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Lexta writes "So I'm contemplating my next smartphone purchase, and I've been a little put off by all of the security exploits posted on Slashdot over the last few months, particularly for Android. So, what's the most secure stock standard (not jailbroken) mobile OS?"

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  1. The Most Secure Mobile OS by MasterMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Both Android and iOS have been plagued with exploits. Android has tons of trojans, while iOS has remote exploits (most of those iPhone jail breaking methods are based on remote root exploits). The only current smartphone OS that is safe against exploits and vulnerabilities is Windows Phone 7. Microsoft has really improved their security within the last 5 years - even on the desktop Windows most exploits are against third party apps like Flash or Java, not Windows itself.

    So, if you want to get a smartphone that is safe against exploits and malware, Windows Phone 7 is your only answer. I would suggest some of the Nokia phones - people have been really happy with them.

    1. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by mhh91 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You'll be sacrificing the availability of tons of apps if you go with WP7 though.

    2. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is true for the same reasons that a decade ago Mac OSX was considered more secure than Windows. Its a function of install base. As soon as Windows Phone has 100's of million of users exploits will be published.

    3. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by MasterMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is true for the same reasons that a decade ago Mac OSX was considered more secure than Windows. Its a function of install base. As soon as Windows Phone has 100's of million of users exploits will be published.

      You mean Linux itself isn't better security wise either, it's just that the (desktop) market share is so low?

    4. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of the Android "trojans" are little more than apps which declare what they'll do up front and then do them. I'm not sure that counts as exploits.

    5. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Don't MS often complain that windows is only perceived as insecure because its ubiquitous and therefore commonly targeted, and that other systems only appear more secure because noone bothers to target a small marketshare...

      Surely then, the same applies to windows phone, it has a tiny marketshare and therefore very few people are interested in attacking it.

      Also worth noting, windows phone has a tiny market share period... Linux only has a tiny share on the desktop, its big in servers, supercomputers, embedded etc.

      The windows phone kernel is based on windows ce, which is inherently a single user os, im fairly sure that once you get down to it, the system is considerably less secure than android or ios, both of which are based on tried and tested multiuser kernels.

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    6. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Reapman · · Score: 2

      To be honest, the reason I feel that you see less exploits for Win7 Phones over iOS or Android is it's newer and has a MUCH smaller user base. Security through Obscurity. Assuming Win7 EVER breaks through, I expect to see more and more exploits / security issues for it as well.

      Want a secure Mobile OS? Start with the user. Don't install a ton of apps, verify the permissions (if viewable) it is requesting is in line with what the app actually does (sending text is fine if it's a texting app, not so fine if it's some Wallpaper app, ugh), and go from there.

      Look into those phones that run 2 OS's - one for "Work" (or Secure) and one for "Home" (or Play).

      BTW - I've ran Palm, iOS and Android phones, never had an exploit on either. In both cases I chalk that up to luck and not being an idiot with installing stuff.

    7. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by errandum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your argument is flawed for the same reason that people say macs are more secure than pc's.

      Just because something is not popular enough to attract attention (and btw, it was rooted not long after it was released, which in turn prompted microsoft to offer a legit way to do it), doesn't mean it is more secure.

      Android and iOS are victims to their popularity. On the other hand, BB handsets are, by design, extremely secure. Weird that you did not mention that.

    8. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      So, if you want to get a smartphone that is safe against exploits and malware, Windows Phone 7 is your only answer.

      On the contrary, wp7 lack of exploits probably has more to do with its lack of market penetration than anything else. I would go with Blackberry if security was my main criteria as it has sizable share and has been on the market long enough and in enough users hands to prove itself.

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    9. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by oakgrove · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean Linux itself isn't better security wise either, it's just that the (desktop) market share is so low?

      Linux has a total install base in the hundreds of millions on various types of computers from embedded to smartphones to desktops to servers to supercomputers. Saying it has a "small" market share is extremely disingenuous.

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    10. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Linux desktop market share is tiny, but Linux market share as a whole (embedded, supercomputers, servers, phones etc) is pretty high.

      Servers and supercomputers especially are high value targets, very attractive for hackers so there is considerable effort made to find vulnerabilities in linux. A 24/7 server on a high speed (full duplex) connection is far more useful for a hacker than a desktop connected to a typical end user connection with limited upstream bandwidth.

      Windows phone 7 only exists in one market, and its share of that is miniscule.

