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America's Next Bomber: Unmanned, Unlimited Range, Aimed At China

An anonymous reader writes "The U.S. military is developing its next generation bomber with Chinese anti-access strategy — the ability to stop any enemy force from coming to fight with things like carrier killer missiles — in mind. The new bomber will replace older platforms like the 1950's B-52, the 1970's B-1, and 1990's B-2 stealth bomber. The new bomber will sport some unique qualities. It will have an option to be unmanned, will act similar to a UAV, have better stealth capabilities, will be connected to U.S. intelligence networks to create a 'smart' battlefield environment, and have near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling."

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  1. And once it's connected to US military networks... by WarSpiteX · · Score: 5, Funny

    It will also be a great way to take out some hacker's ex-girlfriend's house in Nevada. Damn bitch left him for a cop.

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  2. near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just like the B52...

    I wonder how easy it would be to turn a B52 into a UAV? I mean, they can still send Slim Pickens along to get the bombs un-stuck, but otherwise unmanned.

    1. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder how easy it would be to turn a B52 into a UAV?

      There are $55 billion reasons not to turn B-52s into UAVs

      The new "Long-Range Strike Bomber" [...] just $550 million per copy for up to 100 copies, with production beginning in the early 2020s. The U.S. Congress approved the first $300 million in development funding late last year. The Pentagon has vowed to cancel the Long-Range Strike Bomber if the total projected program cost exceeds $55 billion.

      Maybe they should just strip down the F-22 fleet and make them unmanned.
      I bet they could do that for ~$100 million per plane.

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    2. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by SomePgmr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not involved in the bomber project they're talking about here, but I noticed that it looks almost exactly like the drone Boeing was fiddling with... just scaled up.

      I wouldn't be surprised if this is basically a way to salvage (at least on a ledger somewhere) a huge amount of R&D costs sunk on a machine that never got bought up.

    3. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basically they are just a way to baboozle 55 billion dollars out of the US treasury with whispers in the dark of the yellow terror. With stealth cruise missiles that can be fired from land, ships, submarines and aircraft, why the hell would you stuff around with a 550 million dollar bomber whose only real purpose is to cost 550 million dollars.

      You could imagine US corporations paying kickbacks to Chinese Officials to ramp up war talk and publicly advertise and exaggerate military capability. I wonder how big a bribe someone like Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman would pay a few Chinese Officials to make threatening noises and to go on a militaristic marketing spree. A 10 million dollar investment out of one of those off shore tax haves, sure would, has, will go a long way to get some hostile words out of officials from China.

      Besides it's in the Government of China's best interest to send the US broke by allowing the US military Industrial complex to spend trillions preparing to fight a fictitious war and with US lobbyists in the game, treasonous US politicians are right in it up to their necks.

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    4. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by tsotha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the pilots are very expensive. It costs millions of dollars to train a military pilot. By the time we retire the B-52, I'd hazard a guess that nearly every airframe has cost less than the military spent on the pilots that flew it over the years.

    5. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the pilots cost less than the flight crew, and the flight crew costs less than the maintenance base, and the maintenance base costs less than the logistics supply chain...

      $55B is just airframe production + R&D, the real expense is in deployment.

    6. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because cruise missiles typically have a range of 200-600 miles. Submarines and ships can only reach 600 miles from the coast; you need a launcher on land within 600 miles of your intended target. .

      Where in the world did you get that from. As an ex submariner I can say FOR CERTAIN that submarines can get WAAY closer than 600 miles. Try maybe 6. If the water is over 50 feet deep, a sub can go there (and often does).

      Just sayin'

    7. Re:near unlimited range thanks to in-air refueling by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Informative

      The other issue is that cruise missiles carry a limited amount of ordnance, so they're not going to be effective against heavily fortified targets. The Iranian nuclear facility at Fordow is buried under 200 feet of mountain and heavily reinforced with concrete. To destroy a hardened target like that, you need heavy-duty weapons like the 30,000 lb. Massive Ordnance Penetrator. And to drop an MOP, you need a bomber. Right now the B-2 is the only aircraft the U.S. has that is capable of both penetrating air defenses and carrying that kind of payload, and the B-2 fleet consists of a total of 20 aircraft.

