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Coming to an Ice Cream Shop Near You: Soft Serve Beer

Cazekiel writes "Sticking a mug in your freezer to ensure a cold beer may be made obsolete, if the Japanese brewing giant Kirin has anything to do about it. How? Kirin came up with a way to create frozen beer foam, dispensed the way you would a soft-serve ice cream cone. Gizmag gives us the details: 'To make the topping, regular Ichiban beer is frozen to -5 degrees Celsius (23 degrees Fahrenheit) while air is continuously blown into it. It's kind of like when a child makes bubbles in their drink, except inside a blast freezer. Once the topping is placed onto regular, unfrozen beer though, it acts as an insulating lid and keeps the drink cold for 30 minutes.'" Might make flavorless rice lagers easier to go down, but what about real beer? A hefeweizen under an ice cap on a warm summer afternoon? How about an entire glass full of frozen chocolate stout?

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  1. Ice anyone? by CoderExpert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why they don't just put ice on the beer like every normal person in Thailand does?

    1. Re:Ice anyone? by DC2088 · · Score: 2

      Why would you ruin your beer with frozen *water*?

    2. Re:Ice anyone? by CoderExpert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it keeps it nicely cold. The beers are stronger (6.7%) to begin with. With temperature of 30-40 celsius beer gets warm really quickly. Ice helps with that, and it doesn't really ruin it.

    3. Re:Ice anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't the whole point that the ice is made of beer, so it doesn't water it down? The problem I see is having to buy the same type of beer ice as the beer you.

      Why not just use those rock cubes that you can get for whisky that you stick in the freezer? You might need a bigger glass so that you don't displace the beer. And they'd need to be smooth enough that ey don't flatten the beer by nucleating too many bubbles too quickly.

    4. Re:Ice anyone? by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Funny

      Assuming it's American commercial beer, the additional water content from melting ice is statistically insignificant.

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    5. Re:Ice anyone? by Algae_94 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is there this dick waving contest to make ever stronger beers? If you really need to get your drink on, have another beer, have some wine, or liquor. There's nothing wrong with a beer just because there's a different one with a higher alcohol content.

    6. Re:Ice anyone? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      They would be like whiskey rocks, I assume. They're rocks (or sometimes metal cubes) that you freeze and drop into drinks you don't want diluted.

      Whiskey isn't carbonated, so this would likely result in an explosion of foam. If the metal ones were smooth enough it might not, but that also might hamper their effectiveness. Also, the stone ones (like the ones I have) are usually a soft stone like soapstone, that wont damage the glass when dropped in. I guess the metal ones would have rounded edges.

      But the real answer is for people to step up from pisswater beers that don't need to be right at freezing to be drinkable. :)

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    7. Re:Ice anyone? by pulski · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem with that is that the stones (Soapstone) only are really good at lightly chilling small amounts of liquid. Your Scotch/Whiskey will not be ice cold, just chilled, and only if you pour it in small quantities.

      I bought my stones with that idea in mind, but it just doesn't work out. They are fantastic for what they were designed for though.

    8. Re:Ice anyone? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good beer should taste good at room temperature. And watering down beer definitely ruins it.

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    9. Re:Ice anyone? by bemymonkey · · Score: 2

      And to be fair, they mostly only drink Chang ("Elephant brand" beer) this way. I played on an ice hockey team with a bunch of Thai dudes in Bangkok for a few months, and Chang beer with ice was their drink of choice after practice... the other stuff was usually shotgunned straight out of the can ;)

    10. Re:Ice anyone? by soapdude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Speak for yourself. I like hoppy beers (well, I like all beers). I like the feeling of not knowing if I just had a sip of beer or I just bit into a grapefruit rind. And no. No sarcasm was intended here.

    11. Re:Ice anyone? by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 2

      You don't drink the slush - it's only in the neck of the bottle - the ice-cold beer filters through the slush in the neck. On a really hot summer day, it's ... well, just try it.

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    12. Re:Ice anyone? by Quirkz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I personally prefer never to have an experience that might be confused with biting into a grapefruit rind, but I will firmly uphold your right to do so if you wish.

    13. Re:Ice anyone? by CaptainLugnuts · · Score: 2

      So sayeth Lucas, the prince of darkness.

    14. Re:Ice anyone? by DiogoBiazus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nothing tastes good at room temperature when it's above 30 celsius!

    15. Re:Ice anyone? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed, the keeping chickens is on the rise here in the U.S., and any woman who wishes to breed chickens for food would need to have at least one cock.

