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Bioethicist Jonathan Moreno Talks Jacked-In Soldiers And Military Neuroscience

pigrabbitbear writes "Who's driving a lot of neuro research? The military. Much of it is health related, like figuring out how to make prosthetics work more seamlessly and helping diagnose brain injuries. But the military's involvement highlights the basic ethical quandary of neurological development: When our brains pretty much define who we are, what happens when you start adding tech in there? And what happens when you take it away? Jonathan Moreno is quite possibly the top bioethicist in the country, and along with Michael Tennison, recently penned a fascinating essay on the role and ethics of using neuroscience for national security. He also recently updated his book Mind Wars, a seminal look into the military's work with the brain. In this interview he discusses brain implants, drones, and what will happen when military tech hits the civilian world."

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  1. Cyberpsychosis by docwatson223 · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Cyberpsychosis by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because psychosis is a common side effect with hip replacements these days.

      It's a game mechanic, and a pretty bad one at that, to try and prevent players from getting every cybernetic enhancement available. Not a comment on reality.

    2. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Elizabeth Moon, author of an extensive corpus of Science Fiction, opines for the BBC: "If I were empress of the Universe I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached -- a barcode if you will; an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals. It would be imprinted on everyone at birth. Point the scanner at someone and there it is. ... In war soldiers could easily differentiate legitimate targets in a population from non combatants... Anonymity would be impossible as would mistaken identity making it easier to place responsibility accurately, not only in war but also in non-combat situations far from the war."
      http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120522-barcode-everyone-at-birth

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    3. Re:Cyberpsychosis by docwatson223 · · Score: 0

      The idea was that, at some point and after enough mods, you become distanced from your own humanness and humanity itself; at what point do you become a cyborg and no longer human?

    4. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 2

      Weird. You must read the same tech news site that I do!
      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/05/23/0156226/sci-fi-writer-elizabeth-moon-believes-everyone-should-be-chipped
      Also, in case someone hadn't read that story yet, and is outraged at Elizabeth Moon's comment, they were asked for controversial sound bytes. She just happened to give one that was publicized, and criticized.
      http://e-moon60.livejournal.com/442811.html

    5. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right, because no one has ever cloned an RFID or similar unique identifier.

      And all databases are error free.

    6. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And humans have NEVER made a mistake in apportioning responsibility

    7. Re:Cyberpsychosis by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      The idea was that, at some point and after enough mods, you become distanced from your own humanness and humanity itself; at what point do you become a cyborg and no longer human?

      A single functional implant makes you a cyborg as long as that implant has some synthetic electrical component.

    8. Re:Cyberpsychosis by KhabaLox · · Score: 2

      And knowing one's SSN allows you to divine their guilt or innocence, or whether their a combatant or civilian.

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    9. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Heh,

      I submitted this on Mon or Tues, too. :-)

      I like her LJ...

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    10. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      Your humanity is greater than just he lump of meat that we're residing in. If I was able to make an AI that reacted the same way as I would, wouldn't that have the same humanity as me? I would say yes, and that's got no meaty bits. Let's say my heart fails and I get a stainless steel / titanium impeller implanted. Would that make me a heartless robot? Look for the "your excuse is invalid" kid -- he's got metal legs and a smile that would melt stone.

      Now, I'm already part titanium so this may be the metal bits talking, but what your body does and is capable of does not reflect on what your mind and persona are and are capable of.

      "Humans: Self-forged, picking up where the Gods left off."

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    11. Re:Cyberpsychosis by TheLink · · Score: 2

      She's pretty stupid if she thinks sane people on the battlefield will want to have a "I'm here, shoot me" tag.

      If you can ID a person from far away without their cooperation you can usually detect that person from even further away.

      Whereas if you have to be next to someone to ID him, either/both of you are dead/neutralized already if he is an enemy.

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    12. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Jeng · · Score: 2

      I would imagine that the military would have a means of turning it off, while civilians could not.

      So if you see someone in civvies who's chip isn't working, he probably ain't a civilian.

