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Australian WiFi Inventors Win US Legal Battle

First time accepted submitter Kangburra writes "Australian government science body CSIRO said Sunday it had won a multi-million-dollar legal settlement in the United States to license its patented technology that underpins the WiFi platform worldwide. Scientists from the agency invented the wireless local area network (WLAN) technology that is the basis of the WiFi signal employed by computers, smartphones and other Internet-ready devices around the world."

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  1. okay they won by heptapod · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's next? Crocodile Dundee doing a commercial for CSIRO saying "That's not a wireless router. THAT'S a wireless router."

  2. Break Out The Australian Sparkling White Wine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a major cause for celebration.
     
    Remember folks, this is a RESEARCH ORGANIZATION, these funds will be mostly plowed back into further research.
     
    Also it makes for a good case-in-point, it doesn't matter WHO did the work or WHERE their funding comes from, a valid patent is a valid patent.

    1. Re:Break Out The Australian Sparkling White Wine by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember folks, this is PATENT LAWSUIT, these funds will be mostly plowed back into the legal firms that filed the suit.

    2. Re:Break Out The Australian Sparkling White Wine by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, not too likely. The CSIRO is one of the few genuine research and development companies out there. The research they do is very useful to many Australians - and they do a considerable amount of work assisting third world countries with farming, food production and water sanitation. While they are taxpayer funded (being a government organisation), a good part of their research dollars come from patents on stuff they come up with. In this case, this is a patent that has been recognised by almost all the companies that make products with it as this snippet from Wikipedia explains:

      In late November 2007, CSIRO won a lawsuit against Buffalo Technology, with an injunction that Buffalo must stop supplying AirStation products that infringe on the 802.11 patent.

      On 19 September 2008, the Federal Circuit ruled in Buffalo’s favour and remanded the case to the district court ruling that the district court’s Summary Judgement was insufficient on the merits of obviousness of CSIRO’s patent. Therefore, this case was to be tried again before the district court. In this connection Buffalo was hopeful that it would shortly be permitted to, once again, sell IEEE 802.11a and 802.11g compliant products in the United States. On 13 July 2009 Buffalo announced the settlement of the patent infringement action.

      As of 23 April 2009, the CSIRO has obtained settlements from most of the other organisations involved, including Dell, Intel, Microsoft, Asus, Fujitsu, Hewlett Packard, Nintendo, Toshiba, Netgear, D-Link, Belkin, SMC, Accton and 3Com.

      Furthermore, even this article on WIFI on Wikipedia has very explanatory information:

      A large number of patents by many companies are used in 802.11 standard. In 1992 and 1996, Australian organisation the CSIRO obtained patents for a method later used in Wi-Fi to "unsmear" the signal. In April 2009, 14 tech companies agreed to pay CSIRO for infringements on the CSIRO patents. This lead to WiFi being attributed as an Australian invention.

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    3. Re:Break Out The Australian Sparkling White Wine by cheater512 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah well thats the fault of the bloody US companies, not the CSIRO.
      Some money is better than none for a research organisation.

    4. Re:Break Out The Australian Sparkling White Wine by haruchai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pffft. Since it's been clearly established that government is incapable of doing anything right, there's no way this is legitimate work by CSIRO. They must have stolen the IP from Hedy Lamarr and is using it to browbeat good old American job creators into given up their hard-earned wealth. Bloody Aussie socialists.

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    5. Re:Break Out The Australian Sparkling White Wine by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's my understanding that csiro didn't patent "sending information over a wireless link". Their patent covers less obvious inventions that deal with rejecting interference that results from reflections when you transmit/receive inside buildings. Many big companies were trying to solve the same problem at around the same time. csiro got there first.

  3. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CSIRO isn't your typical patent troll. They do serious R&D on all sorts of things: environment, solar, agriculture, minerals, you name it. They're very well respected in Australia for the research they do.

    The money from this win will go towards funding more research. These are the good guys; if they have a patent for something, it will be more than your typical "XOR for a visible cursor that doesn't interfere with the display" job.

    1. Re:Good! by Swampash · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nope, the CSIRO has done everything possible. They've been attempting good-faith licensing terms for years and getting rebuffed with "fuck off back Down Under, Aussie, you're dealing with the big boys now". They developed a technology that we all depend on and have been trying to get recognition of that fact for years.

      I'm a nerd and I fucking hate patent trolls, but I'm applauding the CSIRO. They're the good guys in this fight.

    2. Re:Good! by Now15 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed they have.

      "Ozturf grasses have been scientifically tested by the CSIRO for strength and long term ultraviolet stability."
      (http://www.ozturf.com.au/products.html)

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  4. Re:I have no knowledge of what is patented by this by jaymz666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This lawsuit began years ago. They began suing people in 2005.

  5. Somebody shake that mans hand by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's sad to see how much effort they had to go through. This case is EXACTLY what patents are for: a bunch of scientists did some research and patented the results - companies took their results and made commercial products out of that and believed they could get away with not paying any kind of royalty or license fee.