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    11. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Good question. Isn't Android a linux OS? Why does it have exploits then? (puzzled).

      Well nobody's hacked my phone because my phone is dumb. It makes calls & accepts texts, and that's about it. It's a Nokia "Shorty OS"

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    12. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's hard to exploit phones that are in shrink wrapped boxes on the store shelves.

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    13. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      How many unpatched remote exploits exist for Android vs the competition? When you have physical access to the device all bets are off no matter what OS is on it.

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    14. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by PhilHibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      But for hacker targets, particularly phishing or personal data theft which the submitter is probably concerned about, desktop market share is the important metric.

    15. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by PhilHibbs · · Score: 5, Informative

      Android may use the Linux kernel, but it isn't kernel exploits that are the main concern, it's app API exploits.

    16. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Both Android and iOS have been plagued with exploits."

      no, just the first mobile os you mention IS PLAGUED by exploits, while the second one NEVER WAS. the few exploits that have been found in ios (very, very small number) has been used to jailbreak ios only. there is currently not a single piece of malware that affects the non-jailbroken ios. and yes, everyone knows why this is the case, everyone knows the "freedom vs walled garden" arguments, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

    17. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Android has tons of trojans, while iOS has remote exploits (most of those iPhone jail breaking methods are based on remote root exploits).

      Wrong on both counts.

      IOS jailbreaks are based on LOCAL root exploits. You have to have it in hand to jailbreak it. There is no drive-by jailbreak available.

      Android Trojans might be found in dodgy third party app sites, but are quickly squashed in the Android Market (now called Google Play after one of the dumbest re-names in memory). Each Android app specifically tells you what permissions (data access, phone functions) it wants to use before it installs.

      (There are rumors that development is already underway to block apps from using certain permissions even if they do declare them, offering users a finer grained control.).

      If you want to be safe, you install only from Itunes, Android Market, Amazon Market, and a couple of other well trusted app market places. There is never a need for a newbie to run off and install from some web site, or root their phone.

      As for Windows Phone, who knows, because it simply is too small to attract any significant attention at this point. Given Microsoft's history of OS vulnerabilities you have to be a true believer to assume their new found religion of security is believable.

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    18. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by W2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not really true anymore. I've had a Lumia 800 since november and the only two things I'm really missing now is a native app for Google+ (though the mobile web version works fine) and something that can talk to the OBD2 Bluetooth dongle I have for my car. Not exactly your Angry Birds of smartphone apps. Also, a lot of the WP7 apps feel more polished than their Android versions. The Facebook app for instance.

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    19. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by carlhaagen · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Both Android and iOS have been plagued with exploits"
      "The only current smartphone OS that is safe against exploits and vulnerabilities is Windows Phone 7"
      "even on the desktop Windows most exploits are against third party apps like Flash or Java, not Windows itself"
      "if you want to get a smartphone that is safe against exploits and malware, Windows Phone 7 is your only answer"

      You have absolutely no idea what you're writing, do you? I'm amazed this got upvoted 5 points and labelled Informative.

    20. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by MasterMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      IOS jailbreaks are based on LOCAL root exploits. You have to have it in hand to jailbreak it. There is no drive-by jailbreak available.

      For years all that was needed to jailbreak iOS was just visiting a website. Those websites remotely exploited Safari and iOS to gain root access and jailbreak the phone. The same exploits work for malware too.

    21. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have absolutely no idea what you're writing, do you? I'm amazed this got upvoted 5 points and labelled Informative.

      You're amazed that a first post paste job praising MS and disparaging their competitors got modded to +5 almost immediately on Slashdot? You haven't been paying attention.

    22. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've had a Lumia 800 since november and the only two things I'm really missing now is a native app for Google+ (though the mobile web version works fine) and something that can talk to the OBD2 Bluetooth dongle I have for my car.

      If you want a secure phone and want it to be from Nokia, then try the Nokia N9. It's a charm, in countries where it's available (yes for Australia, Finland, Italy, Sweden, etc. but not for USA, UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, etc.).

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    23. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by dc29A · · Score: 2

      Wrong on both counts.

      IOS jailbreaks are based on LOCAL root exploits. You have to have it in hand to jailbreak it. There is no drive-by jailbreak available.

      ORLY? The most popular jailbreak exploits were simply something like downloading a malformed PDF file. That is something that can be easily converted into 'drive by'.

