Slashdot Mirror


The TAG Challenge: $5k Global Manhunt Using Social Media

An anonymous reader writes "CNET just published an article about a new challenge to photograph 5 target individuals in 5 different cities on March 31st. The TAG challenge will pay the winner $5k. Target mobility means this will be much harder than the DARPA Red Balloon Challenge which was won by MIT. From the article: 'On March 31, mug shots of five "suspects" will be published, and it'll be game on in a global hunt for "jewel thieves" in Bratislava, Slovakia; Stockholm; London; Washington, D.C.; and New York City, each of whom will spend 12 hours that day in public areas. The first team to upload photographs of each of the five by noon eastern time on April 1 will win the competition--and with it, a ton of international glory.'"

31 of 53 comments (clear)

  1. Neat. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    Things like this are why the internet is awesome.
    It's also worth pointing out that the DARPA challenge was done strictly in the states, since this one spans several countries.
    I'll be curious to see how this turns out.

    --
    What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
  2. Armies of look-alikes and false positives by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now would someone, or a lot of someones, purposely disguise themselves to look like the targets individuals in the fives cities? And romp around all day in public? Nah, couldn't happen.

    The volume of false positives will be amusing at least.

    "There he is! Right next to Elvis, flipping burgers! With Angelina Jolie's leg!"

    --
    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  3. Real fugitives... by Covalent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't announce where they're going, tend to shy away from appearing in public places for 12 hours consecutively, are capable of wearing disguises, etc.

    This is possibly useful for finding the average citizen.

    Oh, I see where they're going with this now...

    --
    Great warrior...hrmph! Wars not make one great.
    1. Re:Real fugitives... by RogueLeaderX · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The problem is average citizens are as yet unaware they're fugitives.

      There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system. - Ayn Rand

      Note: I don't agree with most of Ms. Rand's sentiments, but this is proving increasingly true.

    2. Re:Real fugitives... by vlm · · Score: 4, Funny

      are capable of wearing disguises

      Have them wear hoodies, what could possibly go wrong?

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    3. Re:Real fugitives... by schlachter · · Score: 1

      geez...let them first attempt a relaxed version of the problem space before going for the uber hard version of the problem space. Anyways, the goal here is more about exploring the business model and social models that arise from successful team efforts...not the ability of a lone spotter to find a fugitive in a crowd.

      --
      My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
    4. Re:Real fugitives... by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Note: I don't agree with most of Ms. Rand's sentiments, but this is proving increasingly true.

      She was wrong on a number of things, but she occasionally knocked one out of the park. This statement by her mirrors current reality closely enough to actually be a little disturbing.

      You know what they say... A broken clock is right as long as you can get someone to pay you for it. Or wait, I think I have my Ayn Rand maxims mixed up here. A high priced clock is right as long as someone else saw you pay good money for it? Oh what was it...

    5. Re:Real fugitives... by flyingsquid · · Score: 2
      The issue is that we have vast amounts of intelligence out there that can let us spot threats, but it doesn't end up where it needs to go. In the lead up to 9/11, intelligence analysts were writing reports with titles like "bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"; if they had also known that there were middle eastern men taking lessons in flying planes (but not interested in landing them) then perhaps 9/11 and two wars could have been averted. Attempted airplane bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was reported by his own family as being radicalized, they were worried about him and what he might do. His plot didn't work, but if those reports had made it to the right people, he never would have gotten on that plane in the first place. Likewise, Mohamed Merah, the French man who killed three French soldiers and three Jewish schoolchildren, was detained in Afghanistan by NATO forces. If that information had been in the right hands, perhaps they would have caught him sooner.

      It's ultimately a social networking problem. People are connected to other people by links, often surprisingly few. There's the classic 'six degrees of separation', but these days, with social media, internet, and cell phones, the number of links has to be even fewer. But the information doesn't get where it needs to go. So how do we exploit a combination of internet and social networks to ensure that the right information gets passed to the right people, at the right time? The obvious application would be to intelligence organizations and government bureaucracies, allowing them to accurately assess threats and make the right decisions.

    6. Re:Real fugitives... by gusmolinadroid · · Score: 2

      Replace "laws" for basic primitive desires, like hunger or desire to sex. Forbid everyone from feeling these desires. Taboo the most primitive desire of all, one that every adult feels, and... presto. Religion is there. Not much different at all.

