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Google Actually Patenting Its April Fools' Joke

theodp writes "On April Fools' Day, Google joked it was partnering with NASCAR on self-driving cars. Google Racing, the search giant joshed, had its roots in Project Caddy, which demonstrated the viability of self-driving golf carts. And in the future, Google added tongue-in-cheek, your kids will travel unattended in driverless-car car pools. Funny stuff, huh? Only thing is, GeekWire reports the USPTO disclosed Thursday that Google actually has a patent pending for driverless golf carts, as well as cars that can autonomously pick up kids from school and be switched into 'sport mode,' where 'the vehicle may navigate through turns at the maximum speed that is safe.' In addition to cars, trucks and golf carts, Google's patent application calls dibs on autonomous busses, boats, airplanes, helicopters, lawnmowers, recreational vehicles, amusement park vehicles, trams, trains, and trolleys. Google also describes how its invention will enable autonomous police cars to conduct high speed chases and give law enforcement vehicles 'a limited amount of control over nearby vehicles.' So, is the patent application legit, or did Google team up with the USPTO on a belated April Fools' goof?"

152 comments

  1. Can they do that? by samazon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they're applying for a patent, it means that they must have some sufficiently viable method of producing the tech. The "limited amount of control over nearby vehicles" sounds the most ominous, considering the inability of a percentage of law enforcement to not abuse their powers. I smell the singularity brewing inside the Googleplex....

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    1. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      enforced speed limits; which would improve traffic immensely.

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    2. Re:Can they do that? by Entropius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We'll make a trade: the police can insist that I follow their speed limits if those speed limits are set to the maximum speed that a well-maintained, maneuverable car can be driven safely under optimum conditions by a competent and alert driver.

    3. Re:Can they do that? by samazon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With an autopilot system in a car (assumedly controlled by GPS and googlemaps, of course) and considering all the fancy gadgetry in new cars to prevent collisions, the speed limits should increase significantly. I mean, how many accidents will occur once human error is removed from the equation?

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    4. Re:Can they do that? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that"

      (Just goes through my head when I think of this subject.)

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    5. Re:Can they do that? by crispylinetta · · Score: 2

      I just googled that question and got the response, "Yes, I can." So there ya go.

    6. Re:Can they do that? by houghi · · Score: 1

      If they're applying for a patent, it means that they must have some sufficiently viable method of producing the tech.

      No, it means they are afraid that somebody else has.

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    7. Re:Can they do that? by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Sure, you won't be driving anyway. And the robot driver will drive as fast as it is programmed to believe is safe (or efficient if that's that's what is actually cared about).

    8. Re:Can they do that? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If they're applying for a patent, it means that they must have some sufficiently viable method of producing the tech.

      Why? Patent trolls certainly don't...

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    9. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to imply that having autonomous cars removes human error from the equation. You are ignoring that:
      A) Not all cars will be autonomous; those that aren't are obviously susceptible to human error.
      B) The algorithms these cars use are still made by humans, and are thus susceptible to human error.
      C) Not all cars would be on the same level of communication. It's up to humans to devise a standard, which is susceptible to human error.
      D) There are always going to be humans not in cars on or around the streets, who are susceptible to human error.

    10. Re:Can they do that? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're going to have a hard time controlling all the older vehicles, too, nevermind the ones which run without any electronics (other than the battery and coil).

      Oh, right - that's why they wanted to get rid of all those highly efficient older and still serviceable vehicles from the 1980s via Cash for Clunkers: you can't chip or wirelessly control a vehicle which has no computer.

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    11. Re:Can they do that? by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      I mean, how many accidents will occur once human error is removed from the equation?

      Yes, because we all know that GPS and street information can never be wrong. That truck driver won't just be stuck under the overpass, he'll be all the way through (just missing a bit of the trailer), since the vehicle will be going full, safe speed for that unpaved part of the superhighway.

    12. Re:Can they do that? by samazon · · Score: 1

      You're right. I'm assuming (and we all know what that means...) that when Google applied for the patent they did so with the intent of receiving the patent (properly, with schematics and specific detail), rather than as a way to keep other companies from working on the tech.

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    13. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually having the technology to do so is not a criteria on applying a patent. I can probably patent for FTL or making a transporter or a time machine.
      These days for legit business, it is a "just in case" defense against other patent trolls should they managed to work out a product in the next 10 years or so.

      I am not so sure about trains/trolleys as there are automated subway systems in the world.

    14. Re:Can they do that? by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      You had me up to "...under optimum conditions by a competent and alert driver."

      Define "competent and alert driver"

    15. Re:Can they do that? by Zordak · · Score: 2

      If they're applying for a patent, it means that they must have some sufficiently viable method of producing the tech. The "limited amount of control over nearby vehicles" sounds the most ominous, considering the inability of a percentage of law enforcement to not abuse their powers. I smell the singularity brewing inside the Googleplex....

      Actually, all it means is that they have filed a patent application. You can file an application on any old nonsense you want as long as you pay the filing fee. But looking at this application (without spending any substantial time on it), it looks like they have a fairly beefy disclosure. In any case, this doesn't look like a "joke" application. This looks like the real thing.

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    16. Re:Can they do that? by samazon · · Score: 2
      I wasn't implying anything. At some point, human error will be removed from the equation; it probably won't be in my lifetime, and the removal will probably be more along the lines of "reduced to a negligible amount" - maybe I read too much science fiction, maybe I read too much science fact, but I do mean technological singularity, and I do think that the path winds hence.

      It'll be neat, right?

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    17. Re:Can they do that? by cp.tar · · Score: 2

      Computer.

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    18. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It will be better then that since it can calculate optimum flow based on far more variables. Number of vehicles, acceleration / deceleration ramp load, and consistent speed.

      people will perceive it as slower, but it will actually be faster over all.

      "by a competent and alert driver."
      it will be far more competences and alert then you are.

      AS soon as you add another human driver to the road, the speed that can be driven safely drops dramatically.
      You're control and safe speed is an illusion based in you own bias and lack of data.

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    19. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      well don'e you've boiled it down to the most extreme examples and ignored the on board safety system.

      You really have no argument if you have to go to such extremes.

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    20. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      except they aren't highly efficient.

      I mean, yeah getting the polluters of the road is mart of an evil master scheme.

      twit.

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    21. Re:Can they do that? by treeves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So when a less-than-alert driver driving a less-than-well-maintained car is driving over the ridiculously low speed limit in less-than-optimal conditions on the less-than optimally maintained road on which you also happen to be driving doesn't end up killing you: is that worth anything?

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    22. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the OnStar commercial where the police have OnStar remotely disable the vehicle they are chasing? The future is already here, guys!

    23. Re:Can they do that? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's really disappointing, given the number of auto manufacturers who could and should be given the opportunity to pursue driverless cars without a by-your-leave from Google. I mean the idea has long been around in sci-fi, look at Arnie's Johnny cab in Total Recall. And it is just an idea at this point. It would be like patenting horseless carriages or something.

    24. Re:Can they do that? by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      I mean, how many accidents will occur once human error is removed from the equation?

