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Osama Bin Laden Didn't Encrypt His Files

An anonymous reader writes "If you're running a terrorist organization, it might make sense to encrypt your files. Clearly Osama Bin Laden didn't realize that — as some of the documents seized during the raid on his hideout in Pakistan have been made public for the first time. 17 electronic documents, which were found on USB sticks, memory cards and computer hard drives after US Navy Seals killed the terrorist chief in the May 2011 raid, are being released in their original Arabic alongside English translations by the Combating Terrorism Center, reports Sophos."

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  1. Security through obscurity by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Worked pretty well for the 10 or so years it took to *find* his files!

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    1. Re:Security through obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All interested groups--those who would benefit from him being alive and those who would benefit from him being dead--agree that he's dead. His family members, including his wives, agree that he's dead. The Pakistani government, angry that the US violated their sovereignty, and embarrassed that OBL was in an area known to senior members of their intelligence apparatus (IE they were caught with their pants down), agree that he's dead. The consequences of claiming he's dead when he's not would be disastrous. A non-trivial number of people (between those in the situation room, including a photographer, those on the SEAL team, those on the ship that the SEAL team flew to) would be able to blow the whistle on the conspiracy.

      This isn't about legal standard of proof--if it was ever legally required the government would show the court some of the DNA, dental, photographic, and video evidence they have--it's about simple common sense.

      If you believe Osama bin Laden is not dead, say so. If you believe these documents are not legitimate, say so. This kind of wishy-washy devil's advocate crap where people claim that there are "unanswered questions" but lack the intellectual honesty to actually stand behind the only possible conclusion that could be drawn by the answers they're implying is so stupid.

    2. Re:Security through obscurity by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is this FreeRepublic.com now?

      ~S

      Yes, but we're still arguing over whether it's Free Beer Republic or Free Speech Republic.

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    3. Re:Security through obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I have no idea ..."

      You could have stopped right there.

    4. Re:Security through obscurity by zero.kalvin · · Score: 4, Funny

      So getting killed for not encrypting your files is the new punishment ? God those IT admins are angry!

    5. Re:Security through obscurity by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is this FreeRepublic.com now?

      ~S

      Yes, but we're still arguing over whether it's Free Beer Republic or Free Speech Republic.

      Free Beer Republic. Because that way you'll be so drunk you won't care and will say whatever you want regardless.

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    6. Re:Security through obscurity by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jumping too soon on a story (ie. Chavez Out of Power, Dewey Defeats Truman), is hardly the same thing as just about every one else telling you that OBL is dead. The fact of Chavez being in and out of power is a much more fluid situation than Osama bin Laden with two holes in his chest and having been dumped in the Indian Ocean off the deck of a warship. With Chavez, they were simply wrong, with bin Laden, they'd have to be outright lying.

      Fact is, you don't really get to keep nasty secrets like this for long. Just about everything the US government or its agents have ever done which is nasty or illicit has come out long before any sort of National Archives release date. Even Nixon couldn't cover his shit up. If OBL was not dead or it was a fake, it would come out. It might be for honesty, it might be for a huge payday, or it might just be for ego.

      Documentation is fine, but it can be faked. In the end, you don't trust in documents, you trust in the preponderance of evidence that you get from a variety of diverse sources, including those who have no stake in telling lies. As someone pointed out, both the US government and AQ admitted OBL is dead. I don't see any reason to disbelieve them. It's not like it changed anything at all. No wars will end, no wars will start. Hell, it was even too soon to allow Obama to get an Election year bump in the polls.

    7. Re:Security through obscurity by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This place has always attracted the conspiracy-minded. I think that there are more high-IQ people here than average, and high-IQ people like to find patterns. There is also a high correlation between paranoid schizophrenia and IQ. Conspiracy theories are really just grand pattern-finding exercises.

      Of course, no one espousing these theories can explain to me how the government manages to keep a secret.

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    8. Re:Security through obscurity by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because if Emmanuel Goldstein hadn't existed, it would have been necessary to invent him.

      (Apologies to Orwell and Voltaire.)