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    13. Re:Cyberpsychosis by shiftless · · Score: 1

      This is +5 Interesting because it's interesting that someone could be so naive and stupid.

      The scary part is that she votes.

    14. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think she missed the whole point entirely. In order to implement a global coordinated chip-planting program to tag every person on earth, you would need to have either a) governments working together, or b) a single world government. Either way, war would not be an issue.

    15. Re:Cyberpsychosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how would turning it off help prevent friendly-fire incidents.

  2. We alter our brains all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Caffeine affects our brain in a non-trivial way. If we're hungry, we behave differently. So food affects our brain in a non-trivial way. How is ingesting caffeine and food different than adding hardware to our brain?

    1. Re:We alter our brains all the time by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      It's quite a bit harder to hack into food and control you. It's also a lot easier to revert to your previous state...just change diet.

    2. Re:We alter our brains all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When our brains pretty much define who we are, what happens when you start adding tech in there?"

      You're addressing a point I never tried to make. Feeling full isn't necessary for life. Consuming caffeine isn't necessary for life. But most of us like to feel full and a lot of us like to consume caffeine. These are ways to alter how you behave or perform. Just like adding hardware to the brain.

    3. Re:We alter our brains all the time by internerdj · · Score: 1

      "Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!" Joking aside I think the food industry in the US has done a good deal of work of hacking our food in concert with hacking regulation and planting ideas through advertisements to control us. Granted it isn't further than buy our products, but it still isn't as far as it first seems.

    4. Re:We alter our brains all the time by captainpanic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is ingesting caffeine and food different than adding hardware to our brain?

      It isn't.
      And that's why most countries have institutes where doctors determine what's safe and what's not and also what's legal and what's not. Some drugs alter your mind so much that we think we'd better make them illegal. And some things are innocent enough, or even considered a stimulant, so we allow them.

      I would hope that "hardware for our brain" would be treated with the same medical methods as any medicine, food product or beverage.

    5. Re:We alter our brains all the time by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's quite a bit harder to hack into food and control you. It's also a lot easier to revert to your previous state...just change diet.

      We're talking caffeine here - there is no 'just change' anything.

      Without caffeine, life would not be possible.

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    6. Re:We alter our brains all the time by durrr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some drugs are fun, that's why we make them illegal.

    7. Re:We alter our brains all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some drugs alter your mind so much that we think we'd better make them illegal.

      Why ? I still don't understand why it's illegal to manipulate my own body/mind! Under what authority does the goverment grant itself that right ? Music is a mind alterning stimulus [ http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/09/news/la-heb-music-dopamine-20110109 ] , but yet we do not ban certain type of music! My point is I will add whatever harware to my brain and I will consume whatever drugs I want...

    8. Re:We alter our brains all the time by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion

    9. Re:We alter our brains all the time by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

      We ban what some faction of the gov't or interest group can convince the public should be banned. There was a push in the 50s to ban rock and roll, but the lack of public support killed that idea.

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    10. Re:We alter our brains all the time by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's also funny that we spend the first 2-3 decades of life being trained and educated in a deliberate attempt to modify our brains...to the point that any parent who wants their child to exist in a "natural" human state would be sent to prison for child abuse. We pride ourselves on being "civilized", and redefine "human" to mean denying our biological nature. Society is founded on that principle, and while as a people we try to modify ourselves to become more intelligent and compassionate, education-turned-indoctrination can also make us into monsters, and even the most liberal societies train us to accept certain injustices.

      So when they say technology can change who we are, I suggest that we have been excelling at changing who we are for thousands of years. Whether a particular technique is "good" or "bad" in a moral sense depends on whether it stirs or stunts our capacity for empathy, and whether it encourages us to grow and diversify or enforces a rigid set of behavior.

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    11. Re:We alter our brains all the time by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything up to

      Whether a particular technique is "good" or "bad" in a moral sense depends on whether it stirs or stunts our capacity for empathy, and whether it encourages us to grow and diversify or enforces a rigid set of behavior.