      Yes, because we all know that GPS and street information can never be wrong. That truck driver won't just be stuck under the overpass, he'll be all the way through (just missing a bit of the trailer), since the vehicle will be going full, safe speed for that unpaved part of the superhighway.

      Lets see, since there cameras and sensors all over these autonomous vehicles, I guess it will be literally impossible to add one more sensor that sticks up about 3 inches or so above the trailer to detect potential collisions. Plus bridges are often labeled with signs indicating their height. It would literally be impossible to have all of those cameras OCR those signs as an additional indicator of a potential collision. And since I thought of these 2 possibilities in 60 seconds, theres no way there could possibly be any additional possibilities given just a bit more thought, and no way the guys at google could possibly think of the same. Nope, it's convertible trailer time for sure.

    25. Re:Can they do that? by SeanBlader · · Score: 2

      You seem to imply that having autonomous cars removes human error from the equation. You are ignoring that: B) The algorithms these cars use are still made by humans, and are thus susceptible to human error.

      Algorithms are not susceptible to human error, requirements for those algorithm's are. If you want to make sure the requirements are correct, you won't leave it to the government. And actual safe speed of a vehicle through a specific piece of terrain is often grossly under the limits of the vehicle, and the limits of the vehicle are often grossly above what the human body can tolerate. Traffic collisions are the cause of people without proper training or experience to know the capabilities of their vehicle given the conditions under which they are driven. In the end the problem is with education, which also seems to be a problem for a lot of our elected, chosen, or inherited representatives in the world, as well as the occasional Slashdot poster as well.

    26. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "limited amount of control over nearby vehicles" sounds the most ominous, considering the inability of a percentage of law enforcement to not abuse their powers.

      It gets quite tiring to read these comments, along the lines of "oh boy, these mere high school grads are going to become even more of a nuisance, let's not give them the tools that can prove invaluable in legitimate emergencies". There is an inability of a percentage of every segment of our society not to abuse their power - why do we give them freedom to assemble, or vote, or buy guns, or have kids? If you're so concerned that your police force isn't more honest, why don't you try doing law enforcement? I'm sure your impeccable honesty would make a grand contribution.

      Oh wait, we'd all rather criticize their work and lack of intelligence/ethic/etc. from our arm chairs, as we have better things to do than concern ourselves with how we are actually able to sleep soundly at night.

    27. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what? I actually really fucking hate you.

    28. Re:Can they do that? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      In absolute power? No. But in fuel economy, many of them were. They offered a lot more utility than your average modern sedan, or whatever you want to call the Prius.

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    29. Re:Can they do that? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You really have no argument if you have to go to such extremes.

      I went to no extremes. I simply pointed out that removing the human factor from the system doesn't necessarily mean that things will work better and there will be fewer accidents.

      Humans are remarkably resilient and able to solve problems that computers cannot. Risk's Digest is filled with case of computer and system failure.

      If a human sees that the "superhighway" that his computerized driving system has him on is made of gravel, he can override the system a long time before the "three inch sensor sticking up from the top of his truck" impacts the overpass. (By the time the sensor triggers, it's too late.) A human can see that the overpass is kinda short, even when a computerized camera cannot OCR the bridge information from the posted sign that is covered with dirt or hidden behind a tree branch.

      The FAA has a history of blaming everything on "pilot error". They are just as wrong for doing that as anyone here is for assuming that getting humans out of the system will inherently make it safer.

    30. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a little more than GPS is required to safely drive.
      1. Stereographic cameras (The car must be able to see "depth" if it's following too close or sudden obstructions), can also be done with Radar or Sonar. Until all cars can communicate with each other (including manned cars) this is required.
      2. Realtime mapping with traffic to determine where roads are closed and traffic is rerouted
      3. Collision/hazard avoidance systems to determine maximum safe speeds by determining the road condition and weather. You might want to go 55MPH on highway grade, but 35MPH if the road is of a coarser grade, and 20mph if it's rocks or sand. I think this can be done with high resolution cameras to see the road surface texture.

    31. Re:Can they do that? by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      why do we give them freedom to assemble, or vote, or buy guns, or have kids?

      Because that's very similar to collective punishment, and it has nothing to do with limiting the government's authority (authority the average person doesn't have).

      There is no perfect system; no one to my knowledge denies that. However, if you give people lots of authority, there will be abuses. More so than with the average person. We want to minimize this as much as we can without completely getting rid of the useful functions of said authority figures.

      Oh wait, we'd all rather criticize their work and lack of intelligence/ethic/etc. from our arm chairs

      Whether it's from their "arm chairs" or somewhere else, this by no means affects the validity of their criticisms.

    32. Re:Can they do that? by patchmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Human error will be removed from the equation not long after humans are removed from the equation.

      Not all roads are limited access super-highways. I do most of my driving on surface streets. There is sufficiently little pedestrian traffic that one tends not to think about them, and just enough pedestrian traffic that forgetting about them becomes a big problem. Until you make it illegal for pedestrians to enter the roadway, there will be humans and human errors as parts of the equation.

    33. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      there will be no singularity.

      Sorry.

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    34. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Science isn't art. Please stop trying to minimize what you don't understand.

      " I am a technician myself,
      we got a bad ass over here!

      " I mean, who else but us arrogant humans can come up with the idea that we understand "laws of nature"? "
      The laws of natures are scientific laws based on current daa and understanding. Things that have been tested many, many times.

      " I think it's ok not to know it all, "
      Yes, nothing as warm as the blanket of ignorance.

      And just so you know, human error is being removed already. many flights happen every day with no pilot interaction. Computer respond to incident much fast then people.

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    35. Re:Can they do that? by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

      You should try out driving in LA. Going the speed limit feels like you are going warp speed compared to the other cars driving 17 in a 35.

    36. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      yes, those pesky government type with there algorithms that let place fly with out pilots, have a machine exciting are solar system, create better traffic flow.

      The government is who you want making those algorithms because they hire the smartest people.

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    37. Re:Can they do that? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yes you did. You used examples that are completely unrealistic to haw driverless cars work.

      "Humans are remarkably resilient and able to solve problems that computers cannot"
      yes, but there are some problem computers can solve better and faster.

      IN you example the system would realize it wasn't on the correct road in microseconds. It and probably adjust.

      Computers system as FAR BETTER at getting dimension then humans are. Humans are horrible at getting accurate speed, distance, size.

      And it would use laser finder to determine the actual bridge position, not read some damn sign.

      You are way out of your depth on what these systems can do.

      There are a lot of case where computer system in airplane have recovered from incidents faster then a pilot cna recognize the issue, much less do anything.

      Technological advancements will make the roads safer, life more enjoyable, and generally better over all.

      Driver less cars will mean a lot fewer accidents.
      When people drive an make a mistake that causes an accident, there is not a way to fix the same mistake in all the humans. SO the same stupid judgement errors happen 100s of times a day,.

      With an automated system, all the systems 'learn' from a previous systems mistake.

      However, there will be no singularity.

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    38. Re:Can they do that? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      probably more about getting nearby vehicles out of the way quick smart before they get t-boned.

      would be amazing for those blind/deaf/selfish SUVs that don't get out of the way when an Ambulance is coming up behind them. i'd rather ambos and fireys have this tech than your regular Melbourne cop though.

