Slashdot Mirror


Ask Slashdot: How To Feed Africa?

gbrumfiel writes "Africa has some of the poorest soil of anywhere on the earth, and over farming is only making matters worse. As the population grows, governments and NGOs must decide whether to subsidize chemical fertilizers like those used in the west or promote more sustainable agricultural practices. In Malawi, the government has decided to subsidize fertilizers, with impressive results. Corn yields have tripled since the subsidies were introduced. More sustainable practices, such as fertilizer trees can't deliver those kind of results in just a few years. The question is simple: does Africa follow the same, unsustainable road as the rest of the world? Or do they become a testing ground for potentially game-changing new techniques? OR is there a third path? Discuss."

57 of 592 comments (clear)

  1. Stopped reading at... by gentryx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Africa has some of the poorest soils anywhere on the earth". Such a generic statement about a whole continent which contains huge portions of tropical rainforest and grassland is just wrong.

    --
    Computer simulation made easy -- LibGeoDecomp
    1. Re:Stopped reading at... by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nevertheless, Africa is a whole continent. It has plenty of good farmland. Look at the US, most of it is "some of the poorest soil on earth." But the reality is you can still do a lot with it, using conventional farming techniques.

    2. Re:Stopped reading at... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      All of this reminds me of the bogus, misplaced effort of the Toms Shoes variety. You know - the guy who's margin on cheaply made shoes is so high, he donates a pair for African charity, for every pair your daughter buys in the Westfield Centre.

      Put your factory there! Employ Africans, and use the charity-profits to train local entreperneurship to become your next competitor! Teach a man to fish, fer godsake!

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:Stopped reading at... by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Technically the statement is (or can be) true. There's no reason Africa couldn't have "some of the poorest" AND "some of the richest" soils at the same time.

      A lot of Africa has poor soil, and a lot of the more fertile areas are rainforests which we wouldn't want to advocate burning to the ground to turn into farmland. Africa also has more than a billion people to feed. So the question is still a reasonably valid one- how do you turn the large expanses of infertile wasteland into productive arable land?

    4. Re:Stopped reading at... by intok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Traditional farming techniques like tons of nitrite fertilizer and fresh water piped in from far off places? Thats not an option and it wasn't for allot of The Midwest during the 30's, look up the Dustbowl and how wind erosion destroyed allot of farmland here in the US and how it's destroying parts of China today. In many places there simply isn't enough water in the aquifers to just start pumping it out as 10 years down the line the region will have desertification due to all of the water that was trapped in the ground being sent downstream.

    5. Re:Stopped reading at... by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Newsflash. Rainforest is terrible soil.

      Newsflash. Africa is suffering desertification, and the grasslands are mostly deep sand.

      Here is what africa needs to do:

      Healthy, fertile arable soil is about 50 parts clay, 20 parts sand, and 30 parts organic sponge. The types of clay in the 50% clay figure are important.

      Parts of africa are loaded with clay and organic sponge. Parts of africa are loaded with sand.

      Get the african nations to stop fighting each other over tarot roots, and get them to ship dirt to each other.

      We have the technology to do this. It isn't hard. The benefits greatly outweigh the costs over time. Chemical fertilizers do not solve the soil nutrition and arability problems. Pouring miracle grow on sand won't help you for long.

      Trade big shipments of river silt (organic sponge), heavy clay, and washed sand. Plow it into unproductive fields that are suffering deficits.

      Watch shit fucking grow.

    6. Re:Stopped reading at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Glaciers made the north fertile which the south largely lacked. They ground up mountains then dropped the minerals in the flatlands when the glaciers melted. Rock dust is an established way to make ground fertile but they don't line the pockets of oil companies so they are largely ignored. A combination of things like rock dust and kelp would make the ground fertile yet oddly aren't even discussed. The other factor is water which all the oil based fertilizers in the world won't change. One of the benefits to rock dust over oil based fertilizers is it actually restores lost minerals. In our society if it doesn't line the pockets of the rich we loose interest fast. Africa has large amounts of volcanic as well as other forms of rock that can be turned into fertilizer. It also has a massive amount of coastline that could be used to harvest kelp and other ocean based forms of fertilizer. There are a lot of fishermen yet why aren't they encouraged to use bi-catch, worthless fish, as fertilizer? Anything not sold is discarded when it could be fertilizing poor soil. All that is lacking is the will to use things that don't make the rich richer.