  3. Holy Flamebait Summary by artor3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who the hell lets this shit through? The new bomber is designed to counter new strategies. That doesn't mean it's "aimed at China". That's a needlessly belligerent phrase -- either warmongering or scaremongering over the prospects of war. If England develops bullets that can pierce American body armor, will we hear about new "British Guns Aimed at America!"?

    Sorry chickenhawks, but America and China won't go to war. Our economies are far too interdependent.

    1. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it's a typo and it's supposed to say 'made in China'.

    2. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by LeperPuppet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's how you sell new weapons systems. This one's all about threatening China because it's hard to talk up the usefulness of $500m+ bombers against insurgencies.

    3. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by gman003 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, it *will* be aimed at China. It will also be aimed at North Korea, Iran, Russia, really any place that a) still has buildings to blow up and b) once looked at us funny.

    4. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or possibly, given the size of the national debt, 'Paid by China'.

    5. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by tsotha · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the wiki page on the Delaware class battleship:

      For reasons including expected hostilities with Japan, requiring travel across the Pacific Ocean, long operational range was a recurrent theme in all US battleship designs.

      Congress authorized the Delaware class in 1906, thirty five years before the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. That war was decades in the making.

    6. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry chickenhawks, but America and China won't go to war. Our economies are far too interdependent.

      I'd never trust where the guns are going to point during a collapse. A good example now is Greece which is starting to fall apart, they voted in a neo-nazi party (according to everyone but themselves, they just call themselves nationalist and patriotic) with 7% of the votes that promises to expel all immigrants, put landmines on the border to Turkey to stop illegal crossings, they sell Mein Kampf at the party office and they do the Nazi salute (which they say is an ancient Roman and Greek salute). And while Greece has over 20% unemployment and a constant recession since 2008 they haven't even been thrown out of the euro or the EU yet so the situation could get a lot worse.

      And behind Greece there's a whole lot of other dominos lined up that are also fighting a collapse, Spain and Italy being the prime concerns right now. I don't really think people see how bad the the worst case scenarios can get because these countries have been borrowing from each other just like the Lehman collapse, if one goes down the whole house of cards starts falling apart. And I'm sure the world economy doesn't need another kick in the balls from Europe, it seems down enough as it is. The whole of the 2000s after the dotcoms is starting to look like the world's biggest bubble, I don't mean any particular branch like housing but the whole world economy. That 2008 = 1929 and we're now early into the 1930s, I pray we don't get to the end of them...

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    7. Re:Holy Flamebait Summary by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The truth is that this will really be aimed at China and North Korea because their locations make it really hard for the US to project any force in the region. The Middle East isn't a problem because we can base our weapons in friendly nations, and Russia isn't a problem because we have Poland and Turkey and those countries. The China/NK problem will only get worse as these countries develop anti-access weapons such as rockets and ballistic missiles. In China's case, the J-20 stealth fighter is probably going to be a strike fighter that is stealth only from the front; if you have a base nearby, China will flood your defenses with J-20s, then bomb it to pieces.

      The new generation of bombers will be stealth enough to penetrate deep into enemy territory, big enough to carry munitions that can destroy bunkers (which cruise missiles can't do), and can be unmanned so they can be made cheaper and deployed more readily than the B-2.

      Right now, the B-2 only has a two-man crew. Even if you refuel all the time, eventually the crew gets tired and has to sleep and the mission has to end. But with a drone, you can conceivably have the mission go on indefinitely if you can figure out how to refuel in flight. You can have extended loiter capabilities in enemy territory, which can be killer. The first wave of stealth goes in and bombs the known enemy air defenses. They carry bombs in reserve and loiter. The second wave comes in and when anyone opens their radar, the loiter drones pop them from behind. You can get pretty creative when you can fly a drone for days in a row.