    39. Re:Can they do that? by meerling · · Score: 1

      Well, since there is massive prior art, and the concept of automated vehicles has been in the public eye for nearly a century, they can't have a patent on automated vehicles. On the other hand, they can get a patent on a specific automation system for a vehicle.

    40. Re:Can they do that? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      More to the point, the ability for the police to stop a car instead of chasing after it provides better safety for everyone without giving them any real new powers that flashing their lights didn't already entail. Unless you try to outrun the police when they flash their lights, it makes no difference to you as the person they're pulling over.

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    41. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way would everyone mindlessly obeying some arbitrary and nearly always incorrect assignment of "maximum safe speed" improve anything? Especially if the effect would universally be to make traffic slower?

    42. Re:Can they do that? by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Give that post a mod point!

      As a licensed driver for 35yrs I say anyone who cannot comprehend that point and obey the posted speed limit is NOT a competent driver. Turns out any fool with lady luck in the passenger seat can push a rust busket to it's 'safe limits' and survive to drink another beer. I was definitely an incompetent driver when I was young and I fully deserved the 4-5yrs of constant legal trouble that came my way because of it. Looking back now, having seen friends and teenage children of friends die from the sheer arrogant stupidity that seems inate to young men in cars I realise how very fortunate I was not to have maimed or killed someone.

      Ignoring speed limits and driving at the 'safe limits' of a car on a public road really requires the ability to accurately read the minds of everyone else around you. Since accurate mind reading requires an exchange of tea leaves we have the next best thing, road rules! There's also a licensing regime to ensure every driver knows how every other driver expects them to behave. Watch a police chase on the TV, the only reason the perp and the cops can drive like that is because the other drivers are abiding by the rules and behaving in a predictable manner. In fact when a semi-driver listening to his CB radio DISOBEYS the rules and blocks two lanes then the perp is fucked.

      Now to assume every driver in day to day traffic will strictly adhere to the rules is suicidal, but knowing what to expect makes incompetent drivers much easier to spot and avoid, even when the incompetent driver is a younger more alert you..

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    43. Re:Can they do that? by zoloto · · Score: 1

      the police can insist that I follow their speed limits...

      These limits do not belong to the police. The police do not set the rules, laws, limits etcetera. They merely enforce with some measure of consistency.

    44. Re:Can they do that? by Zordak · · Score: 2

      Well, this isn't yet a patent on anything. It's just an application. And even if the claims issue as they're now written, it's not a patent on the basic idea of driverless cars. "I claim a car that operates itself without a driver" would immediately be shot down by the examiner on prior art and probably on lack of specificity too.

      This application is claiming a specific method of automatically driving a car. Granted, claim 1 as it's currently written is fairly broad, but if it survives without Google having to narrow it, it will be the exception, not the rule (I only rarely see a patent issue without the claims being amended at all). As for whether it should survive without being amended, I couldn't even hazard a wild guess without analyzing the claims and searching the prior art to see what else is out there. So long story short, it's not time to panic just yet.

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    45. Re:Can they do that? by russotto · · Score: 2

      As a licensed driver for 35yrs I say anyone who cannot comprehend that point and obey the posted speed limit is NOT a competent driver. Turns out any fool with lady luck in the passenger seat can push a rust busket to it's 'safe limits' and survive to drink another beer. I was definitely an incompetent driver when I was young and I fully deserved the 4-5yrs of constant legal trouble that came my way because of it. Looking back now, having seen friends and teenage children of friends die from the sheer arrogant stupidity that seems inate to young men in cars I realise how very fortunate I was not to have maimed or killed someone.
      As a licensed driver for 25 years, most of that driving done over the speed limit, I say that you have succumbed to the nervous-nelliedom of old age. Yeah, I drove a little crazier when I was younger because I didn't know the limits of my abilities or those of the car, but I knew then and I know now that those abilities have nothing to do with the number on the sign.

      Ignoring speed limits and driving at the 'safe limits' of a car on a public road really requires the ability to accurately read the minds of everyone else around you. Since accurate mind reading requires an exchange of tea leaves we have the next best thing, road rules!

      Sure, you can't really drive at the full limits of your car's ability on a public road. I've taken my car around a certain set of curves with the speedometer pegged (somewhere north of 110mph, probably). No way could I do that with traffic on the road. On the other hand, the road is posted at 55mph -- there's a lot of room in between.

      There's another set of curves where I used to joke that that limit only made sense for a dump truck in a blizzard. Until I ended up going through those curves behind a dump truck in a blizzard, and he was doing 10mph over with no problem.

      If they ever start setting them appropriately, maybe I'll start paying attention (probably not, I'm too old and set in my ways). But until then, I'm not even going to feel an iota of guilt for violating them.

    46. Re:Can they do that? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1
      No one said that we know it all and obviously we don't or that would be the end of science. However, your belittling of what we have accomplished through the scientific method is quite ironic considering your use of a computer to post that ignorant opinion.

      The simple fact is: science works, bitches. We ARE smart, intelligent creatures and we have created many wonderful things through our method of improving, self-correcting knowledge. I don't think it arrogant at all to be in awe of the things we know that we know as well as the things we know we don't yet know.

      It certainly is ok to not know it all, but it is certainly not ok to not strive to know more than we did yesterday.

      If you think that our scientific knowledge is useless and "make belief", then kindly, please, put your money where your mouth is, get off the computer and move back into a cave.

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    47. Re:Can they do that? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Computers can make decisions much faster than people with sensors that can't get distracted. Where a human is thinking "wow, look at that hot girl as I pass her by OH SHIT A KID IN THE ROAD!!!!!", the computer will easily sense the suddenly oncoming child and automatically respond safely rather than wildly swerve out of the way while locking up the brakes. I don't see why pedestrian traffic would be any more of a problem for autonomous vehicles than any other obstacle.

      Obviously that's not to say that these accidents will NEVER happen, but I'm confident that the statistic will drop by multiple orders of magnitude.

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    48. Re:Can they do that? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

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    49. Re:Can they do that? by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      removing the human factor from the system doesn't necessarily mean that things will work better and there will be fewer accidents.

      Absolutely. But not for the reasons you suggest.

      Removing the human factor means ducks will be writing and testing the software, and hedgehogs will be designing and testing the hardware. Which will lead to such problems as failing to give way to dogs or stupidly using the horn to "warn" kangaroos to stay off the road.

    50. Re:Can they do that? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should have our governments hiring coders to produce spelling/grammar checkers also. ;)

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    51. Re:Can they do that? by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      Define "competent and alert driver"

      100+ hours of Need For Speed and 2 points of speed?

    52. Re:Can they do that? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      There need to be harsh penalties for when humans - an objectively inferior race - disobey their masters which are after all perfect immortal machines. I'd program the machines to reading history on Google Books about how the Romans and other human cultures treated their slaves when they disobeyed.

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    53. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how about emissions? I'm not only talking about CO2, but sulfur and NOx too.

