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Blackboard Buys Moodlerooms and Netspot

crumley writes "Blackboard, the proprietary giant in the learning management software market, has purchased two companies, Moodlerooms and Netspot, that sell support for their open source competitor Moodle. Blackboard said that they plan to allow Moodlerooms and Netspot to continue operating with their current leadership. It will be interesting to see if this move leads to an exodus from Moodlerooms and Netspot, since many of their clients were intentionally trying to avoid doing business with Blackboard."

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  1. they can continue for now... by captbob2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blackboard's modus operandi is to purchase and kill. I expect they will do the same here. Try to kill-off support for Moodle since they can't kill Moodle directly..

    1. Re:they can continue for now... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Which is rather unfortunate, since I can say without exaggeration that Blackboard is probably the worst piece of modern software I've ever had to use. Moodle's certainly not perfect, but I've found it absolutely fine in general day-to-day use; Blackboard is slow, buggy, and has a web interface which manages to disable such revolutionary new browser features as 'the back button', and 'middle click'.

    2. Re:they can continue for now... by toadlife · · Score: 5, Funny

      Using Blackboard is bad enough, but to get the full effect, you should try administering it.

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    3. Re:they can continue for now... by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is 2012. I understand academia moves slowly but I certainly expect more of a services provider for education than horrendous table-based layout from 1997.

      While not the underlying technology, the landing page is the first thing potential (and, in many cases, existing) clients see and such antiquated structure would warn me away from such a provider. If companies like Netspot are the competition Blackboard can squash only through purchasing, Blackboard must be a really shitty company.

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    4. Re:they can continue for now... by jmerlin · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would be laughing at this comment if I had not been in that war myself. Unfortunately, I am now forever unclean.

      And it's not just Blackboard Learn. It's every piece of software they've ever written (I have a great deal of experience extending and supporting BBTS at every level, there were massive gaps in middleware that they didn't provide that I had to write myself). I'm quite convinced they design the software to be intentionally bad to secure service contracts (that are enormously expensive, indeed). Even something as simple as monitoring their services was a nightmare. The tools they provided almost always hung when opened. I had to reverse engineer the protocol they were using and write an app that would detect when a service was having problems and auto-restart it. One service would just kill itself if it got too many errors (as I was told by one of their engineers, it maintains a count of failed actions, if that count gets too high, the process either hangs or exits), and these errors were internal, not really "errors," and happened at a very rapid rate. I just can't comprehend that level of bad. Don't even get me started on the DB structure, the backup methods, nor the interfaces between the individual components and their 3rd-party bindings (which weren't well maintained). Holy shit, man. Holy shit.

      There were some bright people working there, unfortunately they have to support a monumental failure. I feel their pain.

    5. Re:they can continue for now... by toadlife · · Score: 2

      For awhile they shipped a buggy version of tomcat that could not close the threads it opened. This resulted in tomcat seizing after a week or so of being up.

      I spent two weeks troubleshooting this and was literally advised to "RTFM" by Blackboard support when I contacted them for help.

      The kicker? Blackboard was never even aware of the bug until after they accidentally fixed it by shipping an updated tomcat binary with a new release.

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  2. This isn't even funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every time our college escapes Blackboard and their horrendous technical support and technical staff they buy the company we moved to. Likewise, every time they buy the company we moved to, the technical support takes a noticeable nosedive. Our support people notice it, our staff notices it, it's just that obvious when it happens. We have to almost fight with them to get things done sometimes and the only thing they can manage to do with reasonable turnaround time is notify you of outages (caused, the majority of the time, at least for us, by their mistakes).

    1. Re:This isn't even funny. by Seta · · Score: 3

      Sorry to dig up bad memories. If I recall some of the latest issues we've had with them... they like to add servers to our server pools without notification or copying customizations. They also occasionally try to mis-represent the amount of used disk space, sometimes by tens of gigabytes, to try to get us to renegotiate our contract. Bug reports generally go unanswered for days and sometimes can span for weeks at a time only to be closed with "it's not a bug, it's a feature that can sometimes be used maliciously to compromise the integrity of your database" (obviously paraphrasing a bit). Relatedly, what's even less funny, is that I forgot to log in before posting that. Pretty sad that the first +5 informative I get is when I post anonymously. :(

    2. Re:This isn't even funny. by Math.sqrt(-1) · · Score: 2

      My institution is in the same boat. We were a WebCT school and then moved to ANGEL shortly after Blackbeard conquered, pillaged, and plundered WebCT. We'd been running ANGEL for a couple of years when, out of the blue, we found that ANGEL had been assimilated by Blackborg.