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    9. Re:Security through obscurity by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Funny

      This place has always attracted the conspiracy-minded. I think that there are more high-IQ people here than average, and high-IQ people like to find patterns. There is also a high correlation between paranoid schizophrenia and IQ. Conspiracy theories are really just grand pattern-finding exercises.

      So you're saying that this forum naturally attracts conspiracy theorists and gives them a place to vent their conspiracies. That would be awfully convenient if there was an organization working in the shadows that needed to monitor people's communications to make sure that none of the conspiracy theorists had accidentally stumbled onto the truth. All they'd have to do is monitor this forum and then disappear anybody who got too close. Awfully convenient indeed....

      Perfectly hypothetical, of course. Anyway, I'd write more but I have to go, it's 2:00 AM and for some reason somebody is banging on my door and I better see who it is.

    10. Re:Security through obscurity by Compaqt · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot the #!#NO CARRIER

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    11. Re:Security through obscurity by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      You sound like one of those people who actually believe we landed on the moon! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

    12. Re:Security through obscurity by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Forgot the what???? OMG, they got Compaqt !

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    13. Re:Security through obscurity by V-similitude · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, it turns out that Osama bin Laden was just a really really deep cover FBI agent, trying to entice people into committing terrorist acts in order to later arrest them.

    14. Re:Security through obscurity by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The unanswered question is, why the claim of justifiable execution when they had him captured when the majority of the planet wanted him in trial.

      Forget the bullshit about risk, that is just bullshit. By far the majority wanted to see him paraded before the public, lead around in handcuffs, reduced to nothing but just another criminal on trial. They wanted to see the evidence, they wanted all the accusations out in the open and, they wanted to understand how a US government funded agent become an anti-US terrorist.

      They wanted the details, they wanted the truth they absolutely did not want some bullshit stage photo shoot of Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton sitting around a room with the co-conspirators pretending to watch it live, what a crock of shit. We by law had the right to our bloody trial, we had the right to all the evidence, we had the right to know everything that went on and we had the right to track all the government failings of the.

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    15. Re:Security through obscurity by Andtalath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, it's paranoid delusions that correlate with a high intelligence somewhat.
      Or, to be more precise, elaborate paranoid delusions.

      Paranoid Scizophrenia occurs through the entire spectrum and should NOT be confused with general paranoia.
      I've met both categories, the difference between the two is that one chooses his own beliefs (no matter how flawed) over the official explanations, even the ones from peer-reviewed research, often due to a misunderstanding of what is being said, but also quite often since we are being taught simple "truths" due to the fact that the complex truths are quite hard to explain to non-professionals in a given field.

      Let me put it this way, I know a guy who, when ANYTHING is annoying/unexplained he blames "them".
      His shirts have shrunk?
      UN did it.
      His camera is slightly out of wack in settings from what he remembers from using it the last time?
      THEY did it, fortunately, he's vigilant enough to notice it and thus it didn't work.

      This sounds like I'm making it up, but, no, he's DEAD set on these things, confronting him on these, for him, extremely important details makes him certain that you are one of "them".
      And no, I'm not in a position where I can avoid him and I'm not in a position where I can help him.

      My point is that paranoid delusions are, generally, things that in some way make sense AND is not trivial to circumvent while scizo is definitely NOT sensible.
      Meaning, they have fully formed arguments about them and they also generally work well in society as well (even if extreme cases like Anders Behring Breivik exist (a current terrorist in Norway, complex case up in the courts right now)), most importantly, they can generally NOT be "cured" by drugs while scizoid people can (although temporarily, and only of the scizoid part, so the paranoia may remain).
      Psychologists generally don't treat paranoid people since, well, they are generally well-adjusted and can hold a job and so forth.

      Paranoid scizos often freak out when confronted, meaning, they generally avoid discussion on the internet unless they are sure they can't be argued against.

    16. Re:Security through obscurity by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not just conspiracy theorists but gamers.

      Come on, what does good gamer do? Put himself in the shoes of the other player and ask "What is the best move in his position?" This sort of thinking requires you to question what you think you know to make inferences.

