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Missouri High School Principal Resigns After Posing As Student On Facebook

longacre writes "Suzy Harriston wanted to be friends on Facebook. The profile said she was from Clayton [Missouri] and had more than 300 friends, many of them from Clayton High School. No one seemed to question who Harriston was. That is, until the night of April 5, when a 2011 grad and former Clayton quarterback posted a public accusation. '"Whoever is friends with Suzy Harriston on Facebook needs to drop them. It is the Clayton Principal," wrote Chase Haslett.' Suzy Harriston quickly disappeared from Facebook, and Louise Losos, the principal, subsequently took a leave of absence, and then resigned."

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  1. This happens more than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know for a fact that stuff like this happened in my old high school in Missouri, but we didn't ever 100% prove it. Whenever the principal would find something that someone had posted on Facebook during school and punish them during the same day, it was pretty obvious.

    1. Re:This happens more than you think by PPH · · Score: 2

      When I was a kid in high school, some of the faculty dated a few of the students and got the low down on the social scene this way.

      You kids have it easy. Now stay off of my lawn!

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    2. Re:This happens more than you think by rogueippacket · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, Facebook "creeping" seems unscrupulous, but it is much, much better than the alternatives. A nosy person is a nosy person - they'll get into your business if they want to, at least Facebook keeps them across a digital divide. Besides, it teaches the kids a valuable lesson - if you put it online, it's never private.

    3. Re:This happens more than you think by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know for a fact that stuff like this happened in my old high school in Missouri, but we didn't ever 100% prove it. Whenever the principal would find something that someone had posted on Facebook during school...

      This word 'old'...I don't think it means what you think it means.

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    4. Re:This happens more than you think by davester666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It obviously refers to things in the distance past, say, more than 2 months ago.

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    5. Re:This happens more than you think by PPH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, Facebook "creeping" seems unscrupulous, but it is much, much better than the alternatives.

      It's a boundary violation. Passing as a student creates inappropriate relationships between kids and people who are supposed to be authority figures and professionals.

      "The alternative" is what, exactly? Spying on kids without probable cause and something resembling judicial oversight is just teaching them to expect the same behavior from law enforcement or other authorities once they become adults and make it out into the real world. Its probably different for 10-year-olds. But kids have to have a continuum of responsibility and autonomy. High school is right next to adulthood and people need to behave as such.

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    6. Re:This happens more than you think by sco08y · · Score: 4, Funny

      It obviously refers to things in the distance past, say, more than 2 months ago.

      As a Last Thursdayist, I object to your insensitive notion that anything existed more than 2 months ago.

    7. Re:This happens more than you think by hoboroadie · · Score: 2

      Spying on kids without probable cause and something resembling judicial oversight is just teaching them to expect the same behavior from law enforcement or other authorities once they become adults and make it out into the real world.

      You say that like it's a bad thing.

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    8. Re:This happens more than you think by flimflammer · · Score: 2

      Their usage is so common that I'm really confused why you're nitpicking this. Virtually any time I've ever heard someone mention something about school they used to go to, the phrase was always along the lines of "at/in my old elementary/middle/high school".

      That's not even considering the possibility that they're still in high school and they switched to a different one.

    9. Re:This happens more than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      even taking age out of consideration, yes, it is still considered bad. why? because at the very least it is a conflict of interest.

    10. Re:This happens more than you think by Kreigaffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a WORLD of difference between snooping into business practices to make sure they're on the up-and-up, and snooping into the PRIVATE LIVES of citizens.

      We accept business intrusions because it ensures that businesses (well, intends to ensure..) aren't exploiting workers or insider information.

      We should never, ever accept snooping into private lives -- especially when that snooping is used to punish citizens for actions that took place outside and apart from the authority punishing them.

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    11. Re:This happens more than you think by theArtificial · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Private" information posted online, especially to Facebook, is not private. It's like writing something in a public (the internet) and saying I can keep a secret but the people I tell cannot. From the same generation who posts their exploits to Youtube/Twitter/Facebook.

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    12. Re:This happens more than you think by robbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real alternative is to teach our children not to accept friend requests from strangers. I find it shocking that 300 people accepted her friend requests without so much as raising an eyebrow.

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    13. Re:This happens more than you think by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      I know what a rose smells like but I have no way of proving it, even to myself.

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    14. Re:This happens more than you think by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find it shocking that 300 people accepted her friend requests without so much as raising an eyebrow.

      Probably not so obvious as all that. I expect that after the first half dozen or so had accepted her friend requests, after that everyone knew she was a friend of [someone they already knew]...