      Blackboard has a tendency to buy anything that appears to be making a positive change in the LMS market. Rather than purchasing these competitors and incorporating the innovations and enhancements into new products, they let the old product sit there as is, make money off of it, and provide occasional inconsequential "improvements" semi-annually (at best). Eventually, when they do release a new product, the "new" product is woefully incompatible with current and emerging web technologies. There is no foresight, no innovation, and no significant improvement in the quality of the product or the support services provided.

      Case in point, the fall 2011 release of ANGEL 8.0 introduced support for WebKit-based browsers. Prior to this time, students and faculty using Chrome, Safari, or other WebKit based browsers were screwed. It's one thing to force all our users to install IE or Firefox on their computers, but what do we do about mobile devices? Since mobile devices typically run WebKit based browsers, students (and faculty) can't adequately utilize their online courses from most mobile devices. So much for the iPad in the classroom.

      Then there's the Blackboard Mobile Learn app. It's free for iOS users (although it's sorely lacking in functionality) but Android users have to use a specific service provider (Sprint) in order to actually use the app.

      Combine these issues with Blackboard's propensity to purchase anything that looks anything like viable competition and you'll get a good idea of the state of distance education in the US. Next up, they'll probably purchase Instructure...

      Granted, Blackbeard's new acquisitions don't really have anything to do with everything I just said, but it gave me a chance to get up on my soapbox...

      </rant>

  3. GRAB THE CODE! by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2

    Moodle, even if it's in it's current state of code should make for a very usable open-source platform for a long time to come.

    1. Re:GRAB THE CODE! by fotbr · · Score: 5, Informative

      No need to. Blackboard only bought two companies that provided Moodle hosting.

      The code is fine. The Moodle organization is fine. The only thing that is happening is that schools are learning yet again why it's better to host it yourself than to outsource.

  4. Non-issue by BlastfireRS · · Score: 2

    It's not so much that clients are specifically avoiding Blackboard; schools and such are vastly under-funded, and given the choice between competent free software with smaller support costs and a proprietary LMS, why pay the premium? My university has been steadily moving courses from Blackboard to Moodle for that reason specifically.

    So long as the services and prices of these companies remain the same, I don't think clients are going to care who the owner is.

  5. "Learning management systems" by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have experienced three of these systems -- Blackboard, Sakai, and Banner -- and I have to say, I am not particularly impressed. Each one came with a phenomenal set of headaches, both for students and for professors/TAs.

    Ugly as they were, simple CGI scripts rolled by professors worked just as well and did not induce any further headaches (and usually had fewer issues). At my alma mater, they had a less aesthetically pleasing system for entering and viewing grades, but it worked -- you never had to go more than two levels of links deep to find what you wanted. Yet schools seem to constantly get rid of these home-grown solutions in favor of Blackboard 'n pals...why?

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    1. Re:"Learning management systems" by fallen1 · · Score: 2

      I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that Blackboard getting adopted by schools can be summed up in one word - kickbacks.

      Greed is good. Unless you actually want to educate your students, then it funnels money needed for local projects to big companies who are complete shit.

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    2. Re:"Learning management systems" by Acheron · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Yet schools seem to constantly get rid of these home-grown solutions in favor of Blackboard 'n pals...why?"

      Because of CYA support contracts. Executive university ITS staff hate the thought of having the buck stop with their department. By paying outrageous fees to these big players, they always have an out when things don't work - they can yell at someone at Blackboard.

      The linked article only mentions Moodle, but Blackboard also announced yesterday that they have hired Charles Severence, one of the founding architects of the Sakai project, in the role of "Chief Sakai Strategist", and also announced that they will provide hosted Moodle and Sakai installations. This is a major foray into the Open Source LMS world, and it's still to be seen whether it is an opportunity to keep relationships with non-Bb schools, or a razed-earth invasion of the OS support arena.