    7. Re:Real fugitives... by rickett81 · · Score: 1

      Real fugitives will get lazy. They may live undercover for a few weeks - but will gradually rejoin society in a place where they are less likely to be recognized. Hence the world wide scope of this project.

    8. Re:Real fugitives... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      She may have been right, but the problem I have with this is that she thought this was a good thing!

      --
      http://www.acetonestudio.com
    9. Re:Real fugitives... by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      Twitter for Intelligence agencies.

      @CIA Questioned 3 parties of interest on possible strike against California reservoirs. Members of fringe militia group Yeehaw4Christ
      @MI6 Moved against radical Islamist splinter cell in London. Terminated 3 hostiles. 2 in custody.
      @CSIS Massive poop today. Prime Minister asked for Froot Loops for breakfast. Sent Bob, cutting our manpower in half.

    10. Re:Real fugitives... by jedwidz · · Score: 1

      twat about them on twitter

      Oh dear... so I guess it's OK if you drug your mother through town and then twat about it for the whole world to hear.

      US English is a strange beast.

    11. Re:Real fugitives... by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      I guess you didn't hear about the kid in Florida walking home that was shot to death? Look up Trayvon Martin.

      --
      Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
    12. Re:Real fugitives... by vlm · · Score: 1

      Whoosh....

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  4. From what I've heard by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    The one in London should be easy. You won't even need to use your own camera, given that they're ubiquitous already.

    --
    #DeleteChrome
    1. Re:From what I've heard by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      The one in London should be easy. You won't even need to use your own camera, given that they're ubiquitous already.

      That's assuming you're a government official (or you're the family member of one) who has ready access to those feeds.

      In any case, it won't be a problem snapping any of those pictures given that those people actually want to be seen. This is after all, a cheap $5,000 publicity stunt, not an actual serious scientific investigation.

  5. Not worth it by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    At $5K, it's not worth it to even make an attempt unless you're able to leverage teams of people already in those locations and are in it for the glory. Plus, once you consider how large some of these cities are, you'll need something more than just your team on the ground doing the work. You'll either need some form of an automated or crowd-sourced system. If you're doing the latter, that means either hoping you can rope in hundreds or thousands of volunteers, or else posting ads in major media with bounties for information that leads to the targets. Either way, the cost far exceeds the reward.

  6. April 1st? by hort_wort · · Score: 1

    Sooooo the April Fool's Day joke is that there's not $5k, right?

    1. Re:April 1st? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      There is, but you get it in coupons for a cake store.

      --
      I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
  7. April.... by theNAM666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    >The first team to upload photographs of each of the five by noon eastern time on April 1 will win the competition--and with it, a ton of international glory...

    Yep. They'll forever be known as the April Fools!

  8. Lame. by blackicye · · Score: 1

    What kind of DARPA target challenge doesn't place targets in Asia and the Middle-East?

    Eastern Europe? Boooooring!

  9. facebook app? by schlachter · · Score: 1

    Will we soon have a Facebook app for this?
    Each morning when you log in to Facebook, you will see wanted fugitives in your area.
    If you spot them, report it, and prize money will filter down to you.
    Creepy.

    --
    My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
  10. Re:able to leverage teams of people by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Dear RIAA. Each of these people shared a Copyrighted Song."

    (Twelve minutes later)

    "Here are their GPS coordinates and matching photos. Here is your $5,000 fee for bringing this to our legal department's attention."

    --
    My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
  11. It just may be possible by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    If all the five targets look just like Guy Fawkes.

    --
    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
  12. Combine this with social engineering? by NoahsMyBro · · Score: 1

    I'd find it very amusing if somebody without accomplices around the globe somehow manages to deceptively manipulate people or agencies in the remote locations to help them solve this. For example, pull a Jim Rockford and through a phone call manage to get the local constabul in Bratislava to somehow capture and transmit the photo to the home-bound contestant.

    THAT would be very impressive.

  13. April Fool's by sexconker · · Score: 1

    "The first team to upload photographs of each of the five by noon eastern time on April 1 will win the competition"

    I bet they've all got red and white striped shirts and big ol' glasses and have names that are "Waldo".

  14. Not much of a point to it by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    I understand this challenge was invented by volunteers and not some official agency based on tax money, right? Hopefully it's just for fun, because I don't really understand the purpose of it.

