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Berners-Lee: You've Got Our Data, Show Restraint

itwbennett writes "Your browsing behavior may reveal more personal information than you'd tell your own mother. Which is why Tim Berners-Lee is urging technology companies to 'show more restraint' in how they use the information they hoover up. 'We're moving towards a world in which people agree not to use information for particular purposes. It's not whether you can get my information, it's when you've got it, what you promise not to do with it,' said Berners-Lee, speaking out against the U.K.'s proposal to allow government intelligence to monitor digital communications."

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  1. hmmm by CSMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't that like asking a lion not to eat us?

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  2. Multitalented by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Inventor of the World Wide Web AND a comedian.

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  3. what i do is simple, and it works by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    do not trust the internet, treat it like a criminal or like holding a poisonous snake, = you got learn to use the internet without letting the internet use you.

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    1. Re:what i do is simple, and it works by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Thats like saying 'Learn to live in society without being owned by it"

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  4. Getting creepy by bigredradio · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lately, I have been noticing my "targeted" ads while surfing around the web and am getting a little creeped out. I bought a couch a few weeks back online and I am seeing ads for furniture companies all the time. If my search results and ads are tailored specifically for me, how do I get exposed to new things?

    Seems like it will pigeon hole the entire internet into blues records, Linux, Old Vespa Scooters, and furniture ads. It's like having an obsessed girlfriend getting you a bunch of stuff just because you may have mentioned it one time in passing.

    1. Re:Getting creepy by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The best part is that you just bought a couch... it's not like you are going to buy another.

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  5. Creepier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Install this on your Firefox browser. Things will look a bit creepier after that.

    I'm using "TrackerBlock" and it doesn't stop it all.

    1. Re:Creepier by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

      Ah, that answers my question, who's going to track the trackers?

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  6. USA, Step 1: Change Bankruptcy Law by cmholm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the good ol' US of A, a company can bend over backwards to in fact do no evil with the personal data they collect. But, if they go Chapter 7 bankruptcy (the full monty), the court is under no obligation to care. They view marketable data as just another asset to be sold off to satisfy creditors... even Scientology.

    Given the current Congress, I think the easiest (but by no means best) first step towards better privacy protection would be some tweaks to Title 11 of the United States Code.

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  7. Yeah right. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    You'll have better luck telling a fat kid to show restraint at a buffet.

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  8. The other half of the conversation by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tim Berners-Lee: "Please show restraint with everyone's personal data."
    Shareholders: "Please find a way to monetize everyone's personal data as quickly as possible to increase our share price."

    Guess which one the CEO is going to listen to?

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  9. Somewhat easier with corporations by gstrickler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had good success with my clients and their developers limiting the data they keep by focusing on their potential legal liability should the data leak (internal or external) and/or be misused. The less data you have, and the less sensitive that data, the lower the cost of any data leak.

    As Mr Miyagi said "Best defense, no be there."

    And while storage is cheap, there is a cost to maintaining data, and that's not insignificant. Keep only what you need, or it's probable that you'll need. Throw everything else away.

    When dealing with governments, or corrupt individuals/companies, those arguments may not work as well.

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  10. Crack Babies by SuperCharlie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Call me Luddite, call me an old fogey, hell, call me Aunt Mable and dress me up in a nice billowy dress. What has happened here is we have a generation of internet crack babies. We all know there is no chance in hell that everything we do on the internet, and on our nifty phones is not databased for sale and control of us. The issue is that we (as a group) simply can not put down the crack pipe. We wont. We dont care if you strip us down and shove a data tracker striaght up our ass, just give me more internet. And dont bogart the bandwidth. The answer is to abstain. The reality is we are way too far down this addiction to stop.

  11. privacy goes by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    More precisely, you're the kind of person who wants to fix the root of the problem.

    The evaporation of privacy is inexorable, it is something you can only impede, not forestall.

    Great, work on impeding it. But recognize that long-term solutions require working with the whole system.

  12. Re:Good analogy by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's no stopping it, EXCEPT by not giving them the data in the first place. They cannot abuse what they do not have.

    And even that will get harder and harder as time goes on. People make tons of "noise" and technology is getting better and better at making sense of it. Regulate government and corporations all you want; it won't matter in twenty years when I can buy a handheld gadget that can spy on you right through your walls.

    In fact, mandating privacy will probably hurt us in the long run, because when we hide all our 'ugly' bits it's easy to start assuming they don't exist at all, and overreact when something happens to leak out. The more we hide and the more we polish our images, the more damaging any leak becomes—like having your career ruined because OH MY GOD somebody took a nude photo of you years ago. Privacy is like a suit of armor; it can protect, but it's very restrictive to keep on all the time, you soon feel completely naked and exposed without it, and you live in constant fear of someone finding a chink.

    So I agree with Berners-Lee. Keeping everything secret from everybody is not a long-term solution. Responsibility is a long-term solution. We need to stop ourselves from obsessing over details we discover of other peoples' lives. We need to realize that no one is perfect and reject the spotless public images the wealthy and powerful can afford to manufacture. We need to promise to be considerate with the information others reveal to us. And most of all, we need to stigmatize the governments and gossips and paparazzi and anyone who trolls personal information seeking harm or humiliation. Such activity needs to be not simply unlawful but morally reprehensible, regardless of what it might dredge up.

    Because in the end, if we can't go about our daily lives without constant fear of those around us, society has failed.

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  13. Re:Good analogy by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are many cases where you'd want to give your data to online entities. Slashdot has my email address. Amazon has my physical address, which kind of helps them delivering the stuff I order from them to my doorstep. The utility company has my physical address and my bank details. And so on. Sure, you could pay everything in cash, not order anything online or set up a P.O. Box, and create dedicated email addresses and identities for every site that makes you sign up. But I'd rather not go through the trouble.

    Berners-Lee has it arse-backwards, by the way: instead of promising what they won't do, companies should simply follow the law laid down in a number of European countries: if you collect data on your customers, you can only use that data for the stated purpose, and nothing else. Now, I don't mind Amazon and Google having certain data on me. As long as they play nice. Which means some additional rules:
    - Don't state that you'll use my data in every which way you see fit: use it only for those purposes that I had in mind when I gave you my data.
    - Don't bury your data privacy statement in 54 pages of legalese: the statement should be visible, clear, and at most half a page (I wouldn't mind that rule to be made into law...)
    - Be very clear on which 3rd parties you share my data with, for what purposes (see the first rule), and under what conditions.
    - You will protect my data well.
    - At any time I will have the option to rescind my permission to use my data. (by the way, that does not amount to that godawfully misguided "right to be forgotten" idea. It pertains to personal data that is a shared secret between me and some company, not to public contributions I or others have made)

    Of course companies could simply ignore the law and share my data anyway, but at least they'd be breaking the law and you could take them to court if you catch them at it. That is perhaps what Berners-Lee is hinting at: it'd be a lot better if data was shared under clear and enforceable agreements, and agreements that benefit the data owner, not the recipient.

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  14. You're going to have far better luck... by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    ...if you assume everyone's an asshole, and work out your expectations from that, than to assume people are reasonable, intelligent, and caring and go from there.

    Sorry, it's why the US Constitution has been largely a success - it assumed politicians are greedy, selfish, power-hungry bastards. Our fault if we couldn't follow what it told us and let them take more power anyway.

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