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    15. Re:This happens more than you think by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly... There are definitely times on Facebook where you get a friend request from someone you really don't know, but upon seeing who THEIR friends are (plus, perhaps, checking some of the misc. info they posted about themselves - such as where they attended school), you'd think, "I must actually know this person, and just don't realize it." ... or "My friends must have told them they should talk to me since they think we'd get along for some reason."

      Sure, it's a BAD idea to just randomly friend strangers -- but these situations are usually a little more complicated than that.

    16. Re:This happens more than you think by sjames · · Score: 2

      There is a continuum between public and private. Telling a friend in whispers is not AS public as putting it up on a billboard, for example.

      "Friends only" surely carries some expectation of privacy. Certainly it does not carry the expectation that the principal, pretending to be a teen girl, can freely read it.

    17. Re:This happens more than you think by sjames · · Score: 2

      Is that one in the Kama Sutra?

    18. Re:This happens more than you think by robbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It took 300 people before *any* suspicions were raised...
      Seriously- I don't care how many mutual friends I have with a random invite, I'm not going to share my personal life with them until I know who they are. I have been known to accept LinkedIn requests from strangers, where I see some professional value in doing so, but I don't post pics of my family on linkedin...

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    19. Re:This happens more than you think by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) You're a kid. You've spend most of your life trying to get a high score on computer games. Facebook is fun, interactive, and on a computer, so your instincts are telling you to do well at it and get a high score. It's hard *not* to look at the friends count as a 'score', measuring how good you are at Facebook.

      2) Ever been an unpopular kid in school? Social hierarchies mean a lot to kids, and Facebook makes 'being the unpopular kid' a measurable statistic. Add a few more people and you are measurably, provably, not the unpopular kid.

      Facebook's exponential growth certainly isn't due to good design, strong privacy or those oh, so enjoyable farmville requests, it's down the the intense pressure on all students to have an above average number of friends.

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    20. Re:This happens more than you think by theArtificial · · Score: 4, Informative
      By posting it online to a social networking site you're not keeping it private and you have no expectation of privacy (here too). It's a giant site dedicated to sharing information, it's not a phone booth, or a rest room, or job interview.

      If you want to talk to your friends or brag about drugs, skipping school/work, lying about a disability etc. why not do it the old fashioned way? Writing it down leaves a paper trail; which is why when privacy is concerned things are done face to face.

      The overall trend of the judiciary seems to be moving toward greater permissiveness for e-discovery with regard to social media, as well as a strong likelihood that privacy concerns will be outweighed by the weight and relevance of the information.

      Interesting read here too, seems the courts don't always agree.

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    21. Re:This happens more than you think by bentcd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is a continuum between public and private. Telling a friend in whispers is not AS public as putting it up on a billboard, for example.

      Odin told us, more than a thousand years ago, all that we are ever going to need to know about this. Verse 63 of Havamal (translation by W H Auden & P B Taylor, http://vta.gamall-steinn.org/havamal.htm):

      It is safe to tell a secret to one,
      Risky to tell it to two,
      To tell it to three is thoughtless folly,
      Everyone else will know.

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    22. Re:This happens more than you think by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      Yeah.... but no.

      Facebook is popular because (this might shock you) people like it.

      As to high "friend scores" most of the people who use facebook aren't gamers. Nor does it have anything to do with social hierarchy. It's simple: one more friend is one more person whose gossip you have access to. The cost? One more person as an audience to your thoughts. You gain access to gossip in exchange for attention. You only benefit without any cost except for the time to press "OK". There are of course subtle and less obvious privacy questions but most people are completely oblivious to them so they aren't taken into account as a potential hazard.

      You could hide the friend # on facebook and behavior wouldn't change in the slightest.

  2. Let's hear it for Louise Losos by JoeCommodore · · Score: 4, Funny

    She put the "Pal" i n principal!

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  3. News for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slow news day eh timothy?

  4. She was running Linux.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...so calm down.

  5. Re:principal by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He just wanted to know whats in, and whats out. Who's having sex and who's not. Who's going out on Friday nights and who's staying in. A principal that truly cares for his pupils. Either that, or he wanted in on those sexy beach pictures the cheer leading captain took with all her friends this summer.

    Could you at least read the summary, if not the article? The principal is Louise Losos, a woman.

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  6. Something very similar happened at my school: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't prove it, but students in my HS seemed to be punished almost *immediately* from certain FB postings, even postings made during school hours from cell phones, etc.

    Either they had someone monitoring FB full time (doubtful), or there was a "trap" account disguised as a student that people friended by default believing the account was associated with a student at the school.

