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MIT Institute's Gloomy Prediction: 'Global Economic Collapse' By 2030

suraj.sun writes "A new study from researchers at Jay W. Forrester's institute at MIT says that the world could suffer from 'global economic collapse' and 'precipitous population decline' if people continue to consume the world's resources at the current pace. The study's researchers created a computing model to forecast different scenarios based on the current models of population growth and global resource consumption, different levels of agricultural productivity, birth control and environmental protection efforts. Most of the computer scenarios found population and economic growth continuing at a steady rate until about 2030. But without 'drastic measures for environmental protection,' the scenarios predict the likelihood of a population and economic crash."

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  1. Re:crappy difference-equation mathematics by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Second- or higher-degree difference equations can also oscillate stably, decay to a non-zero constant, or decay to a linear function.

  2. politically motivated by sribe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most of the computer scenarios found population and economic growth continuing at a steady rate until about 2030.

    Well then, they're bullshit. Every single country in the world that has ever industrialized has experienced steep declines in population growth as its citizens become wealthier and more educated. This trend is already very noticeable in the up-and-coming Asian and BRIC countries. There is no reason, none whatsoever, to assume that the trend will not apply (gradually) to every other country as they find their way to productive governments and growth--in fact, really, only Africa and the Middle East are left at this point, and thing there are starting to change.

    There can be only one reason to base models on such a startlingly unlikely assumption...

  3. Re:Club of Rome Study 2 by FTWinston · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or market distortions like people not being able to produce enough energy, due to demand outpacing technological progress. Sure, the system will still "self-correct," but in that scenario, self-correction can include drastic reduction in the number of people.

  4. Re:Good Timing! by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    That is why the Christians don't see any point in conservation for the future because they pray for their evil god to destroy the world, so it does not matter if they leave nothing for the next generation.

    Wow. Massive generalization much?

    Yes, I probably do generalize a bit much. That does not change the fact that the political arm of American Christianity is rabidly anti-conservation for the reason that I stated. They believe that their god will destroy the world before it matters.

  5. Re:FROSTY PISS!! by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your meds. Take them. Ozone? Acid Rain? Largely fixed because of those warnings and because of no one listening to denialist idiots. Global cooling? Never seriously been predicted. Compare the word frequencies over a large english corpus here. Well, watch out for those black helicopters. If you let your attention slip for just one second, the global government will get you. Comrade.

    --
    Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
  6. Re:Again... by dasunt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe a 2 child/couple policy would meet less resistance.

    Er, have you looked at the numbers? US fertility rate among native-born US citizens tends to be at below the replacement rate of 2.1. Immigration tends to drive US population growth rates.

    Europe is already below replacement rates in their fertility levels. 1.59.

    Numbers and sources can be found at Wikipedia.

    If you want to downsize the US or EU's population, you could do it through preventing immigration, and the population would drop naturally. But there are some pretty severe downsides to closing off immigration, and it only pushes the problem to somewhere else.

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  7. Survivors wrote history by Geof · · Score: 4, Informative

    History is an excellent guide. Plenty of societies have been faced with existential challenges. Some of them died. Others fell under the domination of societies that coped better or did not face the same limitations[1]. A very few survived (you can probably count them on your fingers).

    History is written by the survivors. Our history is that of the societies that survived. In North America, that recent history is exceptional: over a hundred years of peace within our borders. If by "history" you mean living memory, you are correct. Though if you back just a little farther and consider history from a native perspective, many societies died or fell under domination here. People adapt - but that's no guarantee that our society will be among the survivors.

    Market societies are extremely recent, arising only in late 18th century England, before which point the vast majority of the population lived from subsistence agriculture[2]. Market society was then deliberately constructed through government action. How markets are constructed matters very much: they do fail, particularly when it comes to public goods and the environment.

    Nor do markets somehow escape the limitations of nature. The rise of industrial capitalism corresponds to the exploitation of fossil fuels. Markets did not create coal and oil: they only discovered them. Would capitalism have been successful if they were not there to be found? One thing capitalism does extremely well is to replace one resource for another. When a resource grows scarce or expensive, something else is substituted. An efficient capitalist economy may not run out of anything: until it runs out of everything[3]. The problem-solving efficiency of markets can actually make the economy more fragile, not less.

    [1] Jared Diamond's Collapse examines numerous examples.

    [2] See Karl Polanyi's book The Great Transformation for a fascinating account of this. For a broader view of capitalism before this point, see Fernand Braudel's The Wheels of Commerce (Capitalism & Civilization 15th-18th Century Vol. 2).

    [3] Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies argues that a societies develop they realize diminishing marginal returns from adaptation and innovation. When the marginal returns turn negative, they collapse. The only solution he sees is an external energy subsidy - which is where our problem lies.

  8. The Club of Rome saw it coming by mangu · · Score: 4, Informative

    And the one thing in common with every major pandemic, catastrophe, and economic collapse has had in common? No one ever saw them coming.

    Only people who put fingers in their ears and say "LALALA, I can't hear you!".

    The Club of Rome made a prediction forty years ago that's coming pretty close to reality. RTFA and take a look at the comparative plots.