    24. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      True exploits against OS are rare now a days.

      This isn't true at all. It's just that there are so many more exploits via trojans OS exploits aren't getting as much press. But that doesn't mean that new ones aren't discovered everyday because they are.

      And no, repositories on Linux wouldn't solve this problem. If Linux had the market share, there would need to be a way to install programs and games from other than the distro repos. Such system works fine for servers and small amount of geeks who use Linux on desktop, but on large scale it doesn't work. Even most FOSS people are actually against this model - just look at the "walled garden" comments against iOS and WP7 on Slashdot.

      This is pure unsubstantiated sophistry.

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    25. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most of the malware I've seen on my android phone is in the form of apps that leak my phone ID and phone number (apparently only vaguely alluded to in the 'Phone Calls' permission as 'identity').

      What REALLY pisses me off is that not only does app I paid for do this, but it somehow self-cripples if I fix it with Privacy Blocker, and the devs had the brass to say in the comments that it doesn't do it.

      The app in question is EzPDF, btw. Since my only recourse is to leave them a crap rating and look for a new PDF reader, I'm doing that, but it still pisses me off, especially since I was recommending it for awhile.

    26. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by airdweller · · Score: 2

      "Windows architecture is actually more secure than the macs."
      Seriously?

      No, seriously?!

    27. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Certainly. Would you want a building made out of windows, or one made out of hamburgers?

      Come on, this is easy!

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    28. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by rwven · · Score: 2

      Do you have the latest version? I've got it and it's not bad at all. The interface is great. The only complaint is the confusing lack of any kind of push notifications...

    29. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by rwven · · Score: 2

      It's still kinda true... The WP7 versions of apps are mostly inferior to their iOS/Android alternatives. There are also several key apps still missing that have some poor quality third party alternatives... (Pandora, Linkedin, I'm looking at you.)

    30. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by W2k · · Score: 2

      Strange, I seem to have no trouble receiving mail while I'm doing other things on my WP7. Perhaps because the "extremely limited means" are actually quite sufficient. I believe limiting multitasking a bit is a tradeoff for better battery life, and that's certainly fine by me. Apps like navigation and music players (Spotify, Nokia Music) seem to have no trouble whatsoever with me switching to a different app and back. The web browser dutifully remembers which tabs I had open. So no, not a big deal at all. The Skype limitation I believe is a beta issue.

      C/C++ support is probably coming eventually but - are you kidding me? Lack of a Java runtime an impediment? C# is by far a nicer language to program in, and is instantly accessible to any Java developer (being basically Java++ by design). Lack of Java support doesn't seem to have particularly hurt Apple in their quest for global mobile domination. The only possible use I can see for Java on WP7 would be to make porting of Android apps easier but they would feel right out of place on WP7 anyway since it has a very different UI.

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    31. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by mckillnm · · Score: 2

      I'll second the N9.. A great phone! (had a N900 before). Eco-system is small, but that may not be a problem as there is less sh1t to download!

    32. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Windows "security features" are more theatre than anything else...
      A someone who has conducted penetration tests against lots of networks, most of which were windows based, its pretty trivial to bypass pretty much all of these "security features" you talk about.

      The vast majority of companies operate on the idea that people inside are trusted, while the external firewall provides the sole line of protection, so the vast majority of the windows services are hidden away from the outside. Of course this all breaks down very badly if someone malicious gets inside.

      Those IT departments generally have no knowledge of anything other than windows, and have a fear of the unknown.

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    33. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Default windows install still has ports 445, 135, 139 open by default (even if they encourage you to hide them behind a firewall - a kludge at best)...
      Default linux install has nothing open, you have to explicitly install SSH on most desktop oriented distros.

      Linux has a repository from which to install software, while windows encourages users to download and run arbitrary binaries.

      Windows has things like stack randomization and non executable pages, but so does linux and has done for much longer.

      Windows uses file extensions to identify file types, and hides them by default, making social engineering attacks more likely (nude_girl.jpg.exe !), on windows simply downloading a file which has a name ending in .exe makes it executable, whereas on linux you require an additional step.

