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Ask Slashdot: My Company Wants Me To Astroturf, Should I?

An anonymous reader writes "Posting as AC for obvious reasons. The company I work for put an app in an app store. The marketing people think it isn't selling very well, so they sent out an email asking people to get on all their social media sites and friend or like the app to build up traffic. The thing is, most of the employees have not used the app, but we are being asked to say that we like it. We just saw stories about companies not being allowed to ask employees or interview candidates for access to social sites, but what does it mean when a company asks employees to astroturf? Will the marketing or HR people look at who has astroturfed, and who has not at raise time? How would you deal with this?"

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  1. Find another job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    liars are liars.

    1. Re:Find another job by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the nub - if you're enthusiastic about the product and talk about it in a non-spammy way, in context, then it's not astroturfing, and it's arguably better advertising. I used to work as a science book buyer and wrote a blog reviewing the coolest ones I read, with due disclosure of the job I did. It gave a lot of publicity to the product I was selling.

      Go posting spam on boards and twitter or whatever and it's not only annoying, it's just plain unimaginative on your bosses' part.

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    2. Re:Find another job by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, I mean, if you don't even minutely like the product you're working on, you probably should find another job.

      You had a hand in the product, no? There's some minor level of satisfaction, correct? That's all they're asking you to do: tell the world about the product.

      On the other hand, if you want to keep your purity intact by not pimping a horrible product, how pure are you by taking income which comes from the sale of said product?

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  2. Are you loyal? by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Putting the obvious moral issues aside, how loyal to this company are you? If the answer is "not very" then I think you already know what you should be doing (i.e, looking for another place of employment). If, however, you are a loyal employee, then suck it up & just do what they ask...finding a place to work that you actually enjoy is tough, especially in this economy.

    1. Re:Are you loyal? by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Additionally, you may want to check the app-store-in-question's contractual obligations, as I'm pretty sure stuff like astroturfing is against it. Just point out to whoever's in charge that what you're being asked to do violates their policies and could potentially result in your company's app being pulled off of their app store altogether.

    2. Re:Are you loyal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, I'd go for the 3rd option. Just don't do it. I'm regularly asked to plug some thing where I work, and I just don't unless I really like whatever it is. I've never been approached as "I saw you didn't post about X". Most of the time, there are so many people in the company that it doesn't matter... If they do ask, it's really none of their business. It's your social networking account, not a company one. I don't see why they should have any jurisdiction over it.

    3. Re:Are you loyal? by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just point out to whoever's in charge that what you're being asked to do violates their policies and could potentially result in your company's app being pulled off of their app store altogether.

      That really looks like you are making the threat to report the company to the app store.

    4. Re:Are you loyal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In my experience, these sort of requests come from middle-management types who don't actually get how things work. They see a problem (low sales) they think they see something that would help that (improve ratings on the app) and they have access to a resource (employees with social media accounts). They put Solution and Resource together and call it a day. Often times, the hint of ToS or even ethical violations never even enters their mind.

      Of course, that doesn't mean that pointing it out won't still be taken as some sort of negative-nelly threat.

    5. Re:Are you loyal? by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they ask, tell the truth. "I posted good comments on all the company controlled social media accounts I have access to"

    6. Re:Are you loyal? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People have to take responsbility for the decisions they take.

      But companies don't have to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

      To the poster:

      If your company thinks the solution to an app that sucks is to have you astroturf, it's probably not likely that the company is going to be around that long, unless they happen to own a whole lot of patents and can stay in business by suing competitors, in which case they probably aren't going to need your development skills, right?

      Simple advice: GTFO. Your word is all you've got. Once it gets out that you're an astroturfer (and it will) you're going to be wearing a scarlet "A" for "asswipe".

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    7. Re:Are you loyal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why don't you just try the app? If you like it, you can share it on your facebook (assuming you're the type that would normally do so), and if you don't, you can provide your feedback like this: "I really want to share this app with my friends and such, but I can't, because there are some flaws that I really think we should try to fix. Here's what they are, with steps to reproduce. If we can fix these, I think I can recommend it in good conscience, and more importantly, our user base will begin to market on our behalf."