    1. Re:Something very similar happened at my school: by PPH · · Score: 2

      Don't you have a couple of fake students' FB accounts? A couple of jocks, a couple of stoners (I know, redundant), etc. They can advertise the occasional kegger at the address of an empty lot and see how fast the cops show up.

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  7. More related to nerd news than you would think by parallel_prankster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would say this one is still an okay story to put on Slashdot compared to some of the other constantly anti-Apple stories ( really, have we all come to a consensus Apple is evil and others are not? and I am not an Apple fan either ) and the anti-TSA stuff (how many stories do we need of that? We all are in agreement about that one for sure). Why is this particular story interesting? IMHO , how bad is faking your identity online ? I mean did she solicit students for sex ? or was it just to know the current vibe among? Did she just wanna be a cool principal by knowing what goes on among her students ? I briefly read the above article about the whole PE teacher thing. I dont know. Has no one used a fake name in real life ever? Does Facebook have a policy that you cannot lie about your age to underage kids ? I think it raises some interesting questions about online identities. I mean what if she was friends with some kid in the school and she got that kid to give her the username/password of their fb account (hypothetically speaking) and just looked at all her friends profiles and walls etc. Wouldn't that be similar to this?

    1. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      My guess is that she heard about the facebook page opposing the action against the coach, and created a fake account to read it. Then curiosity got the better of her and she started friending the students to see what they were up to.

      Maybe she didn't realise it was wrong. Maybe she did, but the curiosity and feeling of anonymity got the better of her.

    2. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by Threni · · Score: 2

      She pretended to be a student? Doesn't sound that wrong to me if that's all she did.

    3. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by maccodemonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "or was it just to know the current vibe among?"

      JUST to know the current vibe amount?

      JUST?

      There are so many reasons this is wrong no matter the reasons. Whatever the principal's intentions, you'd still have access to information that if the principal even sees is a possible professional violation. Who's dating/sleeping with who, possible inappropriate pictures for an administrator to see (even kids in their swimsuits is extremely questionable), and yes, opinions on school staff that could bias her opinion in ways that it should not.

      Whatever her intention, there is absolutely no professional excuse. She can't just filter out the safe information from the unsafe without seeing everything, which is the problem.

    4. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She pretended to be a student? Doesn't sound that wrong to me if that's all she did.

      If she had time for this crap then her salary was useless overhead anyway.

      Ever wonder why schools always need more and more money? Adjusted for inflation, expenditures for students and salaries for teachers haven't changed much at all relative to the far higher amount we pay for public schooling compared to 20-30 years ago. What has changed? The number of administrative staff has drastically increased.

      And this is how they use their time?

      Also, it bothers me the way you think it's acceptable for an authority figure to deceive impressionable young people in order to learn about things that happen outside of school that those young people would not have voluntarily shared with said authority figure. If you're a fan of authoritarianism and the use of surveillance with no justification, please explain why. Somehow I doubt you would personally like for your life to be subject to such people, but maybe I have that all wrong.

      It's possible they'll never admit it, but many young people would love to see an authority figure who is honest, noble, and genuinely respectable. For most of them it would be the first time they have ever witnessed such a thing.

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    5. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by causality · · Score: 2

      It's the information students share WITH THE WHOLE WORLD ONLY?

      ... that she felt a need to lie in order to obtain.

      See, it's the lying and the blatant dishonesty that is the problem here. It should never be tolerated from any authority figure. Especially those who work with impressionable youth.

      Is that really so difficult to understand?

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    6. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not that wrong? As an agent of the government at best it's a 4th amendment violation, it she was aiming to take action against people who criticized her that should be a 1st amendment violation.

      There seems to be no possible motivation for this behavior that isn't pretty creepy. Maybe we just have different definitions of wrong.

    7. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by rohan972 · · Score: 2

      You seem to acknowledge the possibility of good intentions. The "just to know the current vibe" comment you were replying to IS a bad intention. Government employees who deceive in order to monitor private communications are presumed to have bad intentions. If they have good intentions, they would obtain a warrant or be open about who they are and they're doing. The deception proves bad faith.

      Forget the technology, imagine she had called them or wrote a letter claiming to be someone else, or put on a disguise and approached them out of school and tried to befriend them. I don't see any grey area on this issue.

    8. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by maccodemonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's the information students share WITH THE WHOLE WORLD ONLY?

      No it's not. Facebook has privacy settings to select who you share information with. No, that's not ironclad, but it's also no excuse for the principal to misrepresent herself to acquire this information that she could have not easily acquired without friending the kids.

      If the whole world could get at the info, she wouldn't have needed to friend them in the first place, would she?