      Oh, and what about the changes that have occurred to the testing methodologies behind the fuel consumption ratings? You can't directly compare a current model to an older model, you know.

      Safety too, big differences there. Modern cars fall to pieces to save their occupants; older cars stayed intact and killed everyone (as well as being less pedestrian-friendly). That leads to a weight increase and efficiency drop.

      Like GP said, there's no great conspiracy here.

    54. Re:Can they do that? by yesiree · · Score: 0

      "The laws of natures are scientific laws based on current daa and understanding. Things that have been tested many, many times." So what? There are always exceptions to our laws. And the funny thing is that sometimes we ignore experiences and facts coming from our five senses just because they don't confirm to our written "laws of nature". That is not striving for knowledge. That is ignorance. "Yes, nothing as warm as the blanket of ignorance." Not really. I hate not knowing everything. But life has taught me that that everything is not knowable through the tool of intellect. I don't think we can quantify everything, because I don't think everything is quantifiable. And pleeeease, don't think I am a pesky "intelligent design" christian, that can't stand knowledge derived from scientific studies. Everything has got its limitations, and intellect is one of them. We can do more, and know more, and be more that we do today. Now does this mean we are touching religious borders? Heck no! Just facts, if you ask me, and we acknowledge the latest research regarding quantum physics (to name one...). The funny thing guys, is how sensitive these things can be to talk about. Why respond in such a emotional way if you don't feel just like the religious zealots of sects, that try to protect the truth. Truth doesn't need any protection. Truth IS! You and me and the rest of humanity can't change that. This correspondence is just a show of ignorance of both of us. But it's fun isn't it...? ;-)

    55. Re:Can they do that? by yesiree · · Score: 0

      Please see answer to geekoid above.

    56. Re:Can they do that? by itsanx · · Score: 1

      This may be OT, but I sincerely agree with parent. Science makes no claim on truth, science is a conceptual paradigm used to create tools. Reality does not need these tools to function - humans need the tools to relate to reality. As long as the standard model, upon which most nature science is built, remains incomplete there is no plausible support for a 1:1 correspondence between scientific explanatory frameworks and the inner workings of nature. We are already crossing the boundaries of human logic when proposing that a subatomic particle can assume several opposing states at once. Science in general and mathematics in particular are arts of reasoning. While they have proven to deliver enormous advancements in technology and welfare, they are not to be mistaken for truth.

    57. Re:Can they do that? by yesiree · · Score: 0

      Thank you for seeing my point, although I managed to write it a bit more provocatively... This is my major point, that many people nowadays see science as a truth, and not just a tool to understand truth. If we remember this clearly, we can then proceed further and unwrap the knowledge that exists out there...

    58. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure, you can't really drive at the full limits of your car's ability on a public road. I've taken my car around a certain set of curves with the speedometer pegged (somewhere north of 110mph, probably). No way could I do that with traffic on the road.

      I have to disagree. In Germany you often can (outside the traffic jam areas).

      My regular _cruising_ speed on the autobahn is 200kph. With traffic on the road. Been doing this for 18 years now. I only once even got close to having an accident. Oh. And sometimes people do overtake me.

      It's a matter of attention. Of course. You do look at the traffic and the road. You do _not_ look at your radio, girlfriend, toddler in the back, hot woman in the lane next to you or anything else. If you talk to someone else in the car you keep looking at the road. As soon as you realize that a car is a _weapon_ your attention should change. Significantly!

      Drivers' skills drop quite a lot as soon as you move over to Austria or Switzerland. Traffic there is limited to a speed that every bloody piece-of-crap car can achieve so everyone _will_ be driving at the same speed. And that makes for shitty drivers. No, I cannot prove this scientifically. But it's very, very obvious. If you have to assume that the car coming up from behind is running 120kph _faster_ than you, your behaviour and attention will change (one way or the other).

    59. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're stuck in a box. You're implying that. for some reason, pedestrians cannot be accounted for. Which is retarded really. The computer will be much more effective than a human at dealing with pedestrians.

    60. Re:Can they do that? by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think it'd be pretty cool if computers could develop the subjectivity needed to respond in a "wow, look at that hot girl"-type fashion. Obviously, this isn't the sort of environment we would want to see it played out, but such subjectivity in other areas could help give artificial constructs far more convincing a "personality" than we currently seem capable of (although if the subjectivity was limited to commenting on hit girls, such a personality, whilst convincing, would be a little too one-dimensional for my liking).

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    61. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it shows ignorance from you and no one else *insert condescending 'you've got to agree!' smileys here*

      If there's an exception to a law, then the law is wrong, more science is done and we change the law. Science IS the closest thing we have to the truth. We can't trust our 5 senses because they're just our own representation of what is happening. Are we going to not believe Dark Matter exists because we can't see it directly every day?

    62. Re:Can they do that? by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      the limits of the vehicle are often grossly above what the human body can tolerate

      This is largely dependant on the thoroughness of maintenance that the vehicle undergoes. If some clueless owner fails to check fluids, tread-depths, etc. the capabilities of the vehicle become significantly diminished.

      I would agree, however, that a sizeable number of single-vehicle vs. static object traffic collisions are the cause of what we sometimes used to call "a loose nut behind the wheel", that is to say, a driver whose knowledge of their vehicle's capabilities and/or the effect of road conditions is somewhat lacking. It is not, however, true to say the same about other vehicular collisions. Here, we also need to factor in the driver themselves. Driver distraction, in my experience, tends to be one of the most significant causes, and if you don't bother to keep a proper lookout so that you don't see the kid walking out into the road you're chugging along at 50+, the capabilities of your vehicle and the road conditions have little influence on whether the resultant collision.

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    63. Re:Can they do that? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1
      Well I certainly agree, a computer with a personality would be awesome. But I don't want it driving my car for me.

      Admit it, you just want a hot Cortana to talk to. :P

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    64. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't wait until computer controlled cars can multitask and swerve to avoid the kid at the same time it ogles the hot girl.

    65. Re:Can they do that? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Automated cars/trucks etc. would not cause a singularity. They MIGHT lead to a human level AI which would, but I actually thing that an automated car wouldn't need to be much smarter than a dog. It might need a larger vocabulary, but that's not exactly intelligence.

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    66. Re:Can they do that? by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      Personally, my first solution was laser-mapping of the structure. Then I thought that what was probably more likely was some kind of ridiculously cumbersome database with all such structures incorporated into it to feed into the navigation system alongside mapping data such that that type of route is avoided. In other words, whilst I like the phrase "convertible trailer", I think the boffins at Google should be able to prevent such an occurrence from becoming commonplace.

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    67. Re:Can they do that? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      There are those who agree with you that there will be no singularity. I, on the other hand, believe that we are currently in the middle of one. If we are quite lucky, we will live through it. I have no real idea what it would be like on the other side, but clearly this rate of change can't keep accelerating forever.

      N.B.: The technological singularity is an ANALOGY to a mathematical singularity. It's not isomorphic. Just about nobody actually believes that we will reach an infinite rate of change. The question is "Will it turn logistic? Parabolic? Or will it crash and burn? And how fast will it get first?" And all of those positions have reasonable arguments in favor of various answers to them. Only some of them are at all desirable.