      Here are a few articles.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockdust

      http://www.rock-dust.co.za/

    7. Re:Stopped reading at... by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interestingly, (and I know this is somewhat tangential to the point you were making), and surprisingly, rainforests often have quite poor soil.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    8. Re:Stopped reading at... by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While your solution for soil improvement may be technically correct (though you need lots and lots of shiploads of dirt to make it work), it's commercially impossible.

      The Africans themselves don't have money. Well not entirely true, there is a lot of money, but all in the hands of a few people who are not interested in sharing any of it. Subsidising such activities is difficult, as it's hard to prevent the money to end up in the wrong hands (i.e. those with a lot of money already, and only eager to get more).

      Finally, most Africancs are hungry RIGHT NOW. So they want food on the table RIGHT NOW. An instant solution is needed to solve that issue; only when they are fed RIGHT NOW they will be interested in thinking about being fed tomorrow, next week and next year. Artificial fertiliser can solve that part of the problem, but will need a more longer-term strategy to follow up.

    9. Re:Stopped reading at... by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with quick easy fixes, is that people use them, then abuse them, and treat them like permanent ones.

      We nerds in IT should be well aware of this by now. How many "temporary fixes" have your employers twisted into permanent ones?

      Same thing here. There is money to be made. LOTS of money to be made, by *NOT* properly improving the soil. Shafting starving vllagers for miracle grow while the soil's mineral content dries up, leaving them with soil that won't even grow weeds in the rainy season is *VERY* profitable.

      That is why it must be avoided, and done right, if you really want the african people to not suffer.

    10. Re:Stopped reading at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree. I grew up in Africa. The problem is the governments, or rather dictators. For example, Zimbabwe (cough), COULD feed the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa. It has superbly rich soil, enough water, good rainfall. Yet the silly West have to prop it up as its 10 million inmates are starving. "aid" money hardly ever reaches its intended audience - 99.99% gets gobbled up by government officials, bribes, etc. It is simple the way of Africa. They think differently, no matter how much BS the Greens and Liberals tell you - people in the 3rd world do NOT think or act like YOU.

    11. Re:Stopped reading at... by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Better yet, get us internet at a speed and price competitive with the US.

      Knowledge is power, we can't even get sufficient 10th, 11th and 12th grade school books this year. (Pemba, Mozambique).

    12. Re:Stopped reading at... by hairyfish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Get the african nations to stop fighting each other

      Impossible. I was to going make some comments about the situation there but everything I wrote sounded racist. How do you address the fact that seems to be a clear pattern of behaviour in that continent that doesn't look like it will ever be solved while the locals are in charge?

    13. Re:Stopped reading at... by eggstasy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't get it. Imagine setting up a factory in a place without a stable power or water supply, decent roads, large enough ports, with a corrupt dictatorship, tribal warlords, gigantic wildlife and weird tropical diseases.
      It's slowly getting better in some places, but Africa is not ours to fix. We could build them roads, but how do we get our money back, tolls? They don't have enough cars for that. We could lend them money to build roads but it would be squandered by corrupt politicians who would default on the debt.
      It really has to be solved by them (think Arab Spring), unless you want to colonize the place again and develop it for your own people to use.
      Like I said, it's getting better in Angola, for instance, and all they had to do was to stop fighting their silly guerrillas and get a stable government. They're attracting lots of international investment nowadays.

    14. Re:Stopped reading at... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine setting up a factory in a place without a stable power or water supply, decent roads, large enough ports, with a corrupt dictatorship, tribal warlords, gigantic wildlife and weird tropical diseases - Florida?

      --
      Puteulanus fenestra mortis
    15. Re:Stopped reading at... by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Better is to provide them with food while they do the improvements. This way they don't become complacent and misuse chemical fertilizers as some kind of magic bullet.

      Agreed that they need to eat now. Disagree that introducing them to liquid fertilizers that cause collateral soil damage is the best temporary solution.

    16. Re:Stopped reading at... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Subsidising such activities is difficult, as it's hard to prevent the money to end up in the wrong hands (i.e. those with a lot of money already, and only eager to get more).

      That's why talking about food is useless. It isn't about insufficient food, but poor distribution of food.

    17. Re:Stopped reading at... by sjames · · Score: 3, Funny

      Eat the rich!

    18. Re:Stopped reading at... by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      to become your next competitor!

      And there you have it. The plain and simple reason why that is NOT happening and the plain and simple reason why the west is pressing on Africa to not use the same farming methods the west is using. We'd all like Africans not to starve, but only so they can be our customers. Teaching a man to fish sounds like a good idea until they fish well enough so they can undercut our own fishing industry. I'm not saying I agree with this, but it seems to be the reality for most charity money.