    The vast majority of this money will go back into further research, slowly making the world a better place.

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    1. Re:Somebody shake that mans hand by RobHart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you look at the list of companies that were sued (and have settled), you will notice that none of them is an Australian company. It was Australian tax payer dollars that funded this research (and the patenting process), so just how does the Australian government tax all those non-Australain companies??? The ONLY way to do it is with patents so that the companies making money from the technology in many countries around the world pay a part of their profits back to the inventors.

      As has been said, the CSIRO will use this money to fund further research - such as the "pure" radio astronomy work which resulted in this spin off piece of technology in the first place!

      RobHart

    2. Re:Somebody shake that mans hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So us Australians should put all our [taxpayers] research that we funded into the public domain for other countries to use for free?
      How about copyrights? if the US designs the next advanced fighter, should get the designs, blueprints and source code go into the public domain?

  6. Re:Who picks these "standards" anyway? by black3d · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's nothing to do with "standards" at all. It's solely about technology which makes wifi work indoors without signal echo. They came up with the solution to the issue, patented it, then everyone else adapted it without licensing the technology. This is actually a perfect usage of patent and exactly what it's for.

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  7. Re:I have no knowledge of what is patented by this by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 5, Informative

    They began suing people in 2005.

    After, I believe, substantial attempts to get people to negotiate licences without involving a court.

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  8. Re:I have no knowledge of what is patented by this by Namarrgon · · Score: 5, Informative

    And long before that, they were trying to negotiate patent fees with the various vendors, but were ignored. The lawsuits were the last resort, and have mostly ended in the vendors settling. Revenues have been rolled back into a fund for future research. Read more here.

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  9. Re:Who picks these "standards" anyway? by black3d · · Score: 4, Interesting

    PS. CSIRO isn't a "troll". It's the research organization which actually invented this tech, and have been trying to license it for the last decade. They've reached agreements with over 30 major manufacturers for prior licensing. This is about as far from "patent troll" as you can get. Real patent trolls - compaines who acquire patents and sit on them for years waiting for tech to be adopted so they can then sue everyone, deserve your disdain. CSIRO doesn't.

    The only reason it's taken so long to get success for its patents is because it's in Australia - many US companies simply ignore patents from international companies because the cost of suing someone in the US is generally too high if you're overseas. US companies willfully ignore thousands of original invention patents originating internationally. Another great example is Franmara's "Champagne Xpress". It's a champagne bottle opener which was invented by a New Zealander, Bryce Stewart. It was patented in the US in 2003. Franmara CEO Frank Chiorazzi asked for a sample of the invention, then offered Bryce $2500 to license it. The offer was flatly refused - nevertheless, Franmara began manufacturing and selling them in the US. They're now popularly used in restaurants nationwide. The original inventor doesn't get see a cent of the procedes from his invention or patent, and it's very difficult for a NZer to procede with a lawsuit against a major US company, despite obvious patent theft.

    Realise, patent theft does occur, and trolls are not always the victims. In both cases above, the original inventors are, still holders of their original patents.

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  10. Re:I have no knowledge of what is patented by this by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I understand it the Slashdot article is (predictably) rather misleading. The technology involved isn't wifi per se but a clever signal processing method used in newer wifi standards (IE 802.11 N). IIRC it's the bit which allows signals recieved at multiple antennas to be used in a way that identifies multiple distinct signals coming from different directions at the same time (an increasingly important feature as the the number of devices explodes).

    It also demonstrates some of the benefits of a cross-specialisation science organisation like the CSIRO. IIRC the original idea was come up with (and used) by someone at CSIRO working in radio astronomy. More commercial uses were identified and they sought to commercialise it by licencing it to anyone who could make use of it.

    This is not the case of a patent troll buying some patent and belatedly wielding it as a weapon in an established market nor a company leveraging a patent to hurt competitors. It's a genuine invention that they tried to licence but ultimately had to go to court over because the Wifi companies (perhaps not used to dealing with entities outside their patent clique) refused to licence.

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  11. Way to promote cultural stereotypes by qirtaiba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    25 years later, your first thought about Australia is still Crocodile Dundee? Kinda offensive. Next time there's a story on an American patent owner, should my first post say "What's next? Uncle Sam going to whistle Yankee Doodle Dandy while eating a Big Mac?"

  12. Re:where's the details on the patents by seb42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Their patent expires soon, it was granted in the US in 1996, it seem to be a hardware patent, they made a chip to do ‘fast Fourier transform’ to solve the problem of wireless signals bouncing off walls. The main inventor worked in radio astronomy, "Inspired to think about ways of cleaning up smeared radio signals to make searching for short pulses like those from exploding black holes easier." http://www.google.com/patents/US5487069 http://www.csiro.au/Portals/Media/CSIRO-honours-wireless-team.aspx