      Replace "in a moral sense" with "in my moral sense" and it works well enough. The real good/bad discussion is extremely complicated, with too many contradictory criteria for me to name and with very unclear relative weights. You may prize empathy while another person might prize blind hatred (the Westboro Baptist Church comes to mind here), and fundamentally what is to say who is right in some absolute moral sense? Practically speaking I of course ignore questions of foundations and agree with you while disagreeing with Westboro, though I don't know why I do so in a completely rigorous sense. I suppose humans are just born with the capacity to oversimplify since it's an absolutely necessary skill for dealing with the unknown and I'm applying that here.

      So, morality = a quagmire, empathy = good, blind hatred = bad, me = oversimplified.

    12. Re:We alter our brains all the time by shiftless · · Score: 2

      And that's why most countries have institutes where doctors determine what's safe and what's not and also what's legal and what's not. Some drugs alter your mind so much that we think we'd better make them illegal. And some things are innocent enough, or even considered a stimulant, so we allow them.

      Cute. Did you learn that in school?

      I love how everything fits into neat, precise little categories in your world... too bad the real world is about 1000x more fucked up and crazy than your little bubble.

      I would hope that "hardware for our brain" would be treated with the same medical methods as any medicine, food product or beverage.

      That's a scary thought indeed.

    13. Re:We alter our brains all the time by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2

      The caffeine extends life. The caffeine expands consciousness. The caffeine is vital to space travel.

      The caffeine must flow!

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    14. Re:We alter our brains all the time by Maxx169 · · Score: 1

      I've never worked out if I drink coffee to wake up or wake up to drink coffee...

    15. Re:We alter our brains all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why most countries have institutes where doctors determine what's safe and what's not and also what's legal and what's not. Some drugs alter your mind so much that we think we'd better make them illegal. And some things are innocent enough, or even considered a stimulant, so we allow them.

      I remember we tried that in the UK, and when the scientists showed some illegal drugs were safer than legal ones, what do you think happened? We legalised those drugs so they could be taxed and regulated so people could be sure what they were getting, oh wait, that is what should have happened, what actually happened was the government completely ignored the advice and carried on with the policies they wanted.

    16. Re:We alter our brains all the time by CtownNighrider · · Score: 1

      And forced him out of office, don't forget about that.

  3. What will happen??? by madhatter256 · · Score: 2

    Oh, I don't know... watch:

    Soldiers
    Surrogates
    Star Trek: First Contact (imo best modern ST film)
    Ghost in the Shell

    and any other sci-fi flick

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    1. Re:What will happen??? by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Timothy Zahn's Cobra books as well (original short story, ``When Johnny Comes Marching Home'') --- though I prefer his _Blackcollar_ books and find them more likely.

      William

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    2. Re:What will happen??? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      "Surrogates"

      Better yet, don't. The sheer stupidity of that film and the massive cop-out at the ending can send me into a twenty minute fit of nerd-rage. The writers took a good premise, but rather than go into any real consideration of the complicated field of bioethics they just chickened out with something cliche but utterly unfounded.

    3. Re:What will happen??? by oldsailor432 · · Score: 2

      or Joe Haldeman - Forever Peace

    4. Re:What will happen??? by GrpA · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anthropomorphic Vehicle Control (AVC) -

      When the driver *becomes* the vehicle... See's through the vehicles cameras and feels and controls the vehicle like it's their own body.

      Currently under development, but you can get an idea what it's like from this book:
      http://www.amazon.com/Turing-Evolved-ebook/dp/B007GTWLDW/ref=zg_tr_158595011_4

      It talks about other vehicles ( aircraft, ground, water etc ) but mostly about DEMONs - Direct Engagement Military Offensive Neurosuit.

      That's pretty much where I think it's headed - the book is free at the moment, BTW. Other formats: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/34627

      GrpA

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    5. Re:What will happen??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for mentioning it's free! I'll check it out.