      --
      Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
    19. Re:Stopped reading at... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So the USA is a third the size, with a third the population, but they are more than 3x richer ...the real issue

      Funny thing about "richer" - It only matters when participating in a larger economy, not when subsistence farming.

      Case in point, look at how the US's Great Depression affected varying regions of the country in radically different ways - The wealthy coastal cities, whose economies and interests had largely separated from agriculture, suffered horribly; Rural farming communities, by contrast, barely noticed anything had changed (and despite the ever-popular fairy-tale about the evil bankers foreclosing on the poor ignorant farmer, at the peak of the Great Depression they suffered a mere one tenth of the foreclosure rate we experienced just two years ago).


      So whether or not Africa has money only influences whether or not they can opt for our modern pathological approach to every problem - Buy their way out by importing expensive resources from "somewhere else". Problem with that approach, eventually you run out of money or somewhere-elses to exploit.

    20. Re:Stopped reading at... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was to going make some comments about the situation there but everything I wrote sounded racist. How do you address the fact that seems to be a clear pattern of behaviour in that continent that doesn't look like it will ever be solved while the locals are in charge?

      Race != Culture.

      You want to solve Africa's problems? Take the damned place over and set up a modern Western-style central government.

      Gee, does that sound a bit too much like colonialism? Hey, guess what, Africa's colonial period counts as the only part of its history (post-Egypt, itself an exception due to the Nile and Mediterranean) where it had any meaningful level of economic output. You might argue that it only managed that by exploiting the local populations... But, if others can make money exploiting you, you can "exploit" yourself for the same gain!

      Quit fighting each other over petty crap, clean up the water, focus on better using what resources you have (Yes, parts of Africa has some of the worst soil in the world - It also has enough arable land to feed its entire population with plenty of room for growth), and join the modern world. On the flip side of that, when you regularly make the "look, point, and laugh" headlines for burning witches over stealing your penises... Not a sign of good things to come.

    21. Re:Stopped reading at... by petman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why argue about the soil? It's a red herring, if you ask me. You can find crops for any type of soil, even pure sand. The real problem is fresh water.

    22. Re:Stopped reading at... by makomk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A lot of Africa has poor soil, and a lot of the more fertile areas are rainforests which we wouldn't want to advocate burning to the ground to turn into farmland.

      The rainforests apparently have really bad soil too actually - there's a thin, slightly more fertile surface layer that's bound in place by the trees and that's it, and once the trees are gone the soil rapidly becomes useless for farming.

    23. Re:Stopped reading at... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      OTOH: China turned the loess plataue from a moonscape into one of the largest apple producving regions in the world in under 20yrs. The area is about the size of France and was previuously known as "the most erroded place on Earth". Changing the locals from goat hearders using state land into government sanctioned property owners was a key ingredient to the success, as was the Chinese government's desire to stop millions of tons of silt filling up the three gorges dam. However one of my favorite good news stories about rehabilitating an area is a ted talk on How to grow a rainforest.

      So my take home from these examples is that it CAN be done if the problem is viewed in a scientific manner with a heavy emphasis on imporoving the material lives of the locals by assisting them with high tech analysis on how to optimize and maintain the benifits of their natural resources given their real world technological and infrastructure constraints. Giving peseants a chunk of land on the proviso they stick to the basic tenents of the project is a fantastic motivator.

      Interestingly the area was once a natural 'paradise' where Chinese civilization first arose ~10kya, but by the middle ages it was a man made wasteland that forced the main population to largely abandon the area to goat hearders who have inadvertently kept it from regenerating for the last 1000yrs. All they really had to do was plant trees in the right places and stop mowing every new shoot down with hungry goats but when people have been doing the same thing for 1000yrs it's very difficult to convince them that there might be a better way to use what they have.

      Be they good or bad (cultural revolution), such long term socio-economic projects cannot be done without a stable government, which is a huge problem in Africa. In the case of the loess plateau it was a joint project between China and the IMF, the $500M was well spent from what I've seen.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    24. Re:Stopped reading at... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Want to help fix that? Stop buying Fairtrade products from Africa. Growing export crops (often ones that require a lot of water) takes farmland away from growing food for local consumption, which pushes the price up beyond the reach of the poorest people. I suppose this helps to address the population problem, but not in a particularly humane way.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    25. Re:Stopped reading at... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Reduced food production

