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Nanotech Solar Cell Minimizes Cost, Toxic Impact

bonch writes "Researches at Northwestern University have developed an inexpensive solar cell intended to solve the problems of current solar cell designs, such as high cost, low efficiency, and toxic production materials (abstract). Based on the Grätzel cell, the new cell uses millions of light-absorbing nanoparticles and delivers the highest conversion efficiency reported for a dye-sensitized solar cell."

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  1. Oh neat! by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More ground-breaking world-changing solar technology that will neither break ground or change the world because it will never make it to the consumer.

    1. Re:Oh neat! by balzi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, with the rise of the electric car, renewable electricity is directly lined up against oil in a HUGE way!

      Sometimes thinking clearly needs a minute or two to kick in

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    2. Re:Oh neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're right, no improvements to solar panel technology ever reach the market. That's why the cost of solar power has been in freefall for several years.

      No wait, I forgot, it's all the Chinese, right? They flooded the market SO HARD that it broke the space-time continuum and made solar prices fall even before they entered the market at all!

    3. Re:Oh neat! by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      For whatever it may (or may not) be worth to an anonymous coward that apparently failed entirely to get the point of my statement, I actually am *opposed* to the currently restrictive and self-destructive import tariffs the US has been placing on exported Chineese solar panels. I'm sick of the pissing contests and the vapor ware. I just want more cost-effectively cheap solar panels and frankly I long ago stopped caring where they even come from. I don't necessarily speak for my other US brethren, but I would be willing to bet that most of us would be HAPPY to buy chineese solar panels sold at a loss if it meant being able to afford solar paneling our places of residence for the first time ... basically EVER. See, you might not know this but (in the US at least) solar power is so fucking expensive that (ironically) only people who could give a rat's ass about the rising cost of using the existing electrical grid can actually afford to buy into it. /rant

    4. Re:Oh neat! by mellon · · Score: 2

      Anything that pays for itself in 20 years can be paid for on time. There are companies forming around this very idea today. You buy the panels, install them at someone's home, and they pay you monthly for the panels. You deduct interest and depreciation, and suddenly the panels cost a lot less than they did. The only sad thing is that this can only be done by businesses—private individuals can't write the panels' depreciation off as a business expense.

    5. Re:Oh neat! by Xeranar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course the expense in solar power is installation but we've proven that for middle and lower economic class citizens cost of entry is usually the barrier for most advances. Picture the advance of the automobile. At the turn of the 20th century most people used mass transit (both public and private) by the turn of the 21st century that was relegated to the poorest of our society only, yes, I know exceptions exist but fundamentally I am speaking about the vast majority of Americans that live outside of the Big-5 cities. The cost of covering most dwellings in the US is negligible compared to the power savings they would generate if the government subsidized the initial installation. As panels would wear out unevenly cost of replacement would become manageable for the average middle-class household. Single high quality panels are sub-$1000 and in my area are hovering around $5-600. That's a manageable cost compared to the 25K+ it can run to install. Thus it is simply a question of how do we get the entry barrier low enough to make the argument feasible. New construction would be an obvious choice as tacking 25K onto the asking price of a home already north of 150K is minimal considering the immediate savings gained. But currently built homes would need the most government initiative to make it function. I picture essentially the TVA done over. Incur the debt today to increase productivity tomorrow.

      Then again replying to Geekoid is pretty much feeding a troll if his past comments are anything. He's a walking encyclopedia of stupid thoughts and insults laced together to appear pseudo-intellectual.

    6. Re:Oh neat! by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      I've wanted to go solar for a long time.

      Here's the problem.

      Right now, given $40k, I can get a consistent, tax free, risk free return of $1,800. I'm getting that now in fact.

      That's more than my electric bill.

      Due to the drop in natural gas prices, 10 cfl bulbs, six LED bulbs, and some shopping around, my electric bill is down to $880 per year- and that's locked in for three years. That's in a climate that is over 90 degrees for about 100 days a year.

      Right now, I've gotten a much bigger return from buying six quality LED bulbs and putting them in the lights in my house which are on a lot than I ever could from solar. And I can afford that for $23 per bulb.

      I still want to go solar. But it doesn't make sense financially.

      Alternatively, I was planning on going solar without batteries to just lower the "premium" portion of the electric bills but at this point, my annual savings would be under $200 at a cost of over $5000.

      If they ever get a turnkey system that costs $1000 and will drive a 13,500 btu window unit- with a durable capacitor instead of batteries, that might work. I've seen examples with 6 or 8 panels driving one successfully.

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    7. Re:Oh neat! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      $25k to install, WTF? Why does it cost so much? Seems like it should be possible to DIY if you have the electrical knowledge...

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    8. Re:Oh neat! by cusco · · Score: 2

      Almost no one does any more. My neighbor had an electrician at his house one day. I asked him what was up and he said that an outlet broke in the kid's room so it had to be replaced. Not a stupid man, nor a rich one, but the idea that he didn't need to pay for something like that was utterly beyond him. He didn't seem to believe me when I told him that I had completely re-wired our previous house by myself.