      How do we know any of these things? We don't. That's just the truth. We have no way of knowing, and we never will. Even the members of "Seal Team Six" wouldn't know...there is no way they read everything they collected. Nobody but the analysts will ever know.... until one of them writes a book about it...and then we still will have to wonder if he is full of shit or not.

      We do know that they claim this is a small fraction of the total.

      What is the smart move?

      Fakes take work but, in this case, there is a low chance of anyone ever proving a fake. Denials by someone whose words were faked may come if they are still alive, but, it would be there word against the US Governments.

      My guess is they are real, but heavily cherry-picked. They released enough to refocus some media attention on their crusade. That is always good when you are trying to justify your job. I don't know if you have gotten up close and personal with the inner workings of a lumbering bureaucracy like the federal government, but, from what I have seen, the top and middle are a constant storm of minor players scrambling to look important so that their budget gets expanded rather than cut. So any release like this is excellent for someone.

      On the more tactical side, NPR was astounded at how unlike a comic book supervillian he really was, and more like a "Worried CEO", there is probably some attempt to highlight this in an attempt to demystify him.

      added bonus, probably increases the general levels of communication within their networks, and entices any existing groups/members to make public statements in response, which provides more information, keeps the cause in front of the cameras, and gives the FBI some fodder to use on their front, creating fake terrorists to nab, and justify the eternal vigilance....and funding.
       

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  2. really? by SailorOrion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Normally, you would encrypt data for transmission via an unsecure network (read: internet) or to protect it from unauthorized physical access. It's not like OBL's biggest worries were the contents of his USB sticks should hostile individuals be present in his home. History certainly supports that theory ...

  3. Obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://xkcd.com/538/

  4. Why bother with the inconvenience? by dccase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He correctly understood that they wouldn't be used against him as evidence in a court of law.

  5. Re:How do we know? by realityimpaired · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ^^ this.

    He was dead anyway, regardless of how well protected his encrypted content was. Also, his network was (and is) set up in such a way that even a year after Bin Laden was captured/killed, we *still* haven't tracked down his lieutenants, I don't think he really had anything to worry about with the security of his data.

  6. No real need for him to encrpyt by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why would he need to encrypt files he was storing with him? He was living covertly, so did not have to worry about surveillance. And these documents were essentially for internal (read: his own and his few insiders) use. Any distribution of those documents from his location was handled by courier, and AQ uses encryption and steganography when distributing their documents as recent news has shown, logically the same measures were probably undertaken whenever these documents left the compound. As high a profile target as he is, he really didn't have to worry about anyone snooping on him, it would be much more profitable to capture or kill him if his location were known than it would be to sit on him and investigate traffic. And odds are the NSA and other intelligence agencies would brute force and eventually crack any encryption regardless. At best, all the encryption would do is buy time for AQ to bug out/scrap plans/accelerate operations. In all likelihood they probably had a contingency plan for bin Laden's eventual capture/death(whether natural or by bullet/missile) which involved changes in methods, distribution networks, or locations, causing any intelligence gained to lead to mostly ghosts and cold trails.

    Think of this another way: do you encrypt your USB drives if you are just transferring your files from one computer to another in your house? Even if the files are sensitive, it's a waste of time, because the drive isn't intended to be removed from your house.

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  7. Re:You're kidding right? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless of course you really think that any of this happened, in which you are hopelessly retarded! The only thing that might be true is that he's dead, probably in the Tora Bora attack years ago.

    If bin Laden died in the Tora Bora years ago, Bush would have played that card when he was losing a bunch of domestic and international credibility after Iraq. That would have taken a lot of heat off of him and make it much easier for him to have gotten things done. Although, judging by your comment you probably also think bin Laden was a CIA agent since the 80s too.

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  8. Re:You're kidding right? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing that might be true is that he's dead, probably in the Tora Bora attack years ago.

    Right. Because George & Dick wouldn't have trumpeted it to the heavens if the got him.