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  4. Hardware backdoors by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The U.S. military is developing its next generation bomber with Chinese anti-access strategy"

    That can only be achieved if there's ZERO electronic components made in China in the aircraft....Good luck with that.

    Nov 2011 Article: US weapons 'full of fake Chinese parts'
    Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8876656/US-weapons-full-of-fake-Chinese-parts.html

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    1. Re:Hardware backdoors by artor3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, you misunderstand the counterfeit part issue.

      It's not that we're worried about hardware backdoors. No one's gonna slip a backdoor into your resistor. The few parts complex enough to hold a backdoor get made in the US.

      What we are worried about is that the resistors, line drivers, relays, etc. aren't actually spec'd for the environment they'll be used in. Consumer grade electronics, for example, are generally made to work from around 0 to 70 degrees C. Military grade is something like -55 to 125 degC. If you design a plane in which your circuit will need to operate at 100 degC, and you buy parts that can handle that stress, and some cheap Chinese manufacturer gives you consumer grade parts instead, then your circuit could fail at a very inopportune time.

    2. Re:Hardware backdoors by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "That can only be achieved if there's ZERO electronic components made in China in the aircraft" -- the Department of Defense funds the Trusted Foundry Program for just this purpose.

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  5. Hold on a second... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We give them all our money and jobs, and then spend a fortune to arm ourselves against them. Something.....is.....wrong.....here.

    1. Re:Hold on a second... by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Think of it from the Chinese end: "We're loaning these guys money which they're using to buy weapons that can defeat our defenses. Something is very wrong here...."

    2. Re:Hold on a second... by tsotha · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you put it that way, we look like the smart ones :)

  6. And whoever modded this as "funny" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you modded the parent as "funny", I assume that you mean in an ironic sort of way. Because, the parent is right on target - so to speak. As a matter of fact, my Taiwanese friends are under the impression that if China decides to assert her ownership of Taiwan, the US would huff and puff and wouldn't do shit about it; hence why the Taiwanese diaspora here in the US.

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  7. Re:U.S. loves to kill things by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anybody who thinks China isn't 'the enemy' is smoking something good (come on, share it, dude). The next set of wars will be resource wars (just like the last ones). Likely by proxy and likely 'low intensity' but they will be wars nonetheless. The chance of the US and China going full out turn-the-the-guy-into-molten-glass is pretty low (but non zero).

    There will be too much competition for oil (and possibly water) in the next 50 years. We're not doing anything to mitigate growth - our economy requires growth to survive - and so does China's.

    That said, the idea that we need half billion dollar UAV bombers to pound somebody's jungle into a parking lot seems a tad over the top. TFA was really just an exercise in Pentagon babble, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing....

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  8. Re:Meanwhile ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before then, it'll be destroyed by itself, at this rate.

  9. Not possible, Ace. by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would take the concerted effort of the majority of the world to "destroy" the USA militarily, leaving aside nukes or really good sneakiness. They have the strongest military in the world and very good logistics, and have adequate food, water, and oil supplies to sustain any war. Although industrial capacity has diminished in recent decades, a combination the military industrial complex and the U.S. auto industry means that it is still capable of the industry necessary for war. In terms of underwear bombs, the United States is so huge that while a proliferation of bombs would of course radically change life in the country, they would not destroy it.

    Destruction is more likely to be wrought from poor incentive structures in U.S. government, which makes effective and necessary change very difficult.

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    1. Re:Not possible, Ace. by wisty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rome wasn't burnt in a day, either.

    2. Re:Not possible, Ace. by Dekker3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that's the point: they're going through their resources (and morals) so quickly out of fear of those scary muslims that they'll eventually destroy themselves in non-military ways. Rather than being conquered, they'll be rendered irrelevant by their own actions.

