven. Pay a little now and nail whole lot more pests in the long haul.

    1. Re:Dear Iranian Friends by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a well known fact that Chinese produce low-quality knock-offs that can't stand the test of time (or your pesky and stubborn dissidents).

      I strongly suggest you procure top-quality American equipments - they let you go to eleven. Pay a little now and nail whole lot more pests in the long haul.

      I'm afraid you're 15 years out of date. The boards in the "top-quality American equipment" probably have "made in China" stamped on them.

  5. Anything to make money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A long time ago, during the time of the Shah, the U.S. government helped sell weapons to Iran.

    Then the U.S. government helped sell weapons to Iraq, to fight a war with Iran.

    Now the Chinese are encouraging hostile behavior against the welfare of Iran. Will China become the new money-for-destructiveness king?

    1. Re:Anything to make money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't forget that USA still has the largest spying machines on earth, Echelon, Facebook and Google. Echelon is installed on major ISP's backbones and monitors the traffic of the whole world, while Google and Facebook collect as much information as possible about every human being on planet.

    2. Re:Anything to make money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And before that the US and UK Gov helped overthrow Iran's government and install the Shah. I won't be surprised if most Iranians are still aware of that event in their history.

      The Chinese are just selling to whoever wants to buy from them. If the Iranian people don't want their current government that's a different issue. The Chinese never claimed to be the good guys, nor do they go around telling others how to run their countries.

      Not long ago the Palestinians democratically elected their government. The US Gov didn't like the election results and promptly said so in public.

      So to me the USA has little credibility whenever they talk about what government the Iranians (or others) should have, and what the Iranians actually want. The USA has been overthrowing democracies for a long time.

    3. Re:Anything to make money. by donscarletti · · Score: 2

      The Chinese never claimed to be the good guys

      Really? I could have swarn I heard something about the Chinese being the good guys on China Central Television last night. I think one of the key points of the Chinese position is that the government and party is responsible for all harmony, peace, flowers and puppies that exist on this planet.

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    4. Re:Anything to make money. by mikael · · Score: 3

      You don't really notice that while you are in a country like the UK. But as soon as you move to a neighbouring country in Europe, you suddenly find that all the big issues (like "austerity measures", "the war on terror" are non-issues). Almost as if they were deliberately the state of siege.

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    5. Re:Anything to make money. by miletus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How dare the Iranian gov't of the 1950s try and nationalize the oil under their land that rightfully belonged to British Petroleum! Those evil people weren't respecting the rule of law, the same way Chinese people refused to respect the British right to sell them opium!

      Furthermore, we all know the great democracies of the USA and Britain never stole any land or resources from any other people (remember how the Cherokee left Georgia because they new the African slave volunteers needed a new home?), which of course grants them the right to intervene in other, inferior democracies.

      Thank god we have people like you to clarify our rights.

  6. Only China and Iran? Business as usual. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Informative

    A XXX telecommunications equipment company has sold YYY's largest telecom firm a powerful surveillance system capable of monitoring landline, mobile and internet communications, interviews and contract documents show.

    These days, it's surveillance systems, all the way down.

    Everywhere.

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  7. Re:The real question is... by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Six years ago, I saw a ZTE branded IPTV router at a hotel in Shanghai. Cheap build quality on the plastics used, but it at least powered on and worked. Par for the course in China. Last year, I saw that the cheapest cellphone Verizon sold was by ZTE.

    People buy cheap. It's how successfully companies generally start out by selling lower tiered products and eventually working their way up to high-end offerings. Watch for it! This company will be as huge as LG at their current rate.

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  8. Re:Only China and Iran? Business as usual. by starfishsystems · · Score: 5, Informative

    These days, it's surveillance systems, all the way down.

    Too true. If you want to make network gear for the US market, for example, it must be capable of packet intercept per CALEA.

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  9. Re:An outrage by wmac1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do we really care about Iranian citizens???

    US and Europe has put economic embargo on Iran which directly harms normal Iranian. 30 years of embargo on civil aviation, directly supporting Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war) , and now embargo on Iranian banks and swift banking communications have all been affecting normal Iranian citizens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran).