    AFAIK already in the 80ies spy satellites were good enough to read newspapers. Even if that's not accurate I'd imagine with the process that technology has made it should be possible to automatically spot someone in real-time out of millions of people, as long as the sky is clear enough and the person occasionally looks up. Moreover, accessing the Internet, using a credit card or any other similar card once or using a cell phone should also suffice to locate a person. Heck, even NOT using the Internet seems to suffice for tracking someone down and sending a death squadron after him nowadays. (Not that I had any sympathies with the person in question.)

  15. i ain't a marchin' anymore by decora · · Score: 1

    Oh I marched to the battle of New Orleans
      At the end of the early British war
      The young land started growing
      The young blood started flowing
      But I ain't marchin' anymore

      For I've killed my share of Indians
      In a thousand different fights
      I was there at the Little Big Horn
      I heard many men lying I saw many more dying
      But I ain't marchin' anymore

      chorus)
      It's always the old to lead us to the war
      It's always the young to fall
      Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun
      Tell me is it worth it all

      For I stole California from the Mexican land
      Fought in the bloody Civil War
      Yes I even killed my brothers
      And so many others But I ain't marchin' anymore

      For I marched to the battles of the German trench
      In a war that was bound to end all wars
      Oh I must have killed a million men
      And now they want me back again
      But I ain't marchin' anymore

      (chorus)

      For I flew the final mission in the Japanese sky
      Set off the mighty mushroom roar
      When I saw the cities burning I knew that I was learning
      That I ain't marchin' anymore

      Now the labor leader's screamin'
      when they close the missile plants,
      United Fruit screams at the Cuban shore,
      Call it "Peace" or call it "Treason,"
      Call it "Love" or call it "Reason,"
      But I ain't marchin' any more,
      No I ain't marchin' any more

    -- phil ochs

  16. blew my mind by decora · · Score: 1

    i would hate to point out to ayn rand that capitalist systems do this just as well as communist systems.

  17. the CIA --did know--. read Shadow Factory by decora · · Score: 1

    by James Bamford, then go watch the PBS Frontline special ("Spy Factory") online, it's free.

    there are interviews with an FBI agent "on loan" to CIA working in CIA's Alec Station, who knew that al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi (Nawaf) had US Visas. He tried to tell FBI HQ, and the CIA told him not to. Ordered him not to.

    you are correct to say that it 'doesnt end up where it needs to go'... but WHY didn't it end up where it needed to go?

    "It's ultimately a social networking problem"

    that contradicts the evidence from the Alec Station situation. the CIA --actively prevented the FBI from knowning there were two terrorists in the US--. Why did this happen?

    We don't even know. Only recently, last year, did we find out the identities of the CIA managers of Alec Station - ten years after 9/11. Ten Years. It wasn't Congress and it wasn't even ordinary journalists who uncovered it, --- it was two guys in trucker hats who make independent documentaries.

    One of the main FBI men, John O'Neill, who was an expert on al qaeda and terror, was fired just before 9/11, because he did not fit into the bureaucracy properly. He was not a 'insane maverick', he was a highly competent professional agent. He was also hot on the heels of the terrorists just before he got fired. His mentee, Ali Soufan, has written an incredible book about their investigation of the Cole Bombing, and Soufans work after 9/11 to round up Al Qaeda leaders and interrogate them. O'Neill was basically fired, and Soufan was ridiculed for his agreeing to testify about the incompetence and stupidity of CIA interrogators (torturers) who interfered with his investigations after 9/11.

    When experts with high levels of competence like Soufan and O'Neill are disregarded and punished by the system in favor of incompetent sycophants, this is not a 'social networking problem'.

    none of the CIA people have been held accountable. Some of them were promoted. Bush people blame it all on Clinton, Clinton people blame it all on Bush. Nobody wants to get to the bottom of what really happened. I myself can't even bring myself to write a wikipedia article about the Alec Station people who did this screwup, it just is too mind boggling to contemplate, and their identities are technically classified anyways, even though they have been figured out by the blogosphere.

    All of this has nothing to do with a 'social networking problem'. it is about corruption and turf battles between politicians who lack ethics and morality.

    (and no, i am not a 9/11 conspiracy nut. i have never seen even a shred of evidence that would convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was an 'inside job').