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  2. Re:Did whoever wrote the summary read the article? by balzi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's important to note though, that if you can make twice as much panel area for less money, then you are being more efficient.
    At the end of the day they are aiming for two different efficiencies:
    1. A lower $cost/output
    2. A higher output/environmental-footprint ratio.

    I've heard that currently the rule-of-thumb for Photo-Voltaic arrays is 4 years operation before they pay for themselves. Maybe this new technology will lower that significantly

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  3. Re:Doesn't help by similar_name · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sun shines all day - when my car is in the underground car park - at work.

    So home Solar and electric cars don't work together in any useful way.

    Electric cars have a long way to go before they can replace combustion engines but your post doesn't really mean anything. The solar cells don't have to be on the car.

  4. Not bad, actually by tocsy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before we get a lot of comments saying "what's so good about this?" it's actually pretty interesting. I did some undergraduate research with dye-sensitized solar cells (and am currently a graduate student researching inorganic semiconductors) and the basic thing you hear is that if you can get an organic solar cell to 10% efficient, they will be viable because they're so much cheaper than inorganics. While this may be true, the problem with dye-sensitized cells is, like they say in the paper, that they degrade in a rather short period of time. I saw this first-hand doing research on them - we had to make sure our batches were kept in darkness while making them otherwise the solution would degrade in a matter of hours, and after they were made I believe they only lasted a few months. If you can make 10% efficient organic solar cells that will last as long as inorganic ones (typically 20-30 years), you have a very attractive alternative to brittle, expensive and often toxic inorganics. I didn't see in the paper how long their new cells are supposed to last but anything you can do to make it more stable is going to help.

    1. Re:Not bad, actually by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Unlike the GrÃtzel cell, the new solar cell uses both n-type and p-type semiconductors and a monolayer dye molecule serving as the junction between the two. Each nearly spherical nanoparticle, made of titanium dioxide, is an n-type semiconductor. Kanatzidisâ(TM) CsSnI3 thin-film material is a new kind of soluble p-type semiconductor.

      The Ti02 part has been known for at least a decade - the new bits are the CsSNI3 parts. IIRC many used platinum here instead.

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  5. Re:Did whoever wrote the summary read the article? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    It's important to note though, that if you can make twice as much panel area for less money, then you are being more efficient.

    This is true, assuming you don't have a limit as to the area of panels you can deploy (rooftop solar installations are slightly limited by the area of the roof).

    Note though that TFA specified high cost and low efficiency as problems solved by this design. In spite of the lower efficiency of the design, and without bothering to mention the actual cost at all...

    In other words, lot of hype, not much else...

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  6. I won't be rushing out to buy one yet by barv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are three factors that must converge to make it economically sensible to go solar electric.
    1). Grid parity. This is when the amortized cost of power from the solar electric system costs less than power off the local grid.
    2). When the cost per KWH per year stops dropping so rapidly. A corollary of Moore's law applies.
    3). Storage. We need a low cost & efficient power storage system. Flywheel, hydro, battery, even hydrolysis. Lightweight batteries or hydrogen fuel cells that could be swapped into the car would be best.
    At the current technology curve, it should be here within a decade in the sunny parts of the world.

  7. Re:Doesn't help by dhalgren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would this be up to the company? There's still a grid out there. Maybe we just need more options for feeding it.

  8. Re:Is it just me by slew · · Score: 3, Funny

    or every bit of news about solar arrays is pretty much the same - better efficiency, lower cost. I'm getting tired of reading the same thing every week.

    To each his own...

    Sometimes I think every bit of news about linux is pretty much the same - new experimental gui that will solve its desktop penetration problem. I'm getting tired of reading the same thing every week. ;^) ;^)

  9. Re:Still needs work by Spodi · · Score: 2

    Not really. If you can be 50% less efficient than the competition, but for significantly less of the price, it is still a better deal for a lot of people. Efficiency only matters when the desired generated energy demand is too great for the available area. Since most buildings do not have solar on them, there is plenty of places to throw in lower-efficiency solar panels.

  10. Re:Did whoever wrote the summary read the article? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first part wasn't directly comparing the new cells to Gratzel cells. They said that solar cells *in general* suffer from problems like low efficiency, high cost, short lifetime, and toxic and/or rare ingredients. Most designs suffer major drawbacks in at least one of these areas.

    This new cell seems to address all of the above, while giving reasonable 10% efficiency. In particular, it avoids costly and energy-intensive crystalline silicon, and the most obscure element they mention is cesium, which isn't all that rare.

    If they really are able to cheaply stamp long-lived cells out by spreading an electrolyte solution between a couple of plates, it could indeed become a big deal.

  11. Re:Doesn't help by mellon · · Score: 2

    You've apparently never heard of grid-tie solar. The idea is to have solar panels on roofs everywhere, feeding excess power into the grid during the day, when demand is high. So if you plug your car into the wall at work, the power might well be coming from solar panels, and certainly *can* come from solar panels.