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How James Cameron Pumped Volume Into Titanic

MrSeb writes with ExtremeTech's account of how director (and deep sea explorer) James Cameron spent a reported $18 million converting his blockbuster movie, Titantic, to 3D. The article "looks at the primary way of managing depth in 3D films (parallax), how you add depth to a movie that was originally filmed in 2D, and some of the software (both computer and human-brain) difficulties that Cameron had to overcome in the more-than-two-year process to convert Titanic into 3D."

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  1. Wonderful, but... by Brooklynoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...who really wanted to see Titanic in 3D?

    1. Re:Wonderful, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everyone's wife, mother, sister, girlfriend, etc.

    2. Re:Wonderful, but... by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You haven't ever wondered what a young Kate Winslets breasts and pubic mound looked like in 3d?

    3. Re:Wonderful, but... by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope, but even then this won't show you.

      This is that crappy cut-out-silhouettes pseudo-3d. Think paper dolls at various depths, but each individual doll is flat.

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    4. Re:Wonderful, but... by djl4570 · · Score: 4, Funny

      What? The diamond of unusual size?

    5. Re:Wonderful, but... by Tastecicles · · Score: 4, Funny

      AvP: What Really Happened on Titanic. Directed by Michael Bay.

      Kill me now.

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    6. Re:Wonderful, but... by Ironhandx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thats more creative accounting than anything. It cost 208 million, marketing, accounting, everything included.

      Hollywood companies publish the real numbers in their shareholders reports, one of which happened directly before the titanic movie was released in theatres.

      It was only after the fact that they came up with the other shit. Like they always do.

      If you talk to anyone, ever, who was due a cut of profits in hollywood, they'll tell you their film lost money. Yet somehow Warner, Universal, Sony etc manage to stay in business and have so much cash that they can spend upwards of 100m a year just on people to talk to people in washington.

      If you look at the records, almost every single film they produce loses money. The ones that don't make a very meager profit.

    7. Re:Wonderful, but... by aztektum · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not my wife or girlfriend, thankfully.

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    8. Re:Wonderful, but... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Titanic works for both men and women. For women, it's pretty obviously a love story about the poor little rich girl who falls in love with a man beneath her social stature and the trials and tribulations that they go through to be together.

      For men, it has explosions, breasts, and a snobs versus the slobs storyline--think "Caddyshack on the High Seas."

      See? It has everything!

    9. Re:Wonderful, but... by Forever+Wondering · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. 3D has failed big time, but Titanic 3D is attracting lots of people. I made a separate comment about it: Is it because it's Titanic the movie or is it that it is in 3D? Would a re-release of the original movie be a big hit?

      3D has not failed big time. Avatar at $1.6B is one of the most successful films of all time.

      I think it's fair to point out that people were saying the same thing about color TV in the 1960's: It's a fad--who needs it.

      If you adjusted the color for one station/network so that flesh tones were natural, they were yellow on other channels because there was no agreed upon standard on which to base this and each network did its own thing. Eventually, the standards were developed and each station/network adopted them, which is why, today, you can channel surf and never need to adjust it [if you even can on a modern TV set].

      It took at least a decade to achieve this, perhaps longer.

      The same thing happened when "colorization" technology first arrived. Originally, it was used [badly] to colorize B&W movies because someone [Ted Turner] thought that people would not watch B&W movies anymore. A particularly horrific attempt was the colorization of the [original] Edmund O'Brien version of D.O.A.

      Eventually, it was realized that this was a solution in search of a problem. And the true problem to be solved by this technology was eventually discovered: restoral of faded color films. In fact, even B&W films benefit from this. Look at any recent DVD releases of classic films and you'll usually see that the entire film has been "digitally remastered".

      I can assure you that there are many players in the video technology field that are placing heavy longterm investments on 3D.

      Also, there are advantages to shooting a movie in 3D, even you only ever intend to release it in 2D (e.g. better control of depth of focus, etc.). Thus, 3D will be here to stay [as will shooting digitally vs film], if only for mastering/editing.

      Something that was once known as "Seward's Folly" is now known as something called "Alaska" ...

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    10. Re:Wonderful, but... by MDillenbeck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just got done watching a Research Channel vid on youtube with Neil deGrasse Tyson. In it he told a story about Titanic where he talked about Cameron using a sub to check out the details of the Titanic to keep it authentic. However, with the scene near the end why the kid chooses to drown, he noticed that the night sky was not only wrong but the left side was a mirror of the right side. Thus, Tyson wrote Cameron a letter about it. Later, he met up with Cameron and decided to bring up the point, and Cameron mentioned how many billions it made and asked how much more the right sky would make him. Yet, that is not the end of the story. Years later Tyson gets a call - its some Hollywood type who says he's working with Cameron on updating Titanic and that Tyson would have a night sky for him. His next words had so much heartfelt emotion in them "YES!".

      So, I guess anyone who wants to see Tyson's accurate night sky will go and see it...

    11. Re:Wonderful, but... by MDillenbeck · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd much rather see Rodents of Unusual Size in 3D.... but then again, they don't exist. ;)

    12. Re:Wonderful, but... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...who really wanted to see Titanic in 3D?

      I never understood the public's continued fascination with the Titanic.