      Windows has a lot of "security features", but a lot of them are pure theatre and do little or nothing to actually improve security...
      Take group policy "folder restrictions" for instance, designed to prevent you browsing certain areas of the filesystem (eg the windows dir, or the root of the hd), and sure enough if you type c:\ into explorer you will get an error... But what if you open a subdir (eg browse the temporary internet files dir using the option within the ie settings), and then keep hitting the up option... Also you can bypass these restrictions by using a program that doesn't use the standard explorer file selection dialogs (eg a command prompt)...
      Linux doesnt have "features" like these because they are pointless, if you want to prevent users from accessing a given area you need to use file permissions.

      There are plenty more examples like this, of "features" that look good on paper, but in reality provide no benefit and are easily circumvented anyway.
      Things like this generally exist for shallow reviews, and security certification checklists, where the presence of an explicit feature gives you a tick in the box and the certification/review is not in depth enough to verify it properly.

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    34. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by errandum · · Score: 2

      See the quotes. Independent contractors also verify this.

      I happen to own a MBP and I love OS X. But I'm also not blind. Lots of facts there to entertain anyone.

    35. Re:The Most Secure Mobile OS by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Although the number of iPhone apps is amazing, the limited number of apps is the least of Windows phone's problems. With both my Androids and N900 I got most of what I needed and I've always been able to show off to iPhone people if needed. It's worth reading between the lines of Andrew Orlowski's Lumia 700 review. Remember that he's a total Microsoft Fanboi but even so, he often makes pretty perceptive comments such as the ones about fonts. The key thing is to realise that Windows Phone is designed to look good in the shop, but hasn't actually been designed to work. The terrible battery life and design make a phone you can't actually use properly. Think of tiles for example; about 8-10 fit on a screen where normally you would have 20-25 icons. This is great for display and selling where almost no apps have been installed and you are just learning which are which. Five months down the line, when you have 150-200 apps, it suddenly doesn't seem like a good trade off.

      This general trade off of actual functionality for things which sell Microsoft products goes on through the design and brings us straight back to the topic; security. For example: your contacts in a Windows Phone are entirely stored on your online service, almost certainly Facebook unless you change it yourself. By design, there's no private place to store contacts you don't want shared. The first question with security is not "is this implementation done right". The real question is "who is this working for". This same user hostile attitude continues through the DRM implemenaton

      When Microsoft sets up something equivalent to the Data Liberation Front, then we will be able to talk about Windows Phone as a secure operating system. Not a day before.

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  2. BB by errandum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    RIM's OS, especially due to the way they handle communications, is by far (as far as I know) the most secure OS. And neither iOS nor Android look particularly secure to me, since every other week you see some news of them getting exploited.

    1. Re:BB by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      "due to the way they handle communications"? you mean by a central failpoint and by bb owned servers to which they will gladly give the keys for any government?

      if the dude wants a smartphone with security and choice.. go symbian, bitch to do things even if you want to, very few rom versions with jailbreaks(equivalent). or windows phone. or just some bog standard j2me phone. they'd fit the smartphone standard of couple of years ago. they fit the "smartphone" description just as well as windows phone actually and there's not much to root(there is of course and there are some exploits for some j2me phones which let you execute code out of the vm, but that's very, very exotic and very few models with anything published and generally not worth it for blanket approach hackers).

      the android "exploits" are mostly local access though, or installing things you give permission to do things. if you go custom rom you can turn capabilities on/off for a program, which is useful if you intend to use that smartphone for something still. mobile webkit and mobile safari don't look particularly secure though(especially mobile safari).

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    2. Re:BB by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 2

      RIM doesn't give out the keys, they give out the message, so if large governments like the Indian government are unable to crack the messages, then it's unlikely thieves are able to crack them.

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  3. Re:-1 Flamebait by Bucky24 · · Score: 4, Informative

    We need a way to moderate articles.

    It's called the Firehose.

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  4. Re:Pen and paper by phayes · · Score: 2

    Thanks for the LOL, only someone completely ignorant of the history of cryptology could state that pen/paper have never been broken.

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  5. Symbian? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Normally I'd otherwise shit all over symbian, but, why not Symbian? Years on the market, it should've been proven one way or the other by now.

    Also, what level of paranoia are we talking? State or industry secrets? Personal paranoia?

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    1. Re:Symbian? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Also, what level of paranoia are we talking? State or industry secrets? Personal paranoia?

      Exactly this.

      Are you worried about some random app stealing your contacts? Easy - don't install random apps.
      Are you worried about somebody tracking you with your GPS / wifi trangulation / whatever? Easy - get a dumbphone. Turn it off most time. Or get a radio.
      Are you worried about the NSA picking up on your conversations with your co conspirators in an effort to blow up Wall Street? A bit harder. Get a one time pad. Get rid of that FBI informant in your cell (yes, that one).