    3. Re:Not possible, Ace. by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The country is doing okay. The government... not so much. Many of the policies put in place over the last 50 years have been directly detrimental to the interests of the peoples of the United States.

      When I, and many others, took the military entrance oath, it included the phrase ,"defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Many of the actions taken by the government, and its myriad subordinate entities, would easily fall into that category. The problem is that even if you throw out the old rascals, the new ones probably won't be much better for very long.

      The people that want to "use the methods of the system to clean it up" are stuck in a bad place. They want to fix the system, but the system has protected itself by making sure that the methods in place quit working. Instead the methods simply point out which ants need to have a finger put on them.

      I love my country. It's people are my family. It's natural resources and history are my treasures. I understand now why my 97 year old grandmother was so ashamed of what our government had become. It hurts my family. It steals my treasures. It makes me a criminal in my own home.

      It's setting up the conditions for the Second American Civil War. Too many people have little to nothing left to lose.And that number is growing despite the claims of a "recovery". The current policy makers seem to think that if they keep us distracted by constant foreign war, we'll not notice the corruption of our leaders, or the growing impoverishment of the people. That we're not informed enough, or smart enough to take a step back and see the big picture.

      They know it would only take a spark in the right, or wrong, place to set the country ablaze. The internment camps have been built and in place for decades, and various agencies, policies, and procedures created to help control a popular uprising. It's understandable, of course. Any organism without a sense of self-preservation dies quickly, and a government is definitely an organisation. But it's poisoned itself for so long, it's starting to choke and wither. Soon, it won't even be able to defend itself against its own people, who've been disenfranchised and made into modern Huns. So many people are already enslaved in the American penal system, that numerically it's a country in its' own right.

      Forget the scary "muslims", be afraid of the politicians, and the homeless, and the vanishing middle class who will soon be homeless.

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    4. Re:Not possible, Ace. by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Funny

      Rome wasn't burnt in a day, either.

      True but, as communication technology has improved the rise and fall of empires has speeded up considerably. The Roman empire took several centuries to collapse, the British empire took a few decades. If that trend carries on one day you may wake up to the new Slashdotian empire in the morning, watch it grow over lunchtime and it will have collapsed and disappeared in time for tea.

    5. Re:Not possible, Ace. by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The country is doing okay.

      Too many people have little to nothing left to lose.And that number is growing despite the claims of a "recovery".

      That's not what I'd call "okay". Unless by "country" you mean the land mass or the geopolitical borders.

      Regarding the rest of your commentary, unfortunately I have to disagree.,Tthe US still has high standards of living when compared to most of the southern hemisphere. People usually tolerate way, way, way shittier conditions without revolting, so you still have a long way to fall before any sort of spark sets the country ablaze. Also, the larger the country, the harder it is to mobilize a significant group. That is part of why europeans have better political representation, on the whole (not to say that they don't fuck up royally on a regular basis, but nevertheless it's still better than the US).

    6. Re:Not possible, Ace. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Funny

      In terms of underwear bombs, the United States is so huge that while a proliferation of bombs would of course radically change life in the country, they would not destroy it.

      A war on underwear would result in the entire country going commando.

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    7. Re:Not possible, Ace. by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The country is doing okay. The government... not so much. Many of the policies put in place over the last 50 years have been directly detrimental to the interests of the peoples of the United States.

      Not if you count corporations as 'people'. If you do then the policies have been a fantastic success!

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    8. Re:Not possible, Ace. by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      In terms of underwear bombs, the United States is so huge that while a proliferation of bombs would of course radically change life in the country, they would not destroy it.

      A war on underwear would result in the entire country going commando.

      Yes, but imagine the effort it would take to debrief an entire country

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    9. Re:Not possible, Ace. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If that trend carries on one day you may wake up to the new Slashdotian empire in the morning, watch it grow over lunchtime and it will have collapsed and disappeared in time for tea.