  10. Why do I always think of dystopian futures? by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my mind I have an idea for someone's dystopian novel where a weak president comes into office of the USA. Then Iran finds a US citizen defaming something. Then the USA president extradites the citizen over. I guess it is bad enough they put a fatwa on a comedian. And police are fighting against peaceful protestors in the USA. Maybe I keep thinking of dystopian futures because it seems like things keep heading that way.

    1. Re:Why do I always think of dystopian futures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some bad things are going to happen in Iran in the next couple of years. The worst: Israel goes in and bombs the shit out of them and starts a regional war. Best: Persian Spring (or Summer, Fall, or Winter)

      The dystopian future I see is the US turning into a Christian Theocracy. And as what all religions do when they become political, they'll turn this country into an oppressive and backward shit hole.

  11. Off the top of my head? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Intel, AMD, Texas Instruments, Motorola, Analog Devices, Xilinx, Altera, IBM, nVidia, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Ratheon, General Dynamics, Microsoft, Google, Oracle, and Apple.

    There's more, those are just the ones that readily come to mind. By extension this means every desktop processor, and nearly every computer processor period (Hitachi and ARM being the two exceptions), every FPGA, much of the world's small signal electronics (opamps, DACs, etc), one of three major airplane manufacturers, most of the world operating systems, and so on.

    Sorry, but I get a little sick of this snark of "The US has no industry!" In fact the US has a massive amount of industrial. It's industrial output is second only to China, and then only recently. More, in terms of high tech the US has it in spades. Take Intel as an example. Far and away the processor found in most computers in the world, desktop and server. US headquartered, and massive US production facilities (of their 10 fabs 7 are in the US including the newest, 1 is in Ireland, 1 is Israel, and 1 in China). The only company in the world with a working 22nm node process online right now (everyone else is 32nm node or 28nm half node). None of this meantions their other areas (networking, storage, satellite, etc). Ya, just slightly high tech, slightly huge.

    The US produces a LOT of things. If you don't know what the failing is yours, not the US's.

  12. probably overrated by Max_W · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If governments can produce such powerful systems, as they claim, why cannot they do something as simple as stopping spam, which, by the way, really hurts economies.

    My guess is that these systems suffer from the usual contracts' weaknesses: kickbacks, wow-presentations, bugs, etc.

  13. 3GPP standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do not know about landlines, but regarding mobile, this technology is part of the 3GPP standard, and all operators in the free world have this equipment installed as well.

  14. Think of the children .... by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Without this monitoring Iranian children could be reading all sorts of evil perverted stuff on the internet. The Bible, the United nations declaration of human rights, or even the Bhagavad Gita.

  15. It's not just China by chrb · · Score: 3, Informative
  16. Re:Who talks like that? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Have you listened to anything a state Attorney General with his eye on re-election(or better things) says about the internet when some 'cyber-bullying' case is in the media or somebody is shocked, shocked to discover that there may be prostitution on craigslist?

    Never mind, of course, the actual fundamentalist dingbats, not just the cynical politicians.

  17. Re:If I lived there... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anonymous Coward is an unusually apt username today...

  18. except for tibet, taiwan, korea, vietnam by decora · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the uighurs, and a few other minor exceptions, yeah. the chinese communist party doesn't tell anyone what to do.

    some people will complain, especially americans, who keep brining up this old 'korean war' thing, where chinese troops were killing UN troops who were trying to drive out a horrible dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of people. but hey. there are whiners in every bunch.

  19. Re:dont forget starbucks by El+Torico · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first set of employers is for Engineering Majors; the second set is for Liberal Arts Majors. Flame away Baristas, I have the karma to withstand it.

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  20. Re:If I lived there... by El+Torico · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, what your saying is that a site like Slashdot would result in a lot of people in trouble with the government? It's common for people to very extremely critical or their governments on this site. Then there is a difference between the West and China.
    I'm sure people who kept their mouths shut were happier in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union too.

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  21. Iran has to do this by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

    How else could they find, and execute (by painful suspension hanging) people for such crimes as: witchcraft, apostacy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and crimes against chastity?

    What could we expect from a country where woman are being stoned to death for adultury?