    8. Re:Are you loyal? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I meant to send an anonymous email to the higher-ups, not to the app store, warning them about the fact that what they're asking the employees to do is immoral and possibly even illegal. Obviously they're going to know that it came from an employee, but how would they ever possibly prove which one? Witch trials?

      I mean, unless there's some sort of notoriety or compensation desired here, why does the employees name ever have to be attached to anything at all? He's got a moral issue with something his employer is asking him to do; he can send an anonymous warning to the PHB now and, depending on whether it's ignored or the directive is rescinded, he can follow up with an anonymous warning to the app store in question about the astroturfing going on. If even that's not enough, he can post anonymously on the internet on forums and communities like /., not to mention in the app store itself.

      If the OP works for a very small firm I can see how this may not be worth the risk, but if the OP is but one of many employees, there's really nothing I can think of they could do to possibly find out where the emails were coming from or who wrote them. I've even sent anonymous emails to employers in the past myself concerning things that were illegal or unethical. Sometimes something came of them, sometimes not, but at the end of the day, if you see something that is unethical, immoral, and especially illegal, I feel that you have a responsibility to bring it to people's attention, even if the person is signing your paychecks. The warning is just a courtesy.

      I mean, how disrespectful can an employer be that they would ask their employees to do shit like this in the first place? Everyone here knows it's wrong, there's no question or ambiguity here. Clearly the OPs employer doesn't respect them if he'd put them in an ethical bind like this in the first place. Even though ethics and business are considered mutually exclusive these days, that doesn't make it right, nor acceptable. People need to be reminded of that.

    9. Re:Are you loyal? by Isaac-1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One more take on it, maybe the company is not doing so good in this economy, and are asking their employees to help drum up business so they don't have to lay people off, etc.

    10. Re:Are you loyal? by Idbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Independent of liking or not the app. I wonder why having an app, the people in the company haven't used yet. If the employees don't support their company and at least try their products... what kind of employees they have in first place.

      If that's the main product, and the employees won't use it then it makes no sense.
      If it's not and it's supposed to help the employees with something, then why people doesn't try it.
      If it is informational only, why not just using a website and call it done!

      Seriously, doesn't seem to me that it's a problem of only the "company" or the "developers" or perhaps just "PR".

  3. How about advertising? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever happened to advertising a product? Spend money to make money and all that jazz.

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    1. Re:How about advertising? by Jakester2K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whatever happened to advertising a product? Spend money to make money and all that jazz.

      Costs too much. Just like in-house beta-testing. That's why the idea was born to release purposely-buggy software and let your (ahem) customers pay for the privilege of doing it for you. It's a small step from there to get people to do your shil... er, advertising for you for free.

      The 21st century version is "Spend less and make more."

  4. Astroturfing in social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a fellow anonymous, representing the big E and the A, we get it in our inboxes daily to astroturf our products.

    This seems to be a common practice nowadays, and I guess it shows you have some faith in your product. I have nothing against it as long as you like what you are doing. If you don't like astroturfing for your stuff, then don't.

    What concerns me though is that you seem to be not very keen on this app. Care to elaborate why?

    1. Re:Astroturfing in social media by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "He's not being asked to astroturf. He's being asked to like the product."

      Astroturfing is astroturfing, no matter the form. Employees are being asked to falsely represent themselves as happily satisfied users of the product. That is astroturfing at its very essence. Whether you are doing it via blog posts or Facebook likes, you are still committing exactly the same ethical breach. There is no difference.

  5. Not A Good Sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I worked at a company where we were actively told to astroturf. It was a bad sign because the product sucked and instead doing something about the criticism, they buried their head in the sand. The criticism was completely well founded. My advice is to not worry about astroturfing and start looking for a new job. Your management isn't looking to fix problems, just cover over them.

  6. welcome to the modern age by forgottenusername · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few startups ago, the marketing teams entire plan was "lean on your personal social networks". They'd have been better off standing outside handing out flyers.