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    16. Re:Ice anyone? by hawk · · Score: 2

      We're still trying to figure out why anyone would put ice in good whiskey, and now you suggest doing it to beer, to?

      Argh

      hawk

    17. Re:Ice anyone? by JDevers · · Score: 2

      Same experience here. A few summers ago we hosted a party for about 40-50 people, mostly 20-45 year olds from work. I stocked the liquor cabinet and devoted the whole fridge to a great variety of different beers. It was only in the mid-80s, but at the end of the day very little of the beer in the inside refrigerator had been drank (mostly by my brother in law and myself). The garage fridge I keep stocked with Bud Light and some wheat beer for drinking while working in the yard and garden was nearly empty though.

      Completely blew my mind. I drink the stuff when I am sweating my ass off and don't want to further dehydrate myself, don't see much other use for it. Oh well, I guess diversity is what makes the world go round...

    18. Re:Ice anyone? by Demolition · · Score: 2

      Because it keeps it nicely cold. The beers are stronger (6.7%) to begin with. With temperature of 30-40 celsius beer gets warm really quickly. Ice helps with that, and it doesn't really ruin it.

      The way to keep your beer from warming up is to drink it faster. The positive side effect to this tactic is that you get to drink more beer.

      Yay! Problem solved. :-)

  2. Real beer? by slyrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would consider Kirin to be real beer. They do also make a Happoshu but the actual beer they make isn't bad. Beer is a very diverse drink and there are many kinds and types. I wouldn't ever consider one type to be more 'real' than others. Regardless it would still be interesting to try this technique for frozen beer foam on all of the different types of beers.

    1. Re:Real beer? by hal2814 · · Score: 4, Funny

      First they came for the American lager
      And I didn't speak out because I don't like Bud Light
      Then they came for the mass-produced European lagers
      And I didn't speak out because I don't have the money to blow on fancy schmancy imports.
      Then they came for the stouts.
      And I didn't speak up. Do I look Irish to you?
      Then they came for the IPA's.
      And it was about damn time. I like hops but I don't like to rub them in my eyeballs while I'm drinking beer.
      But then they came for the Kolsch.
      And there was no one left to speak out for me.

  3. This is nothing new by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 2

    Ben and Jerry's has an ice cream recipe book (probably still sells on Amazon), which includes among many other flavors, BEER SORBET *yum*.

  4. Most beer is too cold already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The only beer that merits consumption at anything close to "cold" are the thin, watery excuses produced by the Big 3 breweries in the USA (Larry, Moe and Curly, AKA Miller, Bud and Coors) Real beer needs to be chilled nicely but served in the 45-55 degree range for the flavors to be enjoyed.

    1. Re:Most beer is too cold already by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm confused: When did Miller, Bud and Coors start selling beer? I thought their product was slightly alcoholic water.

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    2. Re:Most beer is too cold already by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I thought their product was slightly alcoholic water."
      As a Whiskey drinker, that's what I think of all beers.

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    3. Re:Most beer is too cold already by eltonito · · Score: 2

      Big 3? More like "Big 1.5"

      Miller and Coors (as we think of it in the USA) merged in 2008, making them effectively one brewery in the USA. "Bud" isn't even a brewer, but a brand within AB-InBev, which is about as American as moules-frites. I suppose I'll give you half-credit for that one.

      That correction made, I will concur with the remainder of your post.

  5. Guiness by midtowng · · Score: 2

    Guiness and Boddingtons would be the perfect beer for this. Something rich and thick. Forget the lagers.

    1. Re:Guiness by mycroft822 · · Score: 2

      These beers only have that thick mouth feel because they use nitrogen instead of good ol' CO2. I would guess that the process described above would remove most of either of those from the beer.

  6. Re:Brain Freeze Redefined by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    Even the CSI team couldn't find brains at a fraternity party.

  7. Re:News for nerds, stuff that matters? by Moheeheeko · · Score: 2

    Everyone knows the best coding is done while drunk, get with it man!

  8. Re:excuse me? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    Indeed. When I think "flavorless rice lager", I think Budweiser.

  9. Flavorless rice lagers by XiaoMing · · Score: 5, Informative

    Might make flavorless rice lagers easier to go down, but what about real beer?

    Considering how this is a pretty neat idea that is not only a pretty big step beyond just ice-cubes made of beer both texturally (frozen foam), and thermodynamically, I'm not sure why the author felt it would be necessary to even remotely knock it in such a retarded manner when...