    9. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by swalve · · Score: 2

      I agree with some of this stuff, but what I find more wrong about the whole thing is that the principal *wanted* to know the facebook gossip. Bad priorities. A teacher, and especially an administrator, should really not be concerned with that stuff.

    10. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by rohan972 · · Score: 2

      Nonsense. The government can not legally punish you for protected speech. Such as in this case, criticism of a government official.

    11. Re:More related to nerd news than you would think by Elldallan · · Score: 2

      The blame for events such as this lies largely with the fact that society keeps pushing teachers to be more than suppliers and distributors of knowledge that they are supposed to be.

      Society as a whole has started expecting teachers to be psychologists, parents, moral guardians, mediators, police and what not.
      As long as we keep expecting teachers to do more than teach students in math, chemistry and history etc. then to be able to fulfill all these additional obligations they will need additional tools and if they are not provided these tools then they will find other ways to gain the necessary information/tools.

  8. Know your friends by bbartlog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was on Facebook, I didn't friend anyone unless I actually *knew* the person. If you friend someone on Facebook just because they friended you and you want a really big number of friends, well... the joke is probably on you.

    1. Re:Know your friends by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I was on Facebook, I didn't friend anyone unless I actually *knew* the person.

      I feel the same way. That's why Facebook is completely useless to me and never appealed to me. Make sense? If I had some unhealthy need for the casual attention of strangers and distant acquaintences then I would have a case for using Facebook.

      If I wanted substandard Web hosting or if I wanted to play frivolous mini-games I can do that without the long list of downsides that come with using Facebook.

      Yes... Facebook is pretty useless if you don't actually have any friends, and I certainly wouldn't suggest that you should use it. For those of us who do have friends, though, it's a convenient way to stay in touch (particularly for friends I can't see regularly because they don't live nearby).

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  9. Surprisingly common occurence by nlitement · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure who or what the persons are who do this, but as someone with around 300 Facebook friends, I've received at least 5 friend requests from dummy profiles (fake name, fake profile pic, awfully "sterile" personal info) with an oddly high number of mutual friends. I doubt it was any of our teachers as they use their real profiles and friended us if they wished to, including our principal. Could it be some sort of a bot for harvesting personal information that would otherwise be inaccessible to non-friends, or just a stalker from within my/my friends' social circle who's trying to remain anonyous?

  10. Losos could be in the shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If "Suzy Harriston" was indeed a fake profile created by Losos, then she violated a recent Missouri law which went into effect this year which bans teachers from friending students. What's worse, the school district seems to be covering up any attempt to find out if that's the reason why she resigned.

    1. Re:Losos could be in the shit by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If "Suzy Harriston" was indeed a fake profile created by Losos, then she violated a recent Missouri law which went into effect this year which bans teachers from friending students.

      Is a principal considered a teacher here in the US?
      I grew up elsewhere, where the academic staff is separate from general staff, so this is a genuine question.

    2. Re:Losos could be in the shit by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Generally, for HR-type purposes, 'teachers' and 'administrators' are distinct groups(different salary structures, different hiring processes, administrators are frequently not unionized where teachers are, etc.). In practice, much of admin in a school district will have been drawn from the pool of teachers at some point in the past, and will have education and experience in teaching, some fresher than others.

    3. Re:Losos could be in the shit by yoshi_mon · · Score: 2

      I'm a little shocked that there are so many general shrugs in this thread at what she did. Everything between oh well it is Facebook, what do you expect? To that it is FOR THE CHILDREN!

      I may have missed something but that was my 1st thought upon opening this thread was what is the legality here? And it took a lot of comments before anything was said to that point. Le sigh.

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    4. Re:Losos could be in the shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is a principal considered a teacher here in the US?

      The word "principal" is short for "principal teacher", from way back when.

      I'm not quite sure when principals stopped teaching as a matter of course.

  11. And she'd have gotten away with it too... by m1kesm1th · · Score: 5, Funny

    if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.

  12. Re:Political correctness has gone far too far. by jpapon · · Score: 2

    It actually makes sense to use "them" in this case, because the gender is, in fact, not known. All that is known is the "gender" of the nom de plume, which is inherently suspect. The gender of the author is unknown, thus a gender-neutral pronoun is appropriate.

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  13. Re:Political correctness has gone far too far. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    It grates badly enough on old ears to hear "they" and "them" be used for singular

    Only if you're a moron. The practice dates back to at least Chaucer, presumably earlier since it's unlikely he invented it. 'They' has been the gender neutral singular since Middle English. It's a lot older than you are, so I can only conclude that it grates on your ears because you never read any proper literature in the English language (like Shakespeare, Jane Austen, or George Bernard Shaw). The idea that it shouldn't be the gender neutral singular is a fabrication of 19th century assholes. Don't be like them.