      I, for one, welcome our 1-day long Slashdotian Empire overlords

    10. Re:Not possible, Ace. by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would take the concerted effort of the majority of the world to "destroy" the USA militarily

      The USSR wasn't destroyed militarily, it collapsed under the effort of paying for all the military dick waving.

      However many big expensive toys it has, the USA can be taken down by a well funded terrorist organization. ALl they need to do is start blowing up a few airport scanner queues, etc., and the politicians will spend enough 'emergency' money for the USA to collapse under its own debt. Another country invasion (eg. Iran) would do the trick, no fancy new stealth missiles or long range bombers necessary.

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    11. Re:Not possible, Ace. by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The USSR 'paid' for its military production by sacrificing investment in it's people, education and consumer goods in order to maintain expenditures in it's military. Where the resources are allocated matters. It also did so using a very inefficient (though theoretically nonprofit) model. The corrupt officials didn't need profits to move most of the remaining production into their pockets. When Perestroika kicked in and let people see what they were missing things started to fall apart and when they didn't quickly and oppressively use the military it came totally apart.

      The US has also allocated resources to its military which don't improve people, education, consumer production or create consumer goods. These might be necessary expenditures but the fact is that the government spends on behalf of each family about $6k for defense. The wars have run another $10k. If part of that could have gone elsewhere without imperiling safety other benefits would have been received.

    12. Re:Not possible, Ace. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 4, Informative

      It still constitutes an effort and resources that weren't spent on other things.

      As I explained before, they were now. In US, government has a resource "ability to print money and give them to a bunch of rich guys without tanking the value of dollar". If it printed money (well, "loaned" them) and given them to military companies to pay for their profits, it can't print more to give them to medical insurance companies for their profits, and to textbook companies for their profits -- there would be so many dollars around, they would become unusable for international oil trade. So US can have either huge military or working healthcare and education.

      In USSR everything was much simpler. Pay people salary that matches available amounts of consumer goods plus food, electricity and other living expenses for a given population. There is no "investment", so salaries will be spent on that, no point making them either higher or lower. Set mandatory standards for education, so people will be able to perform complex kinds of work, and would be bored out of their mind if they didn't have anything to do. Now, those people are your resource -- the only one that you have any chance to overuse unless you are dumb enough to run out of natural resources. Balance various kinds of industry and agriculture, and you have a stable society. That's what GOSPLAN was for -- with mathematicians working on optimization and stability.

      So yes, it would be possible for military to drain resources out of the rest of the system -- it would happen if country ran out of people for everything else. Everyone would have to live in remote, isolated military industry towns, where all such production happened, and the rest of the country would be empty. Wind would blow tumbleweed across streets of Moscow and Leningrad. Do any of you realize how stupid that is?

      There were thousands of ways to mess up USSR economy. They could miscalculate the amount of cash and mismatch it with products. They could over-emphasize infrastructure and have it unused because expansion of consumer goods production didn't keep up with it. They could over-emphasize consumer goods and overtax the infrastructure. They could underdevelop transportation and lose flexibility, thus having industry tied to established locations and require enormous effort to make any changes. They could piss off intelligentsia, lose the quality of education, and lag in industrial R&D. Many, many other things couls hurt USSR-style economy. But the idea that excessive military production did, or even could, produce enough harm to damage the economy is completely retarded. It's invention of Reagan-era US propaganda, and just like the rest of Reagan-era US propaganda, it makes no sense.

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  10. Too Goddamn Expensive by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This plan is just a way to spend $TRILLIONS on US military/intel crony capitalists.

    If the US just spent $1T on an industrial policy, and put China's neighbors in charge of their own military defense (but shared our intel), we'd have security, peace, and $TRILLIONS more. Not to mention the increased GDP and taxes from it, with a better functioning industrial system.

    But that wouldn't dedicate all our money and effort to the war business. Which is the business that controls America.