      FWIW, I don't believe that a singularity is desirable, except in comparison to the alternatives. It is my feeling that if we don't reach a beyond-human level AI by the end of the century, then we will either have destroyed ourselves, or have totally crashed our civilization. And some forms of the singularity are more survivable.

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    68. Re:Can they do that? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The posted speed limit is only significant if there isn't much traffic. If there is significant traffic, the safest speed is just slightly less than the average of what that other traffic is doing. Note that this speed is usually insanely dangerous, as the amount of time required to stop is such that you won't be able to. This is why freeways frequently have "chain-reaction" accidents.

      IOW, I consider most drivers to be incompetent, and believe that they drive faster than is safe. But those who drive excessively slow are even worse. And the posted speed limit is useless with respect to safety, unless there are very few cars on the road.

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    69. Re:Can they do that? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I understand why they applied for those patents, but they shouldn't get them. Those should count as obvious extensions once you are given a self-driving car.

      OTOH, if they don't apply for the patents, someone else will. And since Google can justly apply for many patents on the self driving car, as long as any additional patents that are granted on the same invention are held by them, no major harm is done. But it would be much better for those patents to be denied because of prior art (literary only, of course) and obviousness. Then there would still be official record that those inventions had been made previously, but there would be no chance of them being sold off to a troll.

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    70. Re:Can they do that? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Check out the numbers. Keeping an old car running is usually much less polluting than replacing it with a new car, even if that car gets many more MPG. And the hybrids are much worse than the simple figures indicate, as you need to calculate in all the pollution caused by the construction of their batteries.

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    71. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on the outcome of certain cases in front of the SCOTUS right now you may well find yourself being forced to buy an autonimous vehicle because "everyone is involved in traffic saftey so evryone has to buy the cars we tell them to" and brocolli.

      Luckily I own wire cutters and am pretty good at bypassing systems that bug me.

    72. Re:Can they do that? by yesiree · · Score: 0

      Funny. Just noticed that you scored my comment as flamebait. Interesting! Does this mean that people can't stand opinions that are different from others? I can't say that I have thought about the system of points here at slashdot that much. But it could mean that the points influences people in the way they express their ideas. Sensitive topics could be censored, and you strive to be "popular".... Hrrmmm... this could have it's drawbacks... Somebody else who also thought about this, and care to share?

    73. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a technician myself

      Ah, technicians. I've met quite a few that ran circles around anyone with an engineering degree. Raw talent and experience is valuable as hell. Still, most of them are low-wage peons hired to build what the engineers design, make tons of mistakes that now the engineer has to waste time fixing, and think they are hot shit because they "do all the work" without realizing they have zero understanding of the fundamentals of how whatever it is that they've built actually works.

      I mean, who else but us arrogant humans can come up with the idea that we understand "laws of nature"?

      And that right there betrays which camp of technicians you belong to.

    74. Re:Can they do that? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      Science makes no claim on truth, science is a conceptual paradigm used to create tools.

      Correct.

      Reality does not need these tools to function - humans need the tools to relate to reality.

      Also correct.

      As long as the standard model, upon which most nature science is built, remains incomplete there is no plausible support for a 1:1 correspondence between scientific explanatory frameworks and the inner workings of nature...

      Blah, blah, blah, technobabble, we don't know everything, therefore everything we know is wrong...

      You started off ok, but then went off in an unimportant tangent. Here's what you miss: Science makes no claim on truth, but truth is irrelevant in dealing with reality. Tools are what we need. The tools work whether the principles we believe are behind how they work are true or not, and that is how science works: consistency.

      Newton gives us the laws of motion. Einstein tells us things actually appear to behave a bit differently. Everybody screams, "Newton was wrong!" and you'd use that as an example that we don't know everything. Except we used Newton's laws to put humans on the moon. Because relativity wasn't known in the 60's? Obviously not. Because relativity doesn't matter for this task. A theory can be wrong about the fundamentals of reality while still being an excellent tool at predicting reality's behavior. Newton's laws are not suitable to design GPS, but they're NEVER going to cease being useful just because we discovered more information about the universe around us.

      Similarly you're here complaining that the Standard Model can be wrong. And yet here we are typing on a computer only possible because we have an understanding of quantum mechanics. Go look up how a transistor works. Is it possible that the Standard Model is incomplete? Of course it's incomplete. Will we ever discover something that will make it less useful in the cases where its prediction ability has already been shown to shine? Of course not. As a tool, it's already useful, it will never cease being useful, and whether or not we gather more knowledge will have no effect on how good a tool it is.

      Truth doesn't matter. Models do. As long as our models have prediction abilities that are accurate, who the fuck cares if they're true or not? And that's why we will eventually construct cars that will remove all human error from the equation. The tools will be good enough without the need for us to know everything.

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    75. Re:Can they do that? by patchmaster · · Score: 1

      I was responding to a message that said everything will be fine when human error is removed from the system. My intent was to point out that as long as humans and vehicles are allowed to mingle, human error can never be removed. Pedestrians will do stupid things. They'll have their mind on something else entirely and stupidly step off the curb into traffic. Kids will dash out into the street from between parked cars.

      Can the car be programmed to react to these situations? Sure. Will it be able to tell the difference between a child darting out from between parked cars and a beach ball rolling into the road? In the former case avoidance of the obstacle at virtually any cost is the recommended course, even if it means swerving into oncoming traffic. In the latter, collision with the obstacle is of no consequence.

      Will the computer know the beach ball, which is not an obstacle to be concerned with, is likely to be followed by an obstacle that needs to be avoided? Will the computer be able to detect children playing in a front yard and slow down just in case one of them does something stupid? How will it tell the difference between children playing and normal pedestrians on the sidewalk who warrant no unusual concern? People, well, some people, make these judgments instantly and continually while driving. Perhaps computers will be able to do it some day. But not today. At least not at a cost that makes it practical for in-vehicle use.

    76. Re:Can they do that? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      That was the OP's point. It's not about you and how much traffic there is, it's about what other people expect of you and the traffic. If you're on a German freeway or an outback highway, the other people (or lack thereof) are expecting you to be moving like a rocket car, in a 55 zone they expect you to be moving at 55mph +/- 5mph. Problem in the outback is that Camels have no understanding of road rules, the stupid fuckers run away from you in a straight line down the middle of the road, consequently the new north-south rail link is covered in Camel meat from Adielade to Darwin.

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    77. Re:Can they do that? by yesiree · · Score: 0

      Why feeling offended by my words to the degree that you spill these insults? You have no knowledge of me as a person, of my background (other than a label that says almost nothing) or why I said what I did. Sometimes it can be wise to read between the lines and see what's hidden... One of the reasons I wrote what I did was an existential one. Questions and discussions about life and the world fascinates me, and to me it's important that I can feel and sense the meaning behind it all, or the lack of it as it sometimes can be. If you want another label to put on me, you could use symbolic mystic as well. Now where does this lead us? You have associations towards those words and respond accordingly. The reactions towards yourself and others are one of the most interesting things to investigate. And then I'm talking not only about human relationships, but also technical. Ponder that for a moment if you are symbolically inclined and don't always have to take everything literally, like the fundamentalists of all camps...