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  9. We aren't talking rocket scientists here by Grayhand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The "terrorist" are middle east versions of neo-nazi rednecks. Most of them aren't entirely sure why they hate us but they do. Fighting us gives purpose to their otherwise sad existence. The Saudi terrorist, the ones that actually blew up the towers, blame us for their own people robbing them blind of oil money. Why didn't Bin laden encrypt his files? Why wasn't he in hiding? He had people in the Pakistani government protecting him and apparently the rest of the Al Qaeda terrorist network considered him put out to pasture. He was the figure head of a pathetic group of thugs. I just saw a report that it finally dawned on these morons that it's easier to start fires than to bring down planes. Even then they have to design complex bombs rather than matches and candles. They over think problems and miss the obvious. People think genius is coming up with complex solutions, it's coming up with simple solutions to complex problems. These guys aren't geniuses.

  10. Two thougths: by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Considering that he kept that information in close physical proximity, he may simply have assumed that, if the information were compromised, he wouldn't be alive to care.
    2. The US government says the files weren't encrypted. It's also possible they were encrypted, but the US doesn't want al Qaeda cells and/or the general public to know how long it took to crack.
  11. Slashdot is surprisingly ignorant about crypto by i286NiNJA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The number of people who think AES can magically be cracked because the NSA is involved is staggering, if anyone can crack it it's probably the NSA, but they probably can't crack it. Slashdot your opsec is horrid, you encrypt secrets because they're secrets not because if the enemy has them you're dead anyhow, if anything it means that your secrets are more secure since they can't be beaten out of you. Does this sound like a policy we'd use with our own military secrets? More likely he's not very tech savvy and didn't understand why it would help or like many of the posters here he seemed to believe that the NSA has magical powers so crypto was futile. The man is prone to faulty thinking demonstrated by his belief that the middle east would finally be free from our meddling if he could just manage to kill another 5000 people. The fact that many of you are developers and administrators and don't seem to know the first thing about opsec or crypto is genuinely troubling, no wonder .cn walks through our infrastructure like they own it.

  12. Don't forget steganography by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet that "evil plans" sub directory is really a front and there's some serious man on man action pictures hidden inside those files.

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  13. Re:It's not like it would have help by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More likely they can just dedicate hundreds of hours worth of computing to brute-forcing a single piece of intelligence

    More likely hundreds of years worth or more... I personally consume 20 CPU-years on a regular basis for things of no national security importance whatsoever.

    Remember, kids, encryption strength is exponential with respect to key length! Make 'em nice and long if you don't want the NSA to read 'em!

    It doesn't really have to be that much more advanced than what we have (although undoubtedly they are so far on the cutting edge of capability that they are probably in danger of falling off)

    Frankly it won't be any more advanced than what "we" have. They might ask for a tweak or two to whatever vendor (e.g. or even i.e. Cray) they buy from, but it's not going to be significantly different than their commercially-available cutting edge.

    Remember, the government doesn't make much of anything in the way of technology. The military, who undoubtedly has stuff "we" don't, still has that stuff designed and manufactured by private contractors -- Boeing, Rayethon, etc. Some of these are almost exclusively defense contractors so sure you pretty much aren't going to see what the military has elsewhere.

    In silicon the big manufacturers sell primarily to non-government agencies, and they're selling their best stuff not holding back so the NSA can get it before anyone else when there's way more money in competitive advantage in the marketplace.

    The government might have some fancy research, but to supply the NSA with what it needs requires large-scale manufacturing from industry.

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  14. Because SEALs aren't the police by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The rules of engagement are different for soldiers. I'm not just talking in high level theoretical moral terms, I mean there are actual rules spelled out, laws, international agreements and so on. They were sent in to neutralize him, not capture him. Now that could mean capture, but only if he surrendered immediately and completely. If he tried to run, or fight, even in a proforma way, they were justified in killing him.

    Police are legally supposed to use deadly force only as a last resort, only when it is necessary to defend life or the like. Soldiers are allowed to use deadly force far more widely. Their gun is often the first thing they go for, not the last.