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  11. It can be even cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next-Generation Bomber: just $550 million per copy for up to 100 copies, with production beginning in the early 2020s.

    At these dollar amounts, it's cheaper to purchase one bomber, then make 99 copies yourself and just pay the fine for copyright infringement.

  12. Re:Meanwhile ... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the other hand, the hysteria over Muslim terrorists is preventing the US from investing its time and money in competing with China (and EU, and BRIC, and the rest of our global competitors). The underwear bomb isn't going to destroy America. But forcing every traveller through the underwear bomb detectors that don't work is surely destroying America. Along with all the other colossal wastes inspired by Muslim terrorists in our insane backlash.

    A few hundred $billion invested in intel and assassinations, under a new legal regime that allows legitimate, Constitutional US courts to determine that certain specific people and militias are legitimate targets, would destroy the Muslim terrorist threat. Combined with a few hundred $billion more invested in education, trade and counter propaganda in the cesspools where these terrorists fester.

    But instead, we're playing head-pong over "CHINA!" "TERRORISM!", responding badly to each. Because we insist on rage and paranoid overreactions, instead of careful strategy that uses force only as a last resort, not the first and only method.

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  13. Re:Meanwhile ... by Nimey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ayup. We collapsed the USSR by forcing them to compete with our military spending, and now we're letting guerrillas "force" us to spend money we haven't got on our military.

    Bin Laden was a bastard, but you have to admire a professionally done job.

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  14. Re:U.S. loves to kill things by Frangible · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wrong. No one uses uranium to make weapons. No one. Uranium can only be used in gun-type designs which are 1) inherently unsafe and 2) extremely inefficient. When India and Pakistan developed nukes, they were full Teller-Ulam designs. If you think Iran would waste perfectly good uranium in a weapon, you're wrong. They wouldn't. They would use that uranium to breed Plutonium-239 and use *that* in a weapon. Uranium is very common, but not common enough to waste it in weapons when you can create vast amounts of Pu-239 with it.

    Meanwhile, yes, the world's medical isotope supply is VERY DEPENDENT upon HEU targets. LEU is very inefficient, doesn't work for shit. So-called "anti proliferation" efforts have resulted in a near inability to generate medical isotopes to the point where if a reactor goes offline people die. And there are only FOUR REACTORS in the entire world producing medical isotopes. All are past their lifespan and running when a power-generating reactor wouldn't be allowed to. Every year they save more lives than nuclear weapons and accidents have ever killed.

    I hope one of those four reactors doesn't go down when you or your family require cancer treatment or diagnostic imaging. Not like moly cows last too long.

    "Well yes, we'd love to give you the best treatment for your rapidly growing cancer we can and find out where it is in your body with some nice Tc-99m, but well, a reactor went offline and due to political lobbying by anti-nuclear activists and the US state department, it will be at least 25 years until a replacement can be built. Although one probably never will be. But the chapel is down the hall and to the left..."

  15. Re:Meanwhile ... by jimmydevice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    His passion was to destroy the USA.
    He succeeded beyond his wildest imagination.

  16. Re:And once it's connected to US military networks by WarSpiteX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To the mods:

    I don't think I intended this to be funny. It was a few hours ago, so I admit my perspective may be skewed, but I think I was highlighting the fact that "unhackable" had the same veracity as "unsinkable" w.r.t. the Titanic. It's only a matter of time before someone figures out how to take control with a hack.

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  17. Re:Meanwhile ... by rich_hudds · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually China owns about 10% of the USA's debt. Same amount as Japan.

    From Wikipedia about 47% of the debt is owned by foreign investors, the top 7 being ...

    China, Japan, Brazil, Taiwan, Switzerland, Russia, and the United Kingdom holding respectively approximately $1.16 trillion, $1.08 trillion, $230 billion, $178 billion, $145 billion, $143 billion, and $142 billion as of January 2012.