    78. Re:Can they do that? by itsanx · · Score: 1

      I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say except for one thing - "truth is irrelevant in dealing with reality". Truth is certainly relevant in dealing with reality for those who believe there is such a thing as truth while letting authorities like scientists, priests or politicians monopolize that truth. Human error can never be removed from any equation (unless absolute truth is discovered), but hopefully it can be decreased to such an extent that it no longer represents a threat to us.

    79. Re:Can they do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just so you know, human error is being removed already. many flights happen every day with no pilot interaction. Computer respond to incident much fast then people.

      That simply isn't the case and a commonly repeated myth
      http://blog.expertflyer.com/expertflyer/2011/09/ask-the-pilot-series-part-3-of-6-cockpit-automation/

    80. Re:Can they do that? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when you've got two older cars, they both remained intact and the occupants got jostled.

      An older car vs. a new car, however, is a different story. I saw an old Mercedes (always built like tanks, granted) side-swipe a late model Toyota pickup recently (half ton weight class). It was fantastic: the entire front end of the truck was collapsed, and engine bay parts went everywhere. There was only a little bumper scuffing on the Mercedes. I've got a friend who's 80s Chevy truck has hit literal dozens of deer and a fully grown cow (at highway speeds) and you can't even tell except denting on the front bumper. Nowadays, it's almost every month during the fall and winter that I hear about someone's brand new pickup getting totaled by a deer in a front-on collision...

      So yeah, I'll take an older vehicle. I'll be safe, and be able to continue on to wherever it is I'm going in the event that I get rear-ended in traffic or someone ignores my vehicle as they try to merge illegally (which happened a month ago). I don't really care about the 'aesthetic' of the vehicle, so I didn't get it repaired - and I didn't need to, because it wasn't much more than body denting. I believe the other vehicle had a tire which popped on my bumper, their hood couldn't shut, the entire side panel was damaged, their bumper was exploded, and they were leaking fluid (probably gas). Excellent safety!

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    81. Re:Can they do that? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      IN you example the system would realize it wasn't on the correct road in microseconds. It and probably adjust.

      My only error was in talking about the driver being stuck. In a driverless vehicle that failed, there would be nobody there with the vehicle. Just a vehicle stuck under an overpass.

      You ASSUME that the system is perfect and that the computer in the car would "realize" (very anthropomorphic, by the way) that it wasn't on the right street. Just like the tens or hundreds of examples of bogus map data in modern GPS has alerted the driver that he wasnt on the right road. We have examples of existing failure modes that we can't get rid of. You go to the extreme when you assume that the data being used in a driverless vehicle will be perfect.

      And it would use laser finder to determine the actual bridge position, not read some damn sign.

      I wasn't the one who brought up OCRing the bridge sign.

      Driver less cars will mean a lot fewer accidents.

      In your perfect world of perfect systems and perfect data. The rest of us live in the real world and understand the saying "to err is human, to really screw it up takes a computer..."

  2. School bus racing, yeah! by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Funny

    cars that can autonomously pick up kids from school and be switched into 'sport mode,' where 'the vehicle may navigate through turns at the maximum speed that is safe.'

    This is definitely going to be an improvement over those interminably long, boring bus rides I've known as a kid. Think of the children - support hyperspeed school buses!

    1. Re:School bus racing, yeah! by idontgno · · Score: 1

      support hyperspeed school buses!

      I think we've seen how this ends.

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    2. Re:School bus racing, yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My bus driver in High School was the worst/scariest driver I have ever seen. She ("Mrs. Scott") Routinely ran red lights, tailgated, doubled the speed limits and is seemed like half or the turns she tried to get the bus on to two wheels.
      One day after school she didn;t show up, It turns out that she had totalled the bus. It didn't seem to cost her the job though. I am so surprisd that we didn't get tagged the four years she drove us.

    3. Re:School bus racing, yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may have these patents. Google has been interested in DARPA Challenge projects. The folks at Carnagie Mellon work with Google on some robotics projects, along with Standford, MIT, and other hubs for intelliegnce. But really? Its a bit future oriented. The autonomous world has much to revlove. The aviation world has de-evloved from autonomous to something called human-centered systems. They realized that no one was going to board a plane without a pilot. This is the Associate Systems concept for complex systems that work with humans, designed not to be autonomous but... design to be authority bounded by its operator. We can't expect rule and regs to be rewritten over even a 10 year period to include insurance for a driverless car. Our society will adopt intelligent systems which are not remotely controlled by humans, but are in the control of... a human master. This works within our society framework. Cars will not drive by themselves but YOU will be in the car and still repsonsible for commanding and conrolling the systems of the car. You can send texts and be lazy ....but if you tell the car to do something ....you're still liable. The technology I'm explaining is real and is here. A large venture group has purchased the rights to the most mature cognitive engine technology ever made. It's been researched for 20 years by DARPA and the other DoD groups. Your car will drive by itself but you will still be in the car and in control. No buses dropping off kids autonomously, thats the sci-fi talking. "Earl grey, no cream, no suguar"

  3. Precedent by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's quite the achievement turning an April Fool's joke into an actual product.

    1. Re:Precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's quite the achievement turning an April Fool's joke into an actual product.

      So there is reason to hope that I will get my Slashdot pony after all?

    2. Re:Precedent by a_hanso · · Score: 2

      I think I misunderstood the title. I was expecting this:

      System and Method for Making Untrue and Fantastical Claims Targeted at a Selected Individual on a Specific Calendar Date, Observing Said Individual's Reaction as a Group, Later Revealing the Claim to be Untrue and Further Observing the Individual's Embarrassment, Thereby Experiencing Enjoyment.

  4. Most tech patents are both legit AND a joke, so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there.

  5. Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is my Minority Report?

    I know the pre-cogs have it!!

    Wait... there is no minority report, but it still something crazy*

    * Half assed spoiler..

  6. Classic Bureaucracy Quote (Paraphrased) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We at the United States Patent Office do not have a sense of humor that we are aware of.

  7. busses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't spell it "busses". The only reason it's an "acceptable" spelling now is because so many schools spelled it wrong on their signs. (How's that for irony?)

    1. Re:busses by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Please don't spell it "busses". The only reason it's an "acceptable" spelling now is because so many schools spelled it wrong on their signs. (How's that for irony?)

      Why, is it spelled with three 's's'? (how the hell do you pluralize the letter 's'?)

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    2. Re:busses by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Why, is it spelled with three 's's'?

      Only if we're talking about a pathway for electric current to flow through [busses]. If we're discussing multi-passenger mass transit vehicles, there would only be two [buses]

      how the hell do you pluralize the letter 's'?

      http://theenglishspace.com/spelling/plurals-ending-s.html

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    3. Re:busses by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Well it technically is buses. "busses" is even highlighted as wrong by Chrome.

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    4. Re:busses by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If they're applying for a patent, it means that they must have some sufficiently viable method of producing the tech.

      No geniuses found in parent post....