      Not just that. Initiatives like Fairtrade have made a lot of farmers shift from growing food for local consumption to growing things like roses and coffee for export. Guaranteeing a price above the market value of these crops made them a lot more lucrative.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    26. Re:Stopped reading at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's what has always baffled me about slavery. When you look at scale, raw numbers or treatment of slaves, the Arabs were far, far worse than the worst Americans ever were. Well, not arabs, really. Muslims. Slavery was never committed on the scale muslims did it before, and the scrapping of the legal concept of slavery from most (not all) muslim countries' law very nearly totally eradicated slavery, of course only in a superficial sense. In real terms, slavery exists in lots of moder muslim-majority nations (in the form of decades-long "employment" contracts that can't be broken under law by the employee and can be sold between employers. These contracts don't allow the "employee" to choose his/her own housing either, for example). Furthermore, slavery is a fundamental and "holy" part of islam, and those who believe that countries like Saudi Arabia or Egypt or Morocco don't have slavery need to visit them. When it comes to the word "slavery", that has been stricken from their laws (not entirely, as for example it is referenced in the laws about adultery : you are free to rape female slaves, maim them or do whatever you want to them in muslim countries), in practice, what little economy there is essentially runs on slavery*.

      * that does not, in all cases, means the "slaves" are unhappy about that, at all. Like in the Roman Empire, the only way to be a tradesman in parts of Saudi Arabia is to be bound by such a contract. If not, you can't be a programmer, or architect. But of course, the people working outside in the hot sun are the same. Not all slaves are unhappy, and in fact even under the very ill treated slaves many appreciate the certainty that being one of a huge number of slaves provides, which is really another way of saying they've got zero alternatives and are aware of this. Yes, really. I know how it sounds, but really, you should talk to a few of these people. Make sure that you don't have any muslims, especially not local muslims, nearby when you do this in a place like Dubai or Abu Dhabi.

      (though the question can be made very general indeed. Islam means living according to sharia, and that's pretty much the only thing it means. How can this abomination possibly be allowed ? Are you free to impose slavery ? Free to kill for religious reasons ? Free to have racist purchasing habits for "halal" meat ? Free to advocate religious war, support it financially ? Apparently the modern answer is yes. WTF ?)

      There's also the tiny matter that the entirety of Northern Africa has been stolen from it's original inhabitants, just like America (and just like Asia Minor and it's wide surroundings, Indonesia and several other places). There's one difference, I guess, unlike native Americans and imported African slaves, most native peoples who lived in Northern Africa are extinct because of the contest and the constant toll of slavery, and have no descendants.

      And of course, when it comes to America's slaves ... Americans, nor Dutchmen, ever kidnapped people from native African villages. They bought them off of muslims, and exported them. The great schism of protestantism occured at least partly because the Pope thought this cheating. Although it's not like protestants were ever really in favor of it, but they did tolerate it for a while. The issue is that Catholics never tolerated it, and thorougly made sure of this (by regularly executing ship's captains who had bought slaves of muslims in Northern Africa and didn't spontaneously free them, for example in Nice).

      Furthermore, slavery was imposed upon most of Africa for the better part of a millenium by muslims (not necessarily arabs, or perhaps better, not arabs everywhere), far, far longer than anywhere else on the planet.

      And lastly, nobody in America seriously considers reintroducing slavery, when there's plenty of muslims bent on doing exactly that. Even if you put aside the people who "just want to live by sharia" and re-introduce slavery that way (plenty of those ev

    27. Re:Stopped reading at... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many "temporary fixes" have your employers twisted into permanent ones?

      Hence one of my laws of IT: There ain't no such thing as a "temporary solution" - if it works, it becomes permanent. If it doesn't work, it's not a solution.

      --
      I am officially gone from /. Long live http://www.soylentnews.com/
    28. Re:Stopped reading at... by sonoftheright · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MFW Ghana, Eritrea are amongst the fastest growing real GDPs in the world. "Quit fighting"? "Join the modern world"? Most of the stunted growth everyone is referring to here is due to an overabundance of liquid assets - food, money, medication - being reappropriated by force and placed into the hands of oppressors; the individuals stuck in these sustained power vacuums can't help but face the problems of the here and now. Their only thought is to see the next sunrise. While in that state, they have no luxury to educate themselves or produce goods to compete, let alone innovate. Trade the subsidies and all forms of monetary aid for micro-loaning schemes meant to support individuals and individual small businesses, and you will give locals an alternative to the force-driven monopoly that is sustainable and promotes growth. Starve the cancerous militia and the people will have the motivation and the inspiration to provide alternatives.