  14. Re:principal by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 5, Informative

    n stories like this, it's almost never worth reading the article, and the summary is usually wrong anyway. The reporter spent 400 words to expand a 40 word brief, and then another 600 words on a story that is only vaguely related because the principal apparently used the fake profile to spy on kids who supported some guy who was fired.

    Having read this article closely, now I feel sorry for Ms. Bock that she's got such a shitty beat...

    Ms. Bock did more than just puff up a story - there was the fact-checking of school records to see if there was such a student, as well as a search of public records for ANYONE with that name. That's more than what passes for "reporting" on Faux News.

    She also put it into the greater context of the on-going school board problems.

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  15. How daft are these kids... by superdude72 · · Score: 2

    ...to accept a friend request from someone they've never heard of? Is this why all the kids have 600 FB friends despite their actually pretty limited social circles?

  16. Re:Political correctness has gone far too far. by FrootLoops · · Score: 2

    Everything different grates on someone's old ears; forgive me, but I don't really care. If your only objection to something is no more than a vague distaste, you should at least keep your opinion to yourself and not try forcing it on others. Either have a good reason to dislike something or stay out of it.

    I haven't heard a single substantive argument for barring singular "they" and "them"--calling their use "incorrect" or "ungrammatical" is not sufficient. On the other hand, there are a number of good reasons to allow this usage: it fills a genuinely useful niche in language, it avoids the subtly sexist gender-neutral "he", and most English speakers use it in everyday life already.

  17. Re:Political correctness has gone far too far. by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Informative grammar Nerd crushes grammar Nazi like a grape, win-win!

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  18. Re:Dating students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Well given a teacher at a school in X area likely taught most adults in X area it hardly seems fair to forbid teachers from entering into relationships with adults that happen to have been taught by them at some point. Such limitations would severely limit the pool of available partners.
    Perhaps in my naivety I'm too quick to discard the possibility that they had really married people that were still students at the time and that this somehow wasn't common knowledge. My apologies if this is the case.

  19. I went to the same high school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hi, posting AC 'cuz im lazy.

    I went to school with this woman, her older sister was in my class and IIRC they both went to Harvard. My point in saying that is that I'd always had the impression that these were smart ladies. Certainly older sister is, I believe she is a scientist of some sort now. I really don't keep up with people from high school.

    We went to a public high school in a nice part of St. Louis, Louise went back after college and taught there for 8 years apparently.

    If you google her name you will see her LinkedIn page pop up. You can see she has an extensive background getting her degrees, including a Ph.D.

    She is plenty smart to know better than to spy on the students. If she just had to know what was going on in her school, she should have actually taken the time to get to know people and talk to them. To me this is only common sense.

    No telling what happened to that in her 25 years of education/work since she left high school. People change, but I dont see where it is right to spy on kids on Facebook. As a matter of fact, I find it rather nosy and a bit creepy.

    Clayton, Mo. is a wealthy city just immediately west of the city of St. Louis itself, so they will do everything to cover this one up and pretend it never happened.

    1. Re:I went to the same high school by wrook · · Score: 2

      Maybe if you friend request her on Facebook, she'll let some details slide. Keep us informed!

  20. Re:Look, A Grammar Nazi! Stop Them! by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why do you feel it needs fighting? I really don't think it's critically important to communicate gender with every use of a pronoun.

    I'm not just an old curmudgeon who resists changes because they're changes. When they make the language more precise, I'm all for them. But when a change makes the language less precise, I will fight it.

    I think fighting "singular they" is important because it isn't just using a gender neutral singular, but a plural. This causes ambiguity and misunderstandings.

    Let me give an example:
    "The gang members were restless and their leader was high on drugs."
    Whether the next sentence is "Later that afternoon, he killed Mrs. Jones" or "Later that afternoon, they killed Mrs. Jones" makes a big difference.

    We don't have a "proper" gender-neutral singular pronoun, so we use "they" and "them" instead.

    We have several. We can use "it" about children and animals, even when the gender is known. Then there is "one", which admittedly has a limited use, but it still is not use nearly as often as it could be, and at least the plurality isn't in doubt.

    And "he/him" does double duty as both the male pronoun and the unspecified gender pronoun. No, it's not perfect, and I wish we had a common gender pronoun, but it's still better than using a word that's even more burdened: What we don't have in English are gender specific pronouns for plural. "They/them" does triple duty already. Don't overburden it with singular too. It isn't equipped for the job.

    That the reflective pronoun for "human" is "he" isn't sexism, any more than the reflective pronoun for the Swedish "människa" (human) is "hon" (she).