      As for the 3D movies, please quit going to see them, so they'll let the format die.

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    13. Re:Wonderful, but... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, it's there. Love the updated soundtrack.

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    14. Re:Wonderful, but... by jalefkowit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reason is called "home video." Before the VCR came along, studios would periodically do revival showings of popular older films in theaters. But when home video made the entire Hollywood back catalog available for viewing anywhere anytime, the economic rationale for re-releasing classics in theaters disappeared.

    15. Re:Wonderful, but... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's because almost every movie loses money. The industry is rather infamous for their dodgy accounting practices - it's a hollywood tradition. If there are no profits, there is nothing to tax.

    16. Re:Wonderful, but... by jalefkowit · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, but titles that never made it to home video are unlikely to ever have been revived in theaters, either. Song of the South, for instance, has been suppressed because Disney is embarrassed about its racist content; it's hard to imagine that if home video suddenly disappeared Disney would ever consent to it being shown in theaters.

    17. Re:Wonderful, but... by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You left out Titanic buffs in general, which I was years before the 1997 movie came out.

      Sure, its attention to historical facts and details is secondary to the melodramatic love story, but they did an incredible technical job showing the ship going down. The ship is as much a character as the others, and watching it slowly die in the most realistic depiction to date was technically fascinating while emotionally gut-wrenching, in much the same way many Star Trek fans were devastated when the original Enterprise was destroyed in The Search for Spock.

  2. Most importantly, are Kate Winslet's tits in 3d? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing else matters if they can't get naked Kate to look right.

  3. Depth by NoobixCube · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I said that movie lacked depth...

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    1. Re:Depth by RussR42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought depth was kind of the problem... The Titanic had too much.

  4. Re:How much to make a good Titanic ride at Univers by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, yes. Let's take an incident that killed 1,500 people in the frozen waters of the North Atlantic and make it a ride. It's bad enough that Cameron turned the tragedy into some bogus "love story" - that scene in the water with Winslet and DiCaprio makes me want to puke - then the woman ditches the necklace into the open water with an "oops". Call me jaded, but I think the movie is a bigger tragedy than the actual event.

    I'm guessing you're not going to like the "Springtime For Hitler" Experience either. Sort of like "Pirates of the Carribean", only with Nazis.

  5. Titanic Super 3D by tangent3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Check out the (parody) trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M

  6. Re:make or break by dmomo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I saw this movie, not out of my own free will. I was impressed with the 3D. It was good, not over done and I could not believe it wasn't filmed that way.

    It wasn't just a cheap shoe-horning of objects onto differing planes. I still don't think the 3d added value, but the tech itself was done right.

  7. Re:Most importantly, are Kate Winslet's tits in 3d by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    My wife made me go see it with her. For the record, they were glorious.

  8. Everyone wonders why? Here's why by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They spent 18 million reworking it to 3D. I haven't seen a lot of publicity so it's unlikely they spent more than 18 million for prints and advertizing. They made 17.4 million on the opening weekend just on domestic box office. It almost certainly will make 50 million domestic and could hit a 100 million although somewhere in the middle is more likely. Foreign is less for 3D but it sold strong overseas so it could match the US take. Break the numbers down and for a 36 million investment they get around 50 to 100 million back after you factor out the theater take. They either double or triple their money and that doesn't factor in a spike in DVD and Blu-rays since they are likely to also release a special addition. The studios are in it to make money not films. Why risk 18 million on a film that could bomb when they make 30 to 70 million in profit by recycling a hit? Disney survived through many bleak years after Walt died re-releasing old animated films.

  9. Re:shit as slashdot by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    The more I use slashdot the more I think it's turning into shit

    I wish there was something anything better

    Any recommendations out there? Anonymous responses are ok. Thanx much.

    Have you tried Slashdot 3D?

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  10. The problem is 3D sucks by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it were real 3D, sure then everyone would be all about it. If you could get a real 3D display, they'd be the Next Big Thing(tm). However the "3D with glasses" shit we have now is nothing new. It has been tried at least twice before by my count and failed badly both times. There are multiple problems:

    1) You have to wear glasses. If you don't it is an unwatchable mess. So you can't just have something in 3D playing on your TV and have people wander in and out. Also all the glasses have downsides. The polarized ones lose the 3D effect if you tilt your head too much, the shutter ones flicker a bit and require power, the analgyphic ones fuck with colour.

    2) For the polarized and shutter glasses, they kill brightness and hurt contrast ratio. They are like wearing ND4 or worse filters on your eyes. So you take a nice bright digital projection screen, put those on and it is kinda dim. Only thing to be done is to just overpower it with even more brightness but that isn't always feasible.

    3) There is no parallax. As you shift your view and position, everything stays static, because they only provide image separation. They don't provide parallax so shit looks wrong.

    4) There is no focus. Everything is in the same plane of focus. This only works if everything is at or beyond your infinity focal point. If anything gets closer, your brain gets confused.

    It is a half-assed 3D implementation, as I said tried before (Disneyland had a 3D Micheal Jackson flick years ago as an example). It isn't a real 3D display. You show me the display that can get all the aspects of 3D, separation, parallax, and focus, and can do so without wearing something, you've got the next big thing in displays. Until then, it isn't going anywhere.