    29. Re:Stopped reading at... by mdarksbane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aid money is destroying Africa. There's no need to work on a functioning social or government organizations when you can stay in power perfectly well just off of what's getting shipped to you from the West.

      Most government budgets in Africa treat aid as a core part of their income - some as much as 50%. They don't use it to cover short term shortfalls, they expand spending to use everything. And these are the governments that are actually using the money and not just pocketing it.

      "We" (we being the west) cannot fix Africa short of turning it into east Carolina. They need to come up with their own functional modes of government and funding, whatever those are, on their own. The people have no chance when their local tinpot dictators are being propped up by someone with 100x their power and economy.

    30. Re:Stopped reading at... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Vast farming fields - don't need 'em. Let each family work their backyard.

      Chairman Mao? I thought you were dead!

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    31. Re:Stopped reading at... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This Anonymous Coward makes two very good points. There have been several studies that show that the basis for a society becoming more wealthy from top to bottom is having a government based on rule of law where the laws change slowly and apply mostly the same to everyone from top to bottom. An additional factor to that is that property has clear title and the mechanism for transferring ownership of land from one person to another is relatively easy to execute. Both of these situations are deteriorating in the U.S. and that deterioration is playing a significant role in our current economic problems.

      The second point he makes sounds racist the way he stated it, but it is not necessarily so (I do not know if he meant it in a racist way or not). He is correct that most people in 3rd world countries do not think or act like people in developed nations. This is not biological. It is not a product of their "race". It is cultural. They have learned to think the way they do because that is how things work in the countries they live in. They can learn to think and act differently. Of course, this does not mean that there are no aspects about the way that people in developing nations think that would improve the lives of those in developed nations were to learn to think that way.
      I have worked with an organization that works with the extremely poor in several developing nations. It was amazing to see what a difference was made over time because the leader of the organization dealt with the local governments assuming that once the rules were made, they would not change arbitrarily. The leader knew that such was not traditionally the case, but she was able to establish such a reputation with the locals that they were embarrassed to not live up to her expectations. Of course it also worked because she worked with those at the other end showing them that if they worked within the system, they would make more progress than if they went outside it. It also only worked because she limited the size of the organization to where she could establish a personal relationship with people at various levels.

      --
      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  2. Solution by larppaxyz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Birth control.

    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or just stop feeding them. let the population adjust naturally to the food supply. keep on feeding them with no infrastructure = more starving people not less.

  3. the bigger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about not growing the population in an area that can't sustain it? Our whole planet is going to have to do this at some point unless there's some sort of breakthrough. Is it really too early to start talking about managing population growth or are we still so blind that we can't distinguish between human rights and long term survival?

    1. Re:the bigger problem by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Population is the elephant in the room of environmentalism. It's the root of almost all other problems, perhaps the most serious one of all. At the same time, the only ways to fix it would face massive public opposition to the point that the environmental movement as a whole would suffer from the backlash. So the problem is ignored, on the grounds that there are no politically viable solutions. China excepted, but them only because their government doesn't have to care how unpopular it's programs are.

    2. Re:the bigger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about not growing the population in an area that can't sustain it? Our whole planet is going to have to do this at some point unless there's some sort of breakthrough. Is it really too early to start talking about managing population growth or are we still so blind that we can't distinguish between human rights and long term survival?

      Yep. And one problem is the church which is doing much of the aid work in developing counries. Church does not allow birth control. Quite opposite, their bible says people should spread and fill the earth. They don't undestant that it happened allready over a hunderd years a go.

    3. Re:the bigger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exponential population growth, contrary to popular belief, is actually a myth. Birth control is actually popular with the people who use it (women). If people can afford it and are educated as to it's existence it works great without any sort of oppressive scheme. See for example, India's rapidly declining birthrate: graph as an example of how population is not as bad as you might think. In my personal opinion, the biggest issue for the environment is intellectual property and microregulations that impede alternative energy development.

    4. Re:the bigger problem by Confusedent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Disagree, the carrying capacity of Earth increases with new technological breakthroughs. As an example, we're only utilizing less than 30% of the *surface* habit right now (we can grow shit on the oceans, you know). The real issue is capturing enough energy (plus converting it to the desired forms) to feed/house/etc. everyone. Trying to control population is a needless violation of human rights, at least at this point. Well, not entirely needless given the current technology and economic structure, but the point is we have more than enough resources, we just manage them poorly, plus the first world has pretty well demonstrated that comfortable living is more important than taking care of the less fortunate. Oh don't get me wrong, Malthusian growth can't continue indefinitely, but we are so freaking far from that point it isn't even funny.

