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More Fuel For Facebook Censorship Advocates In India

thodelu writes "Close on the heels of Friday's communal clashes in a town in India that were triggered by a Facebook post which contained morphed images apparently deriding a religious place of worship, there has been another incident. City police have removed images from another similar blog post citing 'cyber criminal' laws. There has been an ongoing effort in India to censor the web which would get more backing as a result of these events. Could we be seeing another Great Firewall of China?"

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  1. Religious tensions percolate under surface... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... in India, Facebook blamed. Same results probably would have occurred if dead-tree distribution was used, although it's less likely such would make Slashdot.

  2. The solution is censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really, why dont they look at the root cause, which is the communal tension and try to solve them. Oh wait, it is politicians that incite such communal hatred for political reason.

    1. Re:The solution is censorship? by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Punish anyone who indulges in violence and ignore the religion.

    2. Re:The solution is censorship? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      What happens if one group disproportionately indulges in violence, and hence gets punished more?

      Ehm, justice?

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  3. It's the religion, stupid by mrseth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What we need is less religion, not more censorship...

    1. Re:It's the religion, stupid by linatux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps we just need to be more tolerant, no matter how opinionated the person next door is?

    2. Re:It's the religion, stupid by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At this point in the game, it doesn't matter. Muslims and Hindus have been at odds for centuries in India. The conflict has been internalized and institutionalized to the point where even if religion is somehow magically removed they would keep fighting. You still have the deep schism left over from the Partition. Northern, lighter skinned Indians look down on southern, darker skinned ones (look at Bollywood films for a perfect manifestation of this). And that's even assuming that you can remove religion from Indian society. Guess what, you can't. The caste system comes in part from religion. The most basic of traditions come from religion. People are violent. It's human nature. Hell, it's nature period. As long as there are 2 or more people left in the world, there will be violence.

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    3. Re:It's the religion, stupid by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 2

      Humans are a social species evolutionarily produced to work together

      They're also programmed to compete. You can apply theory to this all day long. The bottom line is that blaming Facebook (which isn't lily-white by any measure) for this particular incident is wrong. Those people have been fighting since time imemmorial and will only quit I suspect when one side gets wiped out.

    4. Re:It's the religion, stupid by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      "I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings and I hate people like that."

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    5. Re:It's the religion, stupid by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Everything can be changed and it is not normal human nature to be violent. Humans are a social species evolutionarily produced to work together not just by thinking of it but by the normal flow of hormones and brain chemicals, humans are wired to be a social species. Of course genetic defects occur in the wiring, psychopaths and narcissists as examples, from them stems the bulk of human on human violence.

      That's bullshit, as demonstrated by ample evidence - there are precious few human societies in existence or in history that had not, at some point, engaged in warfare with other societies.

      Sure, humans are a social species, and they together - within their society. Not within the entire species, though - someone from another society is an untrustworthy foreigner at best, an enemy at worst - again, look at our history and our culture, all these cliches are spelled out there quite explicitly. Where the boundaries between societies come from is an interesting question, but regardless of then answer, humans are real good at dividing the world into "us" and "them", and then hating "them", despite pacifist wishful thinking to the contrary. And the bulk of human of human violence stems from that, not from psychopaths. Psychopaths may hurt or kill several people, some of the more prolific ones may hurt several dozen before they get caught. A normal human male, with beloved wife and kids, killed thousands by squeezing the trigger of the bomb release over Dresden.

      Yes, it's true that there are people out there who nudge and shape the boundaries to suit them. But, even without such meddling, humans are perfectly capable of splitting into groups, and hating and killing each other.

    6. Re:It's the religion, stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a worldwide problem involving Muslims everywhere, be it India, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, France, you name it. Why this blanket comdemnation of religion, when only ONE religion is demonstrating that it's incapable of co-existing w/ the rest, but at the same time, incists on spreading to non-Muslim countries? There are no problems between Jews and Christians, Buddhists and Shintos, Hindus and Sikhs, Zoroastrians and Jains, etc. So rather than indulge in a self-sensoring game, why not bluntly state that the problem is Muslims being their usual self, and that no amount of censorship of Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Reuters, AP, et al is going to change that.

    7. Re:It's the religion, stupid by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are no problems between Jews and Christians, Buddhists and Shintos, Hindus and Sikhs, Zoroastrians and Jains

      Spoken like someone who hasn't been reading the news from India. Or did you just miss the stories about (Christian) nuns being attacked by Hindus trying to force them to convert? And, no doubt, you missed the people in Ireland being attacked for being the wrong flavour of Christian?