    6. Re:What will happen??? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      I'd add Joss Whedon's Dollhouse. Once you get past the "vehicle for pretty actors" element it's a very insightful, well thought out and reasonably comprehensive look at what can happen if we're able to store and reprogram brains, from leisure applications to espionage, medical and military uses.

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    7. Re:What will happen??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For about 3 episodes, then it's all entertaining bullshit.

    8. Re:What will happen??? by idontgno · · Score: 2

      How about "read"?

      "Dogfight" by Swanwick and Gibson. You think the VA's problems are bad now, wait until they have to deal with the ruined shells of combat-enhanced-and-then-demilitarized neurologically damaged veterans. As bad as PTSD and TBI are now, just think of how much worse it will be when most combat veterans have their nervous systems and mental health irretrievably ruined with battle drugs and combat-oriented conditioning and (maybe) implants.

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    9. Re:What will happen??? by phriedom · · Score: 1

      Pfft, everyone knows what is really going to happen if, because of [FICTION] End of discussion.

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    10. Re:What will happen??? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the driver could become the vehicle in another way. Imagine if a soldier with full battle gear and weaponry could "sprint" for 30 minutes without getting tired. He would be more formidable in many scenarios than most conventional ground vehicles including tanks.

      That might be possible if scientists can come up with a cybernetic augmentation that prevents soldiers from getting tired until they run out of fuel[1]. Most soldiers can be very strong for a few seconds, the problem is they get tired.

      Possible ways of reducing fatigue:
      a) modifying various stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_fatigue#Metabolic_fatigue
      b) Regulating the temperature of the blood and muscles:
      http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.03/bemore_pr.html

      [1] Peak sprinter/cyclist output is about 2 kilowatts. The amount of energy in a litre of oil or cooking oil is about 30-35 megajoules. Which is enough for 4 hours assuming 100% efficiency- impossible of course, but just to give an idea of the ballpark figures.

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    11. Re:What will happen??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the book link, I started it Saturday morning intending to just spend an hour or so on it and ending up spending most of the day reading it. But I don't think it is fair to say it is still under development, as it seems pretty finished now with only the occasional error, but not enough to be distracting.

  4. "top bioethicist "? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What sort of selection process is used to determine who is the 'top' bioethicist? Anyone at all can consider the ethical implications of brain implants.

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    1. Re:"top bioethicist "? by beowulfcluster · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's the guy with the highest karma on the bioethicist equivalent of Slashdot.

    2. Re:"top bioethicist "? by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      We put all candidates in a sealed arena, each one with a fully equipped lab. Labs are only connected by the air they breathe.

      The last one standing becomes the new top bioethicist.

      It's not very fair, but nobody wants to argue with the top bioethicist.

    3. Re:"top bioethicist "? by Mikkeles · · Score: 2

      He got top honours when graduating from Bob's School of Bioethics and Croissant Making.

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    4. Re:"top bioethicist "? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Operating Thetan level? Hmm, does a bioethicist use arcane or divine spellcasting levels?

      Not a serious question, of course: if your self appointed job title is "bioethicist", then your self appointed job is to tell people what's right and what's wrong, and that's obviously a priest class.

      Do we have any kings left that we can strangle with his entrails?

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    5. Re:"top bioethicist "? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe the process is to first identify the "bottom bioethecist". Then the other one of the pair would have to be the "top".

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    6. Re:"top bioethicist "? by jenik · · Score: 1

      It is actually a pretty terrible paper. It barely discusses any ethics at all and the little it does is about third grade level.

    7. Re:"top bioethicist "? by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      I believe the process is to first identify the "bottom bioethecist". Then the other one of the pair would have to be the "top".

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      You are mistaken. The top and bottom bioethicist are one and the same. Except after taking LSD. For research.

    8. Re:"top bioethicist "? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I think I hear Arthas asking for his priest back.

    9. Re:"top bioethicist "? by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Fair, Schmair... I'd so watch that show. Thunderdome for biochemists. Then again, I am a biochemist...