    If you like the app and think it's useful then it doesn't hurt to promote it a little. If it's just some crap, then don't bother - you'll just desensitize your friends and contacts.

    Just saying "I'm working on app X, it's going pretty well!" is subtle and non-annoying, curious people will check it out.

    Anyway, a company asking employees to lean heavily on friends/family for promotion is a sure-fire sign of a failed marketing vision in my book, a problem in the business side of the house.

  7. Honesty by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try the app. See if it's really worth saying good things about. If so, I'd go ahead and praise it as deserved. If not, send a message to the sales/QA/service department as appropriate saying why you can't promote the app. Keep a copy of that message just in case you have to show that you were fired for raising an ethical concern.

    Of course, encourage others to do the same, and mention your plan to superiors. They might just admire your behavior, and suggest it to more of the company. Few managers really want to be the guy to let a bad PR situation loose, so they might jump at the chance to prove they're more ethical than that nasty sales department - especially if the app is actually decent, and there's a good chance it'll get astroturfed anyway.

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  8. One way by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You could always try the app yourself then give it an honest review. If you genuinely like it, it's not astroturfing.
    If you don't like it, you could consider feeding that back to the developers as that may reveal more fundamentally why it's not selling well.

    1. Re:One way by gatfirls · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dead on. Seriously, your employer is just asking you to help with marketing. Raising awareness is not some evil agenda. Do you think Trixx are really only for kids?

  9. You're being asked to "like" it? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So are we just talking about clicking the "Like" button on Facebook? That doesn't sound terrifically evil. It's not unusual for people to "like" something they don't like, and so I wouldn't even really consider it dishonest. Like I "like" one of my friend's websites, but... you know, it's just because it's my friend's site. My work has asked me to make use my LinkedIn Profile shows that I work where I do, in case the company gets looked up.

    Also, are they simply asking you to do it, or are they somehow monitoring everyone's accounts to make sure they do it, and then threatening some kind of response if you don't "like" their product? If they're just asking, and you don't want to do it, then don't do it.

    This doesn't seem like a serious problem.

  10. This is how the world works by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get used to it. Everybody does it and much of what you think of as news (especially tech news) is networked people astro turfing for each other.

    If you think some of your friends will find it interesting, why not? Just serve your friends well. Use the app and be honest about what you like about it. If you can't stand it, just mention the app without saying you like it.
    It is somewhat self serving and it may feel dirty but you are helping your company and yourself and informing your friends who may be interested and so everyone benefits. This is how the world works.

  11. Re:Nope by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't say that I would do it.

    The problem is the original poster, not the policy, at least so far. The original poster is an epic fail because:

    The thing is, most of the employees have not used the app

    You have to do that before you can decide what to do with:

    we are being asked to say that we like it.

    Note that you don't have to like the genre to say the product is best in class, or at least somewhat "like-able". Many years ago I was asked my opinion of an ethnic food product my former employer sold; I can't stand that kind of stuff, but I could honestly say my employers individual product was an excellent example of the genre. If I had to eat this junk in general, this is the one I'd eat. This is your out if the app is something like a female ovulation calendar app or kids educational app or whatever.

    I deleted my facebook account years ago, but the social norm at the time was some dude you sat next to in 8th grade once is a "friend" and anything vaguely novel is "like", so its not as if they're asking you to get a tattoo on your forehead or become a booth babe. The standard for "like" an app is probably "it didn't make my phone catch fire, so thats good enough".

    If its just too rancidly repulsive to appeal to you, or in your opinion, anyone, you need to run like hell and start emailing resumes because:
    1) They're obviously grasping at straws if its so awful they have to pay people $75K/yr (or whatever) to grudgingly admit they like it.
    2) After grasping at straws comes the layoffs, downsizing, bankruptcies, etc, next week. So get a jump to it.

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  12. Basic Office Skills by royallthefourth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When marketing (or most anyone else) sends an email to the entire company, ignore it. Duh.