    Let's take a look at America's top 5 domestics shall we:
    1. Bud light
    2. Budweiser
    3. Miller Light
    4. Coors Light
    5. Corona Extra
    http://www.fiveoclockdallas.com/five-most-popular-beers-us

    I'm not sure if OP has ever tried such a beer, but it's pretty flavorful compared to the 5 variants of piss I just listed. And considering how well the Japanese rice beers actually pair with sushi (which is probably where 99% of that exposure will occur in the states), I'd say it's pretty well suited to its purpose.

    Then again, it's also fair to say that the domestic Top5 is pretty well suited to their purpose, given that they all pair pretty well with ping-pong balls.

  10. Chocolate Terminator Milkshake by khr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about an entire glass full of frozen chocolate stout?

    That reminds me of the McMenamins pubs in Portland, Oregon that serve a milkshake with their Terminator stout in it. It's a delicious combination!

    1. Re:Chocolate Terminator Milkshake by Jeng · · Score: 2

      The Alamo Drafthouse chain of cinemas, primarily in Texas, serve a Guinness Milkshake.

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  11. Bring this Guinness back freezing cold! by Loosifur · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I didn't know gazpacho soup was meant to be served cold. I called over the chef and I told him to take it away and bring it back hot. He did! The looks on their faces still haunt me today! I thought they were laughing at the chef, when all the time they were laughing at me as I ate my piping hot gazpacho soup! I never ate at the captain's table again. That was the end of my career."

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  12. Re:Kirin's not bad by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    At about $10 for a 12 OZ bottle, you would be a fool to freeze your 120 minute.

    I love Dogfish, but that this just a bit ridiculous.

    As an avid homebrewer, I have a 120 minute clone that is about to go into secondary (I used some of my wife's home grown hops!) I suspect it will be much better.

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  13. Despite Coors' Best Efforts... by nrozema · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... "cold" is not a flavor.

  14. Re:Kirin's not bad by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    I used the one on Homebrew Chef (halved the recipe... what would I do with 10 gallons of 120m other than eventually get arrested?), substituted my wife's hops for the Amarillo.... also I own the cheapest oxygenation kit I could find.

    www.homebrewchef.com/120minuteIPArecipe.html

    I think it is going to be awesome. Warning this recipe is a commitment, and by far the most advanced I have yet attempted. There are some nice (and easier!) 90 minute clones out there as well. Also over at Hopville there is a nice all grain (Great Divide Brewing Company) Titan clone I am itching to try.

    Long live the hops!

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  15. Shades of a failed experiment by shogarth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of a time we were in the field and our beer got unappetizingly warm. Due to the kind of work we were doing, we had plenty of liquid nitrogen but insufficient refrigerator space for our liquid refreshments. One evening a member of the team decided he wanted a very cold Guinness and so poured about 250 ml of liquid nitrogen into his glass of beer.

    Of course the nitrogen changed state but the surprise (to us anyway) was that the gas caused the beer to freeze sightly slower that it foamed. Within a few seconds, there was a meter or so of frozen beer foam standing up out of the glass. It was completely undrinkable (being in solid form), but wasn't bad if eaten with a spoon; which had to happen quickly as it started to melt immediately.

    Moral: Don't send a bunch of twenty-something researchers into the desert for weeks on end without proper cooling equipment.

  16. Re:So basically... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    Not all real beers with flavor are particularly bitter... they're just not watered-down-just-a-hint-of-piss U.S. Macrobrews.

    Also lots of adults enjoy a bitter flavor -- I say adults just because this is usually a taste that develops later. If it was just about getting shit faced vodka does the job much more efficiently. Nope, I likes my bitter beers because I likes my bitter beers.

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  17. What this really is by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 2

    What this really is, is beer for people who don't like beer. I am a beer enthusiast (not quite a beer snob... yet), and I can tell you that the last thing real beer lovers want is ultra-cold, crapified beer. Don't we have enough beer for people who don't actually like beer? Like all American-style macrobrewed lagers (Bud, Bud Lite, Miller Lite, Coors, and most everything made by Anheuser or Miller-Coors), most Canadian beers (including most all of them exported to the US), Corona, most malt liquors, etc.

    Most cheap, common beers are pretty crappy examples of their respective styles. They are generally watery, taste more of adjuncts than hops or barley malt, 4.2%-5.9% alcohol, piss yellow, over carbonated, and meant to be served so cold as to mask what little flavor there is. I'll pass on this frozen beer BS, though I bet plenty of idiots who swear by Bud Light will be all over it.

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