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    10. Re:"top bioethicist "? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Funny

      They tried that with physicists, but they could only get it to work for spherical physicists in a vacuum.

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    11. Re:"top bioethicist "? by phriedom · · Score: 1

      You probably think "Paranormal Expert" is an oxymoron.

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    12. Re:"top bioethicist "? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Bioethicists are the self-proclaimed philosophers of the digital age. We should pay attention to what they have to say, to a degree commensurate with the volume of their digital voices, and the breadth of the digital footprint- for if they speak loudly and often, surely they must be important.

      This guy, he's like Socrates or some shit.

    13. Re:"top bioethicist "? by lennier · · Score: 1

      They tried that with physicists, but they could only get it to work for spherical physicists in a vacuum.

      [GladOS] However empirical testing has discovered that if you put a physicist (*) in a vacuum, their shape does briefly approach spherical. Before exploding. So it's still a pretty good approximation. [/GladOS]

      * This technique probably only works with Bad Movie Physicists.

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    14. Re:"top bioethicist "? by lennier · · Score: 1

      Bob's School of Bioethics and Croissant Making.

      Mas non! Only evil bioethicists learn croissant making! Do you have any idea how much saturated fat is in one of those things?

      Now witness the delicious French destruction your failure of scientific morality and standardised curriculum assessment has wrought upon the world!

      You fools! You puffed the pastry up! You puffed it all up!

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  5. DS9 by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of Life Support, especiallt about your brain defining who you are. That episode was a perfect illustration of this topic. (The linked synopsis isn't very good, I'm afraid).

    1. Re:DS9 by Golddess · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:DS9 by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Why not reference the synopsis on Memory Alpha?

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  6. Wireless thought by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While telekinesis doesn't exist in the real world, I wonder if an implant or headband could transmit core emotional responses to the rest of your platoon via wireless link. That is to say, you wouldn't be able to transmit exact words but rather basic core primitive thoughts and emotions. If one of your members are in danger or senses a major problem, everyone could be aware of the situation simultaneously without a single word spoken on the battlefield.

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    1. Re:Wireless thought by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

      Tele = remote
      Kinesis = movement

      You probably mean telepathy.

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    2. Re:Wireless thought by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tele = remote
      Kinesis = movement

      You probably mean telepathy.

      Tele = remote
      Pathos = experience

      You probably mean teletubby.

    3. Re:Wireless thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While telekinesis doesn't exist in the real world, I wonder if an implant or headband could transmit core emotional responses to the rest of your platoon via wireless link. That is to say, you wouldn't be able to transmit exact words but rather basic core primitive thoughts and emotions. If one of your members are in danger or senses a major problem, everyone could be aware of the situation simultaneously without a single word spoken on the battlefield.

      And if one of your team members is suffering from PTSD or just freaks out?

      Or sees a really hot chick or guy - if he goes that way - and the whole platoon is marching around with hard-ons?

    4. Re:Wireless thought by perpenso · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Wireless thought by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I can barely keep my mouth shut as it is, and you want to make it worse by being able to hear the thoughts that don't make it out of my mouth?

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    6. Re:Wireless thought by perpenso · · Score: 2

      And if one of your team members is suffering from PTSD or just freaks out?

      Actually a live connection to your team members may help. You can be reassured when the stress is just beginning, talking it out is a known way reduce stress, the team is aware - no suffering is silence making it worse, the team is aware - the soldier can be removed from the battlefield pre-freakout, etc.

    7. Re:Wireless thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While telekinesis doesn't exist in the real world, I wonder if an implant or headband could transmit core emotional responses to the rest of your platoon via wireless link. That is to say, you wouldn't be able to transmit exact words but rather basic core primitive thoughts and emotions. If one of your members are in danger or senses a major problem, everyone could be aware of the situation simultaneously without a single word spoken on the battlefield.

      Anything you could do with telepathy, you could probably do by talking on a cell phone or other radio. It is basically the same thing.