      Religion is an intrinsically intolerant idea. Any religion that claims to be the sole arbiter of truth can not coexist with others that make the same claim.

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  4. Square peg....round hole by bennini · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article states that a young man posted a photo on Facebook which offended several people.
    Several of those offended people decided to protest peacefully in front of a police station demanding his arrest.
    Other people decided to protest violently by burning cars, smashing in window stores and just generally acting like idiots.
    Instituting a nationwide internet censorship policy won't address the problem: impulsive, destructive people whose first course of action is violence.

  5. Honestly... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    They should probably encourage facebook to keep up the good work...

    Nothing intensifies feelings of religious entitlement(that, when violated, swiftly turn to violence) like continual cringing deference and nothing dissipates those feelings like a continual bilateral exchange of ridicule.

    It bloody well took long enough; but thanks to the scoffers, freethinkers, and scurrilous pamphleteers(Oh, and those guys were scurrilous. Trolls respect your elders....) most of the western world can't even distinguish between a Lutheran and a Methodist, much less excitedly tell you why burning one of the two at stake is an immediate necessity. Heck, unitarians the last major surviving heresy(Arianism, Socinianism, and Catharism didn't do quite so well) are now considered to be risibly bland liberals, rather than barely-christian heretics. Even the good, old, Catholic/Protestant bloodbath just isn't what it might be. You've still got a few belligerent, probably whiskey-soaked, Irish fighting; but outside of that knowledge and care about the theological and doctrinal differences is probably at an all-time low, particularly when you consider that the ability to inform yourself if interested is at an all time high.

    It takes time; but success through mockery that gradually degenerates into sheer apathy is the way to go! Censorship is an attractive short-term plan; but it will have you travelling away from the slackutopia, where nobody gives enough of a fuck to go to the trouble of brutal communal violence.

  6. Wirewall by Ashenkase · · Score: 2

    Could we be seeing another Great Firewall of China?

    No, this is the beginning of the great Wirewall of India: http://www.photopumpkin.com/wp-content/uploads/electric_wire_3.jpg

  7. Story tagged as censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I bet you little fagets can't' mod this +5 insightful

    NIGGERS

    Can you?

    Show me that you don't agree with what I say but will die for my right to say it. SHow me a +5 mod on this post. Hell, no need to die for it. Just spend some mod points.

    We won't see it. We'll see it at -1 in short order. The United States us a bunch of spineless hypocrites.

    1. Re:Story tagged as censorship? by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 2

      any particular reason why you posted as an "Anonymous Coward"?

      Emphasis on the second word perhaps...

  8. couple of big differences by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2

    The Chinese block shit for the sole rational purpose of absolute POWER. The Indians will block shit because of some delusional religious bullshit. Which is why China will win.

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  9. Re:Following in the footsteps of my betters... by dougisfunny · · Score: 2

    Sounds like Zombo.com

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    This is not the funny you're looking for.
  10. Re:the real cause by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you serious?

    Mao outlawed religion and while he managed to solve and get rid of a lot of his problems (people), I think he made the world's problems worse.

    I am so sick of all of this, "just get rid of religion and everything will be peachy" crap.

    The biggest killers the world has ever know killed for the nation, the party, their culture and for themselves, not for religion.

    An also, how do you plan to get rid of religions, are you going to round up the faithful and send them to camps?

  11. Re:Cart before horse by Jiro · · Score: 2

    One of the strange aspects of this case is something you obliquely pointed out: those news articles describe a "place of worship" and a "religious group", which enraged "youths" and offended the "other religious community". In the West (I don't know about India) this kind of bizarre omission of facts normally means that the incident was perpetrated by Muslims but the newspaper doesn't want people to think of Muslims as violent and is intentionally biasing their reporting. It's sometimes extended to other groups; for instance, political affiliation is mentioned a lot less for Democratic perpetrators than for Republicans.

  12. Re:the real cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mao outlawed religion...

    Mao also developed a philosophy of the moral superiority of the downtrodden ("Blessed are the meek..."?); established a cult of personality venerating him as more than a mere man; and published a handbook of his writings that outsold the Bible, and was treated in much the same manner (as a source of divine wisdom, infallibly correct).

    It seems to be a flaw of the human psyche, that the most direct way to get rid of a religion is to invent another one to replace it.

  13. Religious censorship already exists on Facebook by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try posting a picture of a woman breastfeeding. It is banned because it offends the American Puritans.

    Why shouldn't Facebook also cater to other religions? Their goal is to increase profits, so it makes sense to make the maximum number of customers happy.