    Also Bin Laden was a completely legit military target. Commanders of hostile forces are always legit to go after, killing generals is legal.

    If you declare war (successfully) on a country, and that is what he did, you are going to be subject to having the military of the country after you. They don't play by the same rules as civilian agencies in fact and in law.

  15. Terrorists: Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Scientist by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We aren't talking rocket scientists here. . . . . The "terrorist" are middle east versions of neo-nazi rednecks.

    I'm afraid you've got things quite wrong in some important ways.

    The Educated Muslim Terrorist

    Nidal Hasan, Abdulmutallab and Humam al-Balawi are jihadists who were educated and came from privileged middle- and upper-class backgrounds. Hasan was an American-trained U. S. Army doctor, Abdulmutallab was a London engineering student and the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker, and double-agent Dr. Humam al-Balawi was a member of the Jordanian professional class.

    Many Westerners are confused by the willingness of university-educated middle-class Muslims to perpetrate barbarous acts of terrorism. It appears to be a reversal of the usual process: typically college students raised in religious households become more secularized by exposure to the humanities and sciences, and the rationalist values of the European Enlightenment. Yet when embryonic jihadists attend Western universities they graduate with their faith intact: 9/11 terrorists Mohammed Atta and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were both beneficiaries of Western university educations. These men, who sought to advance themselves with Western training and technical skills, ultimately turned against, and attempted to destroy, the very society that provided them with the means to that advancement. Instead of employing their newly acquired learning and knowledge to improve the lot of their fellow countrymen and co-religionists, they turned this very learning and knowledge against their Western benefactors.

    This phenomenon begs the question: How do jihadists reconcile such hypocrisy and ingratitude in their own minds?

    As the 1989 fatwa against Salman Rushdie proved, the list of Jihad’s grievances against the West is subtle and inventive. The exquisite sensitivities of the faithful guarantee the manufacture of injury and insult without end, providing inspiration for Islam’s perennial street theater; for no sooner does the Arab street grow tired of one threadbare grievance, e.g. Israel, than it discovers another in an irreverent Danish cartoon. . . . .

    In Leaderless Jihad: Terror Networks in the Twenty-First Century, Marc Sageman notes that eruptions of terrorist violence have little to do with economic social conditions; terrorist movements evolve slowly, spike quickly, and disappear with unexpected suddenness, and “cannot be explained through slow-moving societal forces and cultural templates.” Sageman disputes the popular notion that terrorists are mentally ill, poor, uneducated sociopaths: most of the 9/11 terrorist were, like Mohammed Atta, well-educated, many of them university graduates, i.e. psychologically stable individuals from middle-class families. Most telling of all, four fifths of these jihadists were expatriates, or the offspring of expatriates, who had immigrated to the West. In a word, they were members of the intelligentsia, confirming Arnold Toynbee’s observation that this class is fertile ground for revolutionary violence. . . . More

    What Makes a Terrorist

    In the wake of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, policymakers, scholars, and ordinary citizens asked a key question: What would make people willing to give up their lives to wreak mass destruction in a foreign land? In short, what makes a terrorist?

    A popular explanation was that economic deprivation and a lack of education caused people to adopt extreme views and turn to terrorism. For example, in July 2005, after the bombings of the London transit system, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said, “Ultimately what we now know, if we did not before

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  16. Alive he would have been a rallying point by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    dead he is a short term martyr at best.

    What nation could try him let alone hold him? The US? Hell we would have enough people who regularly post here decrying that let alone people protesting everywhere.

    Then when you try him exactly who is going to want to keep him? Which country wants a permanent living flashpoint in their borders?

    For every reason I could see taking him alive I can find many more for having him dead. There are people in this world who simply serve no purpose in keeping alive. Yes it is a sad observation but until people acknowledge that the world isn't going to get far. You cannot simply wish people to be good. Some just are not fit to be part of society, some merely see society as something to destroy.

    I guess it would make some people feel better about themselves, magnanimous even, to hold these types indefinitely but I find the who generally want this have no skin in the game to begin with.

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