      This isn't hard, folks.

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  6. Mutually exclusive by rtkluttz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it is not jailbroken it is DEFINITELY not secure. With carrier spyware and apps that are not under your control, the first step to security is making it YOURS and yours alone.

    Once you are to that point, then you can BEGIN evaluating the core OS for security.

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  7. Whats your threat model? by nweaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is your threat model? Do you use it for websurfing? Download lots of kewl apps? For the latter, from which app store?

    I suspect that iOS is a bit more vulnerable on the web browser side, as android has a fair bit better sandboxing which means an exploit of the browser takes more work to fully p0wn the phone, while in iOS-land, 'p0wn the brower == p0wn the phone'

    But OTOH, Apple is a much better curator: with only the official App store, and with bad-actor app-developers and apps a rarity, the Apple App Store is very safe.

    Android? Not so much. Even the official Google store seems to rely too much on the Android sandboxing to keep users safe (when users just say 'ok' to anything needing scary permissions), and other App Stores are a vile abomination.

    Finally, anything that doesn't say "Nexus" on it should be considered end-of-lifed before you buy it. Apple patches things for a long time, so old vulnerabilites shouldn't worry their user base. But Android phones, since they are pretty much EOL'ed right from the start, often never receive critical browser and related security patches, security patches which, due to the open nature, can pretty much be reverse engineered by a competent exploit developer.

    So, my ranking: Nexus Phone > (slightly) iPhone >>> generic "Android" phone

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  8. Let history be your guide by jamesl · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was a time when the most secure (consumer) desktop OS was the Mac -- because there were so few in service that the bad guys spent all their time and effort on Windows. By that measure, the most secure mobile environment is Windows Phone 7.

    1. Re:Let history be your guide by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference between safety and security, which you appear to have conflated. You can have an unlocked house that's wide open in a low-crime area and likely be safe without being secure. You can have a locked house with bars on the windows in a high-crime area and be secure without necessarily being safe.

      Safety is what we all want. For someone using a popular device/OS/whatever, you have to rely on security since other factors (i.e. obscurity) will not protect you. If you're a valuable target, it doesn't matter what device/OS you're using, you'll still need to be secure because you are likely to be targeted. Thus, obscurity is not a viable measure of protection.

  9. Re:No answer for you by narcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A corporate-based phone (Blackberry) is going to make corporate security more of a priority than usability

    I haven't noticed any problems with usability. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Security doesn't "get in the way" at all on the platform.

  10. It exists, but you can't have it... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

    Since TFS was probably submitted by someone in the US, we can only reluctantly recommend the phone he is not allowed to have. Nokia decided not to embarrass their Lumia models in the USA, UK, Japan, Germany by releasing the N9 in competition.

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  11. Objectivity by Caerdwyn · · Score: 2

    Yeah, like you're going to get an objective answer here. Slashdot doesn't have experts. It has OS bigots.

    That being said, the most secure mobile OS is the one on the phone operated by someone who doesn't install ad-supported "free" apps, who password-protects the phone, doesn't load pirated software, and who enables remote wipe/locate-my-phone functionality.

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  12. Fishbowl (NSA's Android project) by Qubit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/01/nsa-builds-own-model-of-android-phone-wants-you-to-do-the-same/

    Okay, so it's only off-the-shelf parts, but if you really want a mobile device that can earn the label "secure," (software ain't a thing w/o hardware) you're probably going to want something vetted by a security organization/company like....well...the NSA.

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  13. don't worry... by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 2

    "put off by all of the security exploits posted on Slashdot over the last few months, particularly for Android" Funny you should single out Android because IOS has also had plenty of exploits and security holes despite (or maybe because of) Apple's walled-garden approach to software development, vetting, etc. I know this for a fact...I wrote a research paper on it.

  14. Want real security? Get an N900 or an N9 by jdb2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The N900 and N9 are full blown Unix/Linux machines with all the bells and whistles that come with a non-neutered version of the GNU/Linux environment.

    That being said, they support many Unix/Linux security mechanisms, but if you want proof, how about full disk encryption for starters?

    jdb2

  15. Custom mil-grade Android kernel by BillX · · Score: 2

    I hear this custom Android build is pretty secure, if you can get your hands on it of course.

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