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Asteroid the 'Size of a Minivan' Exploded Over California

astroengine writes, quoting Discovery: "The source of loud 'booms' accompanied by a bright object traveling through the skies of Nevada and California on Sunday morning has been confirmed: it was a meteor. A big one. It is thought to have been a small asteroid that slammed into the atmosphere at a speed of 15 kilometers per second (33,500 mph), turning into a fireball, delivering an energy of 3.8 kilotons of TNT as it broke up over California's Sierra Nevada mountains. Bill Cooke, head of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office, classified it as a 'big event.' 'I am not saying there was a 3.8 kiloton explosion on the ground in California,' Cooke told Spaceweather.com. 'I am saying that the meteor possessed this amount of energy before it broke apart in the atmosphere. (The map) shows the location of the atmospheric breakup, not impact with the ground.' Interestingly, this event was bigger than asteroid 2008 TC3 that exploded over the skies of Sudan in 2008 after being detected before it hit."

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  1. Exploding Minivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always said the damn things were dangerous

    1. Re:Exploding Minivans by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      It wasn't a minivan though... remember this thing was clocked at 33,000 mph. When's the last time you saw a minivan even doing the speed limit?

    2. Re:Exploding Minivans by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Not my fault. The speedo on my van is broken.

    3. Re:Exploding Minivans by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Finally get a flying car and the damn thing explodes.

  2. minivan by quenda · · Score: 5, Funny

    For all the foreigners saying "WTF is a minivan?", it is a large family vehicle, smaller than a mini-bus, like a VW Transporter (Combi) , about 10 hogsheads or 0.00001 Libraries of Congress.

    1. Re:minivan by quenda · · Score: 2

      This is a real mini-van.

    2. Re:minivan by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Funny

      For US residents that have trouble understanding metrics: it was traveling at 3 hours walking per second, considering you wouldn't stop once for fast food for those three hours. In those three hours, the meteor would have circled the earth four times at the speed of entry

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    3. Re:minivan by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Another way of putting it is it's 2700 kilograms of steel for a soccer mom and one child passenger. You know, for safety.

    4. Re:minivan by azalin · · Score: 4, Funny

      What is this "walking" you are talking about? Clearly you can not mean traveling by foot because not sane person would go that far without using a car. It would be utter nonsense to believe a normal human being could archive such a feat without collapsing.

    5. Re:minivan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      For all the Americans saying "WTF is an asteroid?", it is a big space rock made by Jebus 6000 years ago. It has as much blow-uppy power as millions of pounds of dynamite (the calorie equivalent of a billion gallons of Extreme HotPocket PizzaHut Lard Thins), and, if it were to hit California, could result in a a postponed airing of Dancing With the Stars. To prevent this, we must pray for an end to the liberal gay marriage agenda targeting our children in the public schools of Obamamerica, and make sure every patriot has a gun to send future asteroids back across the border before their lazy anchor meteorites take our jobs and food stamps. God bless the troops!

      Thankyouverymuch.

    6. Re:minivan by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2

      Extreme HotPocket PizzaHut Lard Thins

      I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    7. Re:minivan by box4831 · · Score: 2

      I have no concept how big "Circled the Earth" is? Can you express that in "Width's of America's?"

      I thought they were the same thing? You mean to imply that there are not-America places? I think you may be confused with Mars.

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    8. Re:minivan by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Yes, because the US president has full power to do whatever the fuck he wants. Why is it that so many Americans think that the president is some kind of all-powerful dictator? Did you fall asleep during civics class? Or do you think that every president gets handed a do-what-you-want cudgel like Bush did with 9/11?

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  3. The truth! by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Funny

    This stinks of a coporate cover up. They don't want you to know this but it was actually a Toyota Prius with a hybrid nuclear/tachyon engine that accelerated out of control in the year 2052 due to a software glitch and traveled back in time and...well you can pretty much put the rest together.

  4. Can't we detect something that size? by wanzeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NASA tracks space debris the size of a golf ball, why didn't they see this? This is yet another example of how asteroid detection need a higher priority.

    1. Re:Can't we detect something that size? by quenda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      NASA tracks space debris the size of a golf ball, why didn't they see this?

      Because it was not in a low-earth orbit, and space is kind of big.

    2. Re:Can't we detect something that size? by Osgeld · · Score: 3, Funny

      who says it wasnt tracked the whole 3 seconds it came into our range and blew up?