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    5. Re:busses by Kjella · · Score: 1

      And of course when I make a snarky remark I also make a copy-paste fail. Yes, I should have used the preview button...

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    6. Re:busses by Fned · · Score: 1

      You add an "es" to the end of it. Ex: "buses".

    7. Re:busses by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No. The reason it's an acceptable spelling is that "buss" means to kiss very wetly and noisily. (Well, maybe not wetly.)

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  8. Nowhere near first public acknolowgement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The nuts over at 24 Hours of Lemons added a new class for driverless cars theis year, with special prizes and everything. So far there have been no entries :)

  9. Come the fuck on, Slashdot. by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
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    1. Re:Come the fuck on, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #4486. Welcome to Slashdot! Where editors are completely mindless morons.

  10. No joke by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    Google has been experimenting in self driving vehicles for years now, that part was not a April Fools joke.
    They might have joked about partnering with Nascar, but it actually sounds reasonable. And they very much are researching and building prototypes of driver-less vehicles.

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  11. Google smart by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    Patents aren't really intended for patenting ideas, so Google is smart for trying to sneak this one through during a time (i.e. "this century") when the patent office seems to approve anything if you pay for it. Smart. Evil, but smart. Someday the patent office will be corrected, and then they'll already have patented what other people had been working on for decades.

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  12. Cop cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope the cop cars fill up with foam during a crash and spit out tickets when you swear. Wonder if they'll patent that too? ;')

    1. Re:Cop cars by shentino · · Score: 1

      Only if you take me to dinner at Taco Bell on the way to the cryoprison.

  13. Prior Art by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Looks like Tesla (and the Nazi's) beat ya to it, Goog.

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    1. Re:Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whomever was first stealing Tesla's ideas should have patented it, considering how many has done it since.

  14. quick by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

    somebody patent the use of autonomous technology to allow a driver to partake in an interactive advertisement, or otherwise immersed in an advertisement experience that under standard non-autonymous conditions would be unsafe.

  15. Ummmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That wasn't an April Fools Joke. They have a self-driving car that has gone 200,000 miles in california. Their April Fools Joke was that google maps added nintendo mode.

  16. I don't get this post by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

    Ummmm, we've known that google was working on autonomous cars LONG before this April fools day. The entire point of the joke was that they 1. Are working on this technology. 2. Joke being about Nascar having a driverless google car. I don't see the point of this post. If the joke was that they were going to be putting Google Glasses on penguins in the north pole, would this post been about how their Aprili fools joke is leading to Augmented reality glasses?

  17. Sounds like Feynman... by Bazzargh · · Score: 1

    In 'Surely you're joking' he describes the last days of the Manhattan project, where they made up patent ideas for nuclear everything (cars, planes, etc). They considered it a joke at the time. There's a copy of that bit of the story online here.

    However, if you did come up with some fundamental technology, and had the cash to file all the patents, it seems like a plan - though not for the inventor. Feynman's cut was just $1.

    1. Re:Sounds like Feynman... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken his idea was for a nuclear propelled space vehicle, not so absurd after all.

  18. love it by Stubot · · Score: 1

    "give law enforcement vehicles 'a limited amount of control over nearby vehicles." to be used only on suspects and criminals of course i.e., having a different opinion than that of the state.

  19. Limited Amount of Control -- For whom again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hackers will have broken the "limited amount of control" interface before law enforcement ever gets to use it.

    Even better, the criminals will have modified their vehicles to be immune to such control.

    Even better still? The sophisticated criminals will be able to exercise the "limited amount of control" over law enforcement vehicles.

    So while Mob Boss zooms away at 120 mph, the police will be stuck at 45 mph. How's that high speed chase looking now?

  20. So much for "Don't be evil" by jmcvetta · · Score: 0, Troll

    Google is the new Microsoft.

    1. Re:So much for "Don't be evil" by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1, Funny

      And, Apple is the new venereal disease. (watch how I get marked as a troll and this poster get's modded up).

    2. Re:So much for "Don't be evil" by schlachter · · Score: 1

      at least they're not the 'old' Microsoft. The 'new' one is much better. :P

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    3. Re:So much for "Don't be evil" by geekoid · · Score: 1

      yes, building automatic cars is just like MS.

      Idiot.

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    4. Re:So much for "Don't be evil" by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Filing overbroad patents is just like Microsoft.

      Tardmunch.

    5. Re:So much for "Don't be evil" by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      But are the patents actually overbroad, or is the three line summary overview of the patent that the media latches onto in order to make a story the only thing that's overbroad? Nobody can patent the concept of an autonomous car, only specific implementations of it.

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  21. Why is this news? by Tanman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did people suddenly forget all of the news regarding Google self-driving car technology? Did people honestly think a company would be publicly spending millions of dollars doing something like this and not patent it?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=google+self+driving+car&tbm=nws

    Here is a bunch more "news" about google's self-driving cars.

    1. Re:Why is this news? by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but, it's Google and their like evil and stuff. Plus, you try to come up with interesting titles for useless stories!

  22. April Fools? slashdot. by MrShaggy · · Score: 1

    Does that mean /. will trade-mark the "OMG ita PONIEEZ"

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  23. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I call prior art... Watch the jetsons.

  24. Automatic lawnmowers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't automatic lawnmowers already exist? Hasn't someone been making them for a few years now?

  25. Automatic Farm Equipment by tomhath · · Score: 3, Informative

    This appears to be a leaked video of Google's Autonomous Farm Equipment

  26. Insightful, really? by Niscenus · · Score: 1

    The description suggests a risk of prior art being easy (I'll bet a number of slashdotters have automated lawn mowers and even more have vacuums). However, the patent trolling RIM got a few years back shows you don't have to DO anything to file a patent on an idea, just get there first. People who couldn't even afford to SeaLaunch a satellite described wireless communication devices that people might use for email exchange and ten years later, someone they sold it to, who had then been bought by another company, well, that 'nother company said, "Hey, we own blackberry. I bet we can extort some cash."

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    1. Re:Insightful, really? by Golddess · · Score: 1

      I'll bet a number of slashdotters have automated lawn mowers

      Was gonna make a comment about "and they didn't even need to build it themselves!", with the intent to link back to a story on /. about automated lawn mowers, but my google-fu fails me, so beginning to wonder if I imagined seeing such a story.

      (TFS didn't mention vacuums, which is why I didn't include that portion of GP's post and did not also mention the Roomba, which has shown up on /. a few times.)

      (In before conspiracy theories about Google pulling search results to hide prior art.)

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  27. Previous April Fools Jokes by retroworks · · Score: 1

    You can't patent anything which debuts on April 1. Since 1921, the US Patent and Trade Office has rejected any patent filed on the first of April.

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  28. focused on human error? by schlachter · · Score: 1

    You forget that there are plenty of non human things that can go wrong:
    A) Electronics can fail. Even redundant systems can fail.
    B) Mechanics can fail in a way that the electronics aren't programmed to handle.
    C) Environmental/External factors (i.e. EMP, sunflares, viruses, trojans, etc) can corrupt the required processing/communications.