    5. Re:the bigger problem by dwywit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why "troll"? Abortion should be safe, legal, and these days EXTREMELY RARE. If all our children were given adequate access to education and when of a suitable age, access to birth control, I think abortion rates (and over-population) would become less and less.
       
      One man's opinion, obviously.

      --
      They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
  4. I KNOW!! by HaeMaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about we let the Africans decide! What a CONCEPT! Self determination!

    1. Re:I KNOW!! by mug+funky · · Score: 5, Funny

      you're crazy. they have oil. it's obvious intervention is required.

  5. They have to chose? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a stupid question. Why can't they do all 3? Did Africa recently shrink to the point where they can only try 1 type of farming? This is like asking what type of electrical generation the US should switch to!

  6. Grow stuff that is appropriate for the area. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course we all know that all farms should only be used for growing vegetables because raising animals is bad for the environment, right?

    Wrong.

    This is exactly why. The only people who think that we should only grow vegetables are people who have only ever seen thousands of acres of rolling Iowa cornfields - much of which gets fed to cows. Most of the world doesn't use "feedlots" the way that the cattle industry in the US does. Most of the world isn't rolling Iowa cornfield, either.

    The only thing that makes sense is to try to grow things that will actually thrive in the prevailing conditions. Trying to turn land that is not really suitable for arable crops into land that *is* suitable for arable crops is doomed to expensive failure. Now, the first problem with Africa is that cutting down forests to provide arable land has allowed what soil there was to wash or blow away, depending on whether it's getting deluged with rain or dried into powder with the sun. The first thing is not to worry too much about importing huge amounts of petrochemical-derived fertiliser, but to get irrigation working and grow green manure crops that will tie what little soil there is together, and provide some nutrients when they break down. The great thing about this is that you don't really care if the water is dirty - in fact, you *want* it to be a bit dirty, any sediment or sewage or dead animals will only make it work better. The more biomass you get in there, the better. Sure, it'll smell a bit horrible, but have you ever been near an organic farm when they're spreading the organic fertiliser out? Hint - you make organic fertiliser using cows, sheep and pigs.

    A good solution would be to devise some way of processing sewage from towns into something that can be used as fertiliser. The difficulty is that allowing sewage to break down involves allowing human shit to break down, and that requires you to let bacteria multiply rapidly, and you tend to get predominantly E Coli bacteria when you do that. This isn't exactly what you want to fling onto your arable crops, and killing E Coli requires lots of chemicals or lots of heat. They've got a lot of sunshine, so maybe you could do something with that - a sort of solar steriliser to bake off the E Coli and give you a nice, dry, easy-to-handle compost.

    Of course you're going to need to find some sort of livestock that thrive in these conditions, and goats do pretty well, but goats eat everything and will destroy ground-covering plants which is how we got into this mess in the first place. Hens would do pretty well, as long as you had a biggish grassy patch with plenty of bugs for them to eat. Cows would be good if you could get enough forage in for them initially, because there's nothing quite so good at turning poor grassland into fertile arable land as getting some sort of ruminant to eat the tough inedible grasses and pass them through that complex set of stomachs.

    We can't afford the arable land for everyone to be vegetarian, and when the oil runs out the situation will get worse. We *all* need to plan now and act soon.

  7. For God's Sake, Please Stop the Aid! by little1973 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    --
    Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer. - Ludwig von Mises
    1. Re:For God's Sake, Please Stop the Aid! by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In addition to that article, I'd add that there's a strong inverse correlation between economic development and population growth. The vast majority of population growth is in developing countries. Industrialized nations have close to zero and in some cases negative population growth. Food, clean water, and medicinal aid to developing countries may be well-intentioned, but it's just exacerbating the problem. Families which would've stopped after x babies continue to have more offspring because of the availability of food and water. Africans who would've died of starvation or disease survive, adding to a population which isn't sustainable with the infrastructure that's present there.

      We're tackling the problem backwards. Instead of treating the symptoms, we need to be treating the problem. First and foremost, we need to be helping African nations build an economic base. Help the countries there establish stable governments conducive to economic growth, develop educational structures to provide a skilled workforce, and provide economic assistance to help them start up their own businesses and trade. Once you get the economic ball rolling, they will build their own fresh water wells and distribution system; they will build their own farms and irrigation canals; they will build their own hospitals and train their own doctors. Doing it the way we're doing - providing food, water, and medicine for free - is just increasing their population while killing what economies they have. We're stunting their economic growth while simultaneously moving the goalpost of economic self-sustainability further away.