    3. Re:Can't we detect something that size? by Ruie · · Score: 2
      It depends on what you are interested in. For detecting the asteroid a few meters a diameter within a ball that includes the Moon you would need to scan 2e18 one cubic meter positions every seven hours or so. I assumed that it is sufficient to scan a 1-meter deep shell around Earth.

      If you now assume that you need only a nanosecond to tell whether there is an asteroid in a given 1 meter cube or not (which would correspond to spending a few CPU/FPGA cycles on processing) then you need to be able to process 80000 different positions simultaneously.

      This is doable with modern technology, but rather expensive - think military size budget, not NASA size budget.

    4. Re:Can't we detect something that size? by Ruie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why? It's not like we can do anything. Personally, I would not like to know that a meteor is about to slam into the earth and end life as we know it.

      We can tell people to move..

  5. Transformers by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Autobots have arrived!

  6. SI unit by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think that the Minivan has joined Wales as effectively an SI unit. link

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    1. Re:SI unit by dominious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally I get it! The size of the asteroid was about one quarter the size of a nanoWales!

  7. Re:How convenient. by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are probably going to have to look for a different one.

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  8. Too bad by DinDaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'I am not saying there was a 3.8 kiloton explosion on the ground in California,' Cooke told Spaceweather.com.

    Love that he has to pre-empt the sound bite stupidity of the press. Too bad t won't work and they'll publish the stupid headline anyway.

    1. Re:Too bad by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easier.

      "... there was a 3.8 kiloton explosion on the ground in California," Cooke told Spaceweather.com.

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    2. Re:Too bad by azalin · · Score: 2

      "... there was a 3.8 kiloton explosion on the ground in California," - over a quarter the strength of the Hiroshima atomic bomb - Cooke told Spaceweather.com.
      Or: "There was an explosion of nuclear scale in California" blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah "... there was a 3.8 kiloton explosion on the ground in California," Cooke told Spaceweather.com. blah ....

  9. Melancholia by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

    Anyone who has an interest in things smashing in to the earth (I do, it's some kind of very fascinating thing for me see: Thanatos) I recommend you check out this film, ideally on a screen absoloutely as large as possible.

  10. Too bad the coasts were covered in fog... by milbournosphere · · Score: 2

    Unless you were in the desert, you didn't get to see it. We had a whole party set to go see the meteor shower; it should've been a great night for it, given the new moon. Too bad there were dense fog advisories all night. I've seen some pretty cool pictures from Arizona though.

  11. Re:How lethal is a meteorite fragment? by mattr · · Score: 2

    It is fairly easy to find this out from google.
    Generally, no appreciable levels of radiation are found in meteorites. One meteorite which fell in Japan a few years ago had some measurable radioactivity.
    http://www.meteoritelab.com/meteorites/#13
    http://earth.s.kanazawa-u.ac.jp/ishiwata/labo/neagariUS.html

  12. It could have been a much bigger media event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It hit in daylight over Reno-Tahoe.

    Imagine if it had hit just a bit further west at night with clear weather. That would have resulted in a very bright flash at night and the aforementioned "rumbling and shaking" over the San Francisco Bay Area.

    Now imagine that the orbital dynamics were such that this happened in 1982 instead of 2012. Then you get a bright flash and a rumble over a major metro area during the Cold War.

    1. Re:It could have been a much bigger media event by mbone · · Score: 2

      You know, there were fireballs during the cold war. The universe didn't stop just because of our geopolitical situation. I can remember hearing of one blast (a meteor over the ocean near South Africa) that caused discussion as being a possible test of a very small nuke. And, famously, the astrophysical gamma ray bursts were first detected by satellites sent up to detect gamma ray bursts from nuclear explosions. Somehow, we survived all these false alarms.

  13. Re:Small != Big by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

    Most meteors you see are the size of grains of sand. This one was millions of times larger. "Millions of times larger than normal" is "a big one".

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  14. mini by schlachter · · Score: 2

    at least it was mini.

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    1. Re:mini by operagost · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine if it had been a 1982 3/4 ton GMC conversion van with a desert mural on the side! If the van's a big rock, don't try to knock!