      As a side note, technically Banner isn't an LMS, it is a Student Information System (SIS): it goes rather deeper into the registration process than an LMS, and also acts as the HR system at most institutions that use it.

    3. Re:"Learning management systems" by 5KVGhost · · Score: 2

      Sometimes it is the headcount, and sometimes that's with good reason. It costs a lot more than a salary to keep a person on payroll, and the overhead for each employee is only getting higher. And it is genuinely risky for the institution and the students to rely on any proprietary system, home-grown or COTS, if there's really only one person who knows how it all works.

  6. Re:Interesting "solution" by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    To be honest, I have had better experiences with home-grown systems than with prepackaged software. My alma mater got rid of their home grown system in favor of Banner (by Sunguard) and it was a complete disaster, after having flirted with Blackboard (which was less of a disaster but still terribly annoying). My current school uses Sakai, and it is just awful compared to the CGI scripts that professors sometimes write.

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  7. Re:law firms.. by gabereiser · · Score: 2

    My favorite law firm name is Bogins Munns & Munns cause whenever I hear it, I think to myself Bogus Buns & Buns... lol

  8. Behold Libre-Moodlerooms by schrodingersGato · · Score: 2

    Looks like its time for someone to fork these projects!

  9. Both true by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blackboard is one of those products where the idea is great but the execution is horrible. Compared to having to maintain a website themselves, it is a huge step forward for teachers and students. It enables them to do things that most education IT departments didn't support before, like discussion forums and per-student access permission (for grades, feedback etc). Compared to just about any other popular webapp however, it is complete shit. It is like all those horrible intranet applications sold to business that are completely dependent on plugins just serve static content, require 7 clicks to do something that should require 2, have poor browser support, break when you do normal things like click the back button, and seems to get worse with each new release.

    1. Re:Both true by toadlife · · Score: 2

      One of the things I remember about Blackboard is the regular re-introduction of old bugs. Blackboard would fix a bug and the bug would come back a couple of releases later, at which point we would have to prove to Blackboard support that the bug had come back; because of course they had it in their head that they had fixed it. And of course, Blackboard would take several months to fix any bug that had any kind of workaround, even though many times the workarounds were completely unreasonable, like they IE7 compatibility workaround: 'disable every security feature of Internet Explorer 7'.

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    2. Re:Both true by ngg · · Score: 2

      break when you do normal things like click the back button, and seems to get worse with each new release.

      Yes, but after (how many years?) the latest release finally fixes the race condition that would delete an entire class's worth of grades if two teaching assistants (who teach, say, different lab sections for a single lecture section) dared to upload grades at the same time! The same release forces you to triple-click on a cell to enter a grade, but hey, we've almost advanced to 1960's-era databases!

      But in all seriousness, I don't know a single professor in the department who would use Blackboard if it weren't mandated for all courses by the university administration.

  10. Non-issue by berryjw · · Score: 2

    So, Blackboard acquired some firms supporting open source LMS. At most, they've inconvenienced the folks who have been using the services of the firms they purchased with needing to find new support. At least, they've acquired some new potential profit centers. And, if they do a poor job of managing them, or deliberately kill them, they will have succeeded in creating an opening for new firms supporting LMS. They can't impact the code or the knowledge base, and those people currently working for those firms always have the option of working elsewhere, like new start-ups. Come on people, a huge percentage of us got into this business, at least in part, because we didn't like how someone else was doing it, and knew we could do better ourselves. This is just another one of those opportunities ;-)

  11. Re:Not what I thought it would be by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Informative

    As a professor, I HATE blackboard. I use it to enter grades and post basic texts, and that's it. For every other use, it is absolutely awful. Example: I have a directory of files I want my students to have. I should be able to upload the directory itself, like every other ftp app has been able to do since the 1980s. But Blackboard? Nooooo. I have to create a directory, name it and check its attributes, and then set it into the Blackboard system, and then load each file to it individually. Or, I have to go and zip the files together, which assumes my students have unzipping software and that I have the time to zip the stuff up (As if I don't already have enough to keep me busy with bullshit). When I enter grades, out of 200+ students, at least one or two grades somehow get "undone". Its ugly, its clunky and completely retarded. I'm sure you are a nice guy, but I want your company to go out of business. Now.

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