  8. How about we just stop "helping" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Africa is perfectly capable of growing enough food to feed its people. Many nations are capable of growing enough food to export the surplus. The problems are distribution, largely related to corruption and violence. It seems nearly everything we do just makes it worse. The free food shipments have a list of unintended consequences long enough to terrify you. It simultaneously props up the craven warlords that don't like us while depressing the prices for locally grown food so the farmers can't sell any excess they might grow for the tools that they need to buy the tools the need to continue to farm, much less other life expenses like clothes. Tools and clothes wear out, and if you destroy the local economies with our generousity, it does not help these people. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as the old saying goes. And hell, I'm not the only one saying it. Good intentions don't matter. Bad results do.

  9. Aquaponics by Essef · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have recently started an aquaponics system at home. I'm African, but an expat living overseas. I am massively impressed with the potential for this particular technology to allow for microfarming on small tracts or even in your backyard.
    Benefits I persieve so far:
          a) High yields over comparable soil-based techniques
          b) Allows for both protein and carbs to be sourced from one system
          c) Staples like corn have been successfully grown on *very* short cycles
          d) Small family-sized setups can be built to supplement a small family's needs or large "community systems" can be built to leverage economies of scale.
          e) Highly efficient water use compared to soil-based methods with only losses due to evaporation.
          f) Once it gets started the system is self-stabilising

    Challenges I see:
        g) Technically not the easiest thing to get started
        h) Cycling the system to establish the nutrient and bacterial load can take up to a month
        i) First fish harvest can take up to 9 months (Tilapia)
        j) A typical flood-and-drain system needs a waterpump running 24/7 as well as potentially an airpump for the fishes. Electricity !?

    I would be very much in favour of aid which goes toward establish self-sustaining community farms. I'm not a fan of aid which breeds dependency.

    1. Re:Aquaponics by Essef · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm currently running an AC waterpump capable of delivering 3000liters per hour at pump exit, and less than half of that at 1.5 m head height. This pump uses a whopping 40W of electricity.
      I think that a windmill is an excellent idea, however since the wind can be rather fickle, I don't know how one would keep the nutrient-rich water flowing, and the fishtanks aerated.
      An alternative is to have a biodiesel pump. There is a particular waterplant called "duckweed" which makes an excellent fish food, and also just so happens to have enormous potential as a biodiesel. Estimates are of delivering 200L of biodiesel from a modest planting of the stuff.

      It certainly is a sticky problem and one which I've wrestled with for some time now.

  10. Supply and Demand Growth by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is immaterial how much can be grown so long as there is no widespread use of contraception. The more food grown, the more mouths there will be demanding the food grown.

    --
    blindly antisocialist = antisocial
  11. For Mozambique ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's time to change your government

    Mozambique should not be a poor country - look at the resources your country has

    Mozambique is poor because of the mismanagement of the government

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:For Mozambique ... by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mozambique IS because of the great powers that carved up Africa at the end of the nineteenth century chose it to be.

      African countries have at least three problems, two of them internal and one external. The internal problems are that they were given (or in some cases took independence) without any significant attempts to create an educated elite, and that their boundaries are not based on culture. For examples of the latter, look at Nigeria with its Christian coastal dwellers and Islamic folk inland, or the current problems in Mali with the Toureg in the north fighting for independence. Also note how Sudan and Ethiopia have both had civil war and been split in the last decade or so, both along religious or ethic lines.

      The external problem is that both political and commerical interests benefit from African states being badly run. There was much jostling over the African states during the cold war, and it is much easier to deal with a dictator or bribe a government when you are after the many resources Africa has to offer rather than have to deal with the vagaries of public opinion.

      And let's not forget that some of these nations have had independence for less than 50 years (1974 in the case of Mozambique).

      Anyone interested in reading up on the carving up of Africa might want to take a look at Thomas Pakenham - The Scramble for Africa.

    2. Re:For Mozambique ... by alaffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While Western Imperialism did not help Mozambique in any way, to say that the poverty of African nations is a result of Imperialism is misguided. Ethiopia is a good example of this. It was only recently (the mid-20th century) and very briefly (1936-1944) brought under the control of a proper empire. For most of the rest of its history is has been a monarchy and has always had the potential to be fairly affluent - the soils there are quite fertile compared to neighbouring nations and the nation sits high above much of the rest of Africa making it the source for a dozen or so major rivers. However the nation is a poorly organized communist society - so very little of its fertile land is irrigated by its vast water reserves and it is usually one drought away from disaster.