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    1. Re:focused on human error? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      How many planes crash on a yearly basis due to these non-human error failures? These seem to be all the same issues that airplanes would have to deal with also. Honestly, I'd like to know the statistics. I have a feeling it's a very, very low rate.

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    2. Re:focused on human error? by ickleberry · · Score: 1

      How many planes crash on a yearly basis due to these non-human error failures

      There was one yesterday

    3. Re:focused on human error? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it was such a rare occurrence that it made national news. What are the yearly statistics on these kind of events? I really want to know.

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  29. open sourcing it by schlachter · · Score: 3, Informative

    They're waiting on Google to open source their autonomous car OS...so that Google can make money on the ads it can display to your surfing the web, checking email, or watching youtube videos...instead of driving.

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    1. Re:open sourcing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the money they will make on monitoring every aspect of the car and where it goes, and connecting that with your Google account.

      If Google also make a deal with auto manufacturers (as part of the licencing agreement or something) to gather data from other systems in the car, they could get a lot of information about the people inside as well.

      If the cars are not completely autonomous, for safety reasons or because people want the ability to sometimes drive themselves, then it would be plausible that alcolocks would be installed. That way, the car would be aware of wether the driver (whose GoogleID they already have) tries to drive while being intoxicated or not.

  30. What are we calling a joke here? by Torodung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because right now, the real April Fool's day joke is the entire U.S. Patent Office, and they seem to think April first lasts all year.

    It's sad that I thought of that as gallows humor at first, but quickly came to the conclusion that it's roughly congruent with my actual opinion about all these legal entities girding their loins for patent wars. The system was meant to foster invention by protecting the private rewards of individual ingenuity, and the will to bring a product to market (not necessarily by the inventor). Patents were never intended to be stockpiled in this fashion. The system is being abused, and the USPTO is legally bound to obey laws desperately in need of legislative review and reform. Maybe it's Congress that is the joke here.

    Of course, Google's leadership is smart enough that it's just possible they're trying to demonstrate how broken this is, by hastening its collapse. No CEO or board can possibly like the escalating Mutual Assured Destruction environment that is brewing in corporate conglomerate patent holdings. It's extremely volatile, and an unstable way to do business.

  31. Thank you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for using Johnny Cab! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjRXyWFLkEY&feature=player_embedded

  32. Melbourne cop's by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    Sometimes you have to fight arseholes with arseholes. I think Melbourne's cops are doing a great job in that respect!

    Since the time I started HS (1969) to the present, I have seen Melbourne's cops become more and more strict on road rules, especially drinking and speeding. The number of cars on the road must be at least 10x what it was back then. However the road toll in that same time period has been reduced by ~80%. Yes, seatbelts and other technical meausres are part of that, but they are not the full story since comprable situations elsewhere that have not implemented things like cameras and booze busses to the extent we have, have not seen such a dramatic improvement.

    OTOH I have great memories of (legally) driving down (a 2 lane) springvale rd at 90mph in a red bettle to go fishing at Chelsea after dad knocked of work. Freedom lost and security gained, not because of any conspiracy, it's simply because the number of people on this rock has more than doubled since I was born. More people means a greater effort is required to keep basic order in a society that is only getting more congested and claustrophobic over time. Civilization itself is a 'recent' freedom limiting invention and is a direct result of our remarkable tool-making ability. We have not evolved to live in cities of millions and tribes of hunderds of millions, our 'souls' and instincts were built by nature to work in tribes of 1-200 individuals and are still somewhat confused by all this, but the tool-maker inside us all insist he can fix the civilization tool with yet more tools.

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  33. Prior art by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    In this case, there is plenty of prior art. Even Walt Disney had future movies out on this in the 1960s. Not that the patent examiner would know or care.

  34. Ahh the patent system... by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    Where any moron can shit out an idea, and just kick back and wait for someone else to eventually do all the hard work bringing it to life, just to be sued out of existence by original shithead who had a dream, but in reality barley has the skills to wipe their own ass.

    Its like that fucktard on development forums that has the best game ever created by man in his mind, and is willing to give you credit for actually writing the god damned thing, except the patent system is not even THAT sweet of a deal.

    God bless America

  35. Good if... by fatp · · Score: 1

    This stops others, especially Slashdot, from publishing fake April Fool stories

  36. NON-MOTORIZED TRAFFIC PROHIBITED by tepples · · Score: 1

    Not all roads are limited access super-highways. I do most of my driving on surface streets.

    And a lot of other people live and work in different towns to exploit the higher wages in one locality and the lower real estate cost in another. They might have a 50 mile commute to work, most of which is on a limited access interstate highway.

    Until you make it illegal for pedestrians to enter the roadway

    From signs posted at the on-ramps to interstate highways where I live:

    PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES,
    MOTORIZED BICYCLES,
    NON-MOTORIZED TRAFFIC
    PROHIBITED

  37. How badly is the US patent system broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, really badly...

    I work for a tier-one cell phone manufacturer, with literally billions of devices in use all over the world. I attended a patent workshop for the company recently, and the word is that

    1. You only need an idea to get a patent for an "invention".
    2. You don't need to have created a gizmo that implements the "invention"
    3. It doesn't even need to be implementable using current technology.
    4. Let the lawyers deal with the patent detail cruft.

    I hold a US patent, and it was for technology that I alone created, and implemented before the application was made. It still took 4 years and a lot of attorney time to get through the process. So, is the US patent office and process broken? You're danged skippy it is!

  38. The real April Fools by BlkRb0t · · Score: 1

    are the people. Not belittling Google or anyone in particular here, just a rant about how the patent system is turning out to be. So much innovation lost to the obvious patents that go around these days. For the patent office every day is an April Fools' Day.

  39. Patent Magic Bullshit by eyenot · · Score: 1

    How come I can't just patent magical bullshit?

    I thought that patents were supposed to be accompanied by diagrams and schematics, full explanations of how the thing worked. That way, if somebody came up with a different way -- their own way -- to accomplish the same thing, they wouldn't have to pay on your patent and society could continue to improve technology.

    If things are enforced that way, there's really nothing wrong with patenting and it really doesn't stifle progress.

    But the way things have been the last twenty years is just stupid as hell. You can just patent concepts, now? Without any physical approximation of how they'll ever come about? You can just say "oh yeah well I patent flying carpets" and throw in some jargon "well of course they will utilize levitational leverage and will maneuver by means of hover redirection S.M.A.R.T. controls" and get it patented?

    Well I call bullshit. In fact, I call Magic Bullshit(tm)!

    That's fucking right. You can't have AAAANYY of this. Once real actual Magic Bullshit comes around to this universe you're all going to be had because *I'M* going to collect all the money from its usage and you'll ALL have to use it or you'll be left behiiiiind.

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  40. Googlespiracy Collapses by Niscenus · · Score: 1

    "Building a Homebrew Robotic Lawnmower?" was easy to find for me, Mailbox-Head ;oP

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    1. Re:Googlespiracy Collapses by Golddess · · Score: 1

      I know you can already get these

      Ah.. I see. I didn't even bother clicking the results to read TFSs, thinking they were all about building your own. That may have been the story I was remembering.

      That'll teach me to just gloss over search results. :P

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