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  15. Two things holding up asteroid tracking by Grayhand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We need to start calling asteroids "terrorists" and there needs to be oil found on one. We can waste a trillion dollars fighting a handful of poorly funded religious zealots and yet we struggle to maintain even minimal funding to track objects that can easily take out a city if not most of the life on the planet. I keep hearing how rare they are yet there have been several of these high altitude bursts fairly recently and Tunguska was a little over a hundred years ago. If Tunguska sized blasts happen once in a hundred years aren't we due for one? Also how do we know? We haven't been keeping track of them for a hundred years and even historical evidence is sketchy. The planet would barely notice a city sized blast if there weren't large numbers of people below it. Also it's math not established fact. We can go 200 years with no major strikes then have a dozen in a single year then no more for a thousand years and the statistics may still call them once in a hundred year events. None of us may live to see one yet they can happen at any time. Kind of like a lottery you don't want to win.

    1. Re:Two things holding up asteroid tracking by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 2

      The future of Big Oil depends on us all getting killed by an asteroid smashing into earth. So they are not going to want to help out with this.

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  16. Re:How long... by azalin · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Minivan from Space - bid starts at 20 000 $
    Thats right the minivan you heard in the news. A unique, once in a lifetime opportunity to own a piece of history and space.
    Slight signs of usage from entering the earths atmosphere make it even more authentic" This is your chance to buy the Minivan from space[tm]

  17. Chatting on a cellphone by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Typical minivan driver, didn't even see a planet that was, well, the size of a planet before it was too late.

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  18. Actually, I would by Kupfernigk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't remember the name, but there's a Larry Niven story about a similar incident (in this case the sun apparently going nova.) If you knew you had only 12 hours to live, what would you do?

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    1. Re:Actually, I would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Inconstant moon.

      Written in the day before cell phones and worldwide TV. The main character figured it out but most others were unaware. A much different scenario would happen nowadays. Maybe Lucifer's hammer is closer to what would happen.

  19. Re:Random Question by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Polenüberfallensmittelverzekering? Strassenbahnhaltestellelieferungswagen?

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  20. I'm more interested by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ....in where it landed. Meteorites are valuable, especially if linkable to a historic event.

    In terms of significance, 100,000 tonnes (110,231 tons) of matter falls into Earth's atmosphere every year. This was 70 tonnes. Not a significant fraction of the total mass per year, but still quite respectable. Besides, you probably wouldn't want the yearly quota in one lump sum.

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  21. Damn Bugs by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

    Are those Arachnids acting up again? Guess we better invade Klendathu once more before they can lob a bigger rock our way.

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  22. I actually saw it in Phoenix here by Netdoctor · · Score: 2

    Was out and about sunday night.

    And I was geek enough to have noted the az/elevation at the time.

    Azmith was 325 to 350 or so, and Elevation was 50 deg down to about 30 degrees.

    It was losing rather large chunks midway through it's burn..very much not like your normal meteorite.

  23. Probably pieces on the ground to find by goodmanj · · Score: 2

    A meteor this big probably didn't vaporize: if you live in the area you should be on the lookout for pieces on the ground.

    I hesitate to say this, because it's a large area with a lot of ordinary rocks lying around, so there's going to be a huge number of not-actually-a-meteorite finds. This site http://meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm gives the basics on figuring out if you've found a meteorite or not.

    This meteor appears to be bigger than the one that came down over Chicago in 2003: quite a few large pieces were found then. But it's much easier to find meteorites in urban areas.

  24. Quick calculations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    So for fun, I did some quick calculations. I'm not a physicist, but recalling the relationship between kinetic energy, mass, and velocity...

    K = 3.8 kilotons TNT = 1.59*10^13 J = (1/2)mv^2
    m = 2K/v^2 = 1.41*10^5 kg

    So the mass was about 141,000 kg. According to a random source, the average minivan is about 17m^3 in size, so that would make the density of the object 8.3*10^3 kg/m^3, roughly equal to that of iron. So if my math is correct, this thing was basically the equivalent of a solid piece of iron the size of a minivan.

    1. Re:Quick calculations by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Disregard that. I just RTFA, and the mass was calculated to be HALF of that figure: 70,000 kg. Would someone with a physics background be so kind as to show my error?

      I expect they divided by two, just for the lulz. You know how crazy those physicists are.

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  25. Re:How convenient. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Funny

    "few tonnes of iron in orbit is worth a fortune"
    no it isn't.

    Yes, it is, if it stays in orbit.

    "Dear Mr. <World_Leader>,

    I have a large chunk of iron orbiting the planet, and it would be a real shame if it were to accidentally drop on your capitol city. How would you like to invest in a little insurance against that?"

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