      Are there things we could do to make things easier for Ethiopia? Sure. Because of her robust economies anything the west does has significant effects on the rest of the world. However there are many contributing factors to the poor economies of Africa, many of which have more to do with the people and the governments of these nations than anything the western world has done. Compare Ethiopia and Mozambique to Botswana, which gained independence in 1966 and was, at the time, the poorest country in Africa. Now it has a robust economy and the 2nd highest GDP per capita in sub-Saharan Africa (after Seychelles).

  12. Guns and Contraceptive Pills by Leo+Sasquatch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take the guns away from the men and give the pills to the women. Accept the fact that it's going to take a couple of generations to stabilise, and there is no quick fix. In many places, the problems seem to be not poor soil, or lack of rain, but the fact that around harvest time, some asswipe rolls up in a jeep with a bunch of his buttboys and helps himself to whatever he fancies.

    Accept the ugly truth that inter-uterine and infant malnutrition can directly and permanently affect brain growth. Unlike many other parts of the body, which seem able to recover, if sufficient food is presented later, the brain doesn't seem to recover. Entire areas have been hit by famine, whether caused by weather conditions or the janjaweed militia, and the damage is clear and permanent, and won't go away overnight no matter how much food you ship in.

    With no appropriate infrastructure, a lot of aid ends up wasted, damaged, or just diverted to whichever local asswipe has the most guns. Aid needs to be specific. I saw a TED talk on the amazing water-purifier bottle - he scooped up some filthy muck, gave it a couple of pumps, and out came pure water. A truckload of those in the right place would probably do some good. I also remember hearing about a village where the thing that made the most difference to their food supply was teaching the local craftsman to make catapults. The local monkeys would help themselves to the crops and they lost around 30% of their crop each year. They gave the local boys catapults, so they could hit the monkeys with stones without getting too close. The problem cleared right up, as the monkeys learned that going anywhere near the fields got them nothing but a sharp stone at high speed.

    The problems are not insurmountable, but they are huge in scope. Getting people to give a shit for extended periods of time might be the largest challenge of all.

    1. Re:Guns and Contraceptive Pills by retroworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give guns to the women, condoms to the men. That's how we tamed the wild west in the USA. It was ugly for awhile, and we still have some gun culture because of it. But as guns became small enough for women to carry and hide, men had to factor in that she might be packing heat, and thought twice. Handgun distribution to mothers in Uganda might do more to stop Kony than anything else. And the pill does nothing for AIDS, cheap condoms are better. (No, I'm not a troll).

      --
      Gently reply
  13. Permaculturalists are already there doing this by KaiLoi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I must admit that I'm surprised that in nearly 200 comments there have only been a couple of mentions of Permaculture. I would have expected that the highly systematic and evidence based approach to sustainable high yield food cropping would have been right up the slashdot crowds alley.

    They are already turning this kind of environment into productive landscape in even harsher climates than Africa (the very salty depleted areas of low lying jordan for example) Look on youtube for "greening the desert" (over view here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk).

    Permaculture (while it has it's hippy adherents) is moslty based in very well understood horticultural and scientific processes for repairing damaged landscapes in a rapid and sustainable way using pioneer species that not only stabalise the environment but enhance it. (Natural Nitrogen fixing precursor species) alongside cheap human manageable earthworks and seed planting techniques.

    I highly recommend any geek interested in ecological revitalization read up on and get into permaculture.

  14. Re:Why don't you ask Rhodesia? by realxmp · · Score: 5, Informative

    They were the breadbasket of Africa in the 70s, until the blacks took over and chased all the white farmers out.

    Surely there must be a few 'blacks' there that saw the kind of mechanized farming the 'whites' were performing and learnt how to do it. We are not talking degrees in agriculture here, just practical knowledge of how to farm. Why are the smart, enthusiastic, hard workers getting anywhere? Don't try and tell me they don't exist.

    There were blacks who knew how to farm efficiently, however these farm labourers were chased out along with the white farmers who owned the farms. The land didn't go to black folk who knew how to farm, it went to the so called "war veterans", aka people who backed the right political side. They also parcelled up the land into smaller parts. The result of all this was subsistence farming.

    The problem wasn't just that the system for taking over land was corrupt, but that it was completely mismanaged. Strangely if the party elite had actually taken their corruption far enough, parcelled out whole farms amongst themselves and kept on the existing labourers it would probably still be a breadbasket. Alternatively they could have been patient and taken the land over but kept the white farmers on as tenants and then used the money to fund decent projects for the country (though realistically they would have skimmed off the top from this too).