      And if one of your team members is suffering from PTSD or just freaks out?

      So you set your TP implant to blacklist him. No big deal (unless he's your boss, in which case, the TP spam is the least of your problems).

      Or sees a really hot chick or guy - if he goes that way - and the whole platoon is marching around with hard-ons?

      So what? I've marched in formation with a boner before. No one notices. It doesn't affect anything.

    8. Re:Wireless thought by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Anything you could do with telepathy, you could probably do by talking on a cell phone or other radio. It is basically the same thing.

      And to those who would say "What about special forces people and the like who have to be quiet and can't talk?" my response is that problem has already been solved.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throat_microphone

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    9. Re:Wireless thought by Brewster+Jennings · · Score: 1

      You do NOT want to transmit emotions through a wireless link in a combat device. The results would likely look similar on an encephalogram to the neuropsychological mechanism that triggers panic attacks. The civilian version would be pretty awesome for sweet lovemaking, though. :) I think a "telepathic" link would be better served forming a virtual "hive mind" that reacted in concert (kind of like clustering a server for availability only with human brains). I wouldn't use actual live soldiers on the field, though: I'd use anthropomorphic drones.

    10. Re:Wireless thought by Tyndmyr · · Score: 1

      Telekinesis exists. It merely requires a few electrodes and a wifi-linked manipulator. Google Mind Flex for an example.

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    11. Re:Wireless thought by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Emotions. Not ideas, actions, people, or places. The ability to pick up happiness, fear, surprise, or caution would be an invaluable form of communication. So yes, while it be an invasion of privacy, it would put all members on the same level of enhanced awareness.

      They way I see it, if you're already trusting each other with your lives, an extra layer of emotional intimacy (non-sexual) being shared among the platoon is worth it if that means staying alive.

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    12. Re:Wireless thought by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I say it would just be noise that would distract from any military operation, especially considering how fast ones emotions change in high-stress situations. The information that would be useful is specific information, knowing your buddies general mood is useless chatter. Knowing your buddy is dead or wounded though is vital information.

      Being bi-polar I may be rather biased since even knowing my own moods doesn't help me worth a damn.

      Also, some of the ex-military I know may have some rather paradoxical reaction to certain situations. When his emotion turns to glee, prepare to hear gunfire, lots of it.

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    13. Re:Wireless thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tele = remote
      Tubby = obese ... Remove obesity? Doesn't America already have that...

    14. Re:Wireless thought by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to do that (transmit emotions)?

      1) There are already brain computer interfaces.
      2) There's already wireless communication
      3) Wearable computers, displays, sensors are possible

      So sending messages to your team using thoughts is not a big step. Why would sending emotions be better in a battle than sending messages?

      Once you have that controlling devices remotely would just be a matter of sending the right messages to the right stuff. Then you have your telekinesis too.

      See also:
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2848877&cid=39996993
      http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1291427&cid=28577835
      http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=101132&cid=8626482

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    15. Re:Wireless thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They way I see it, if you're already trusting each other with your lives, an extra layer of emotional intimacy (non-sexual) being shared among the platoon is worth it if that means staying alive.

      Why stop at the non-sexual? The ancient Greeks didn't.

  7. stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Supersoldiers /tinfoil hat

  8. I'm not surprised by Zandamesh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As it is now, the greatest tool(weapon) we have lies between our ears, more powerful than the fastest jets and the biggest bombs, and anything that improves it to perform certain tasks better is an option. So genetic manipulation, chips in brains, anything. Because if you don't, then someone else will and then you lose.

    I'm guessing most of this is done in secrecy to prevent public outcries.

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  9. Killing people for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is amazing how much money can be found when it comes to ways of killing people - even indirectly e.g hey soldier, boy go 'n kill all those colored folks, and hey if you get your brain shredded by an IED on the wa, we can (sort of) put you back together again.

    1. Re:Killing people for money by Troyusrex · · Score: 2

      It's not so much "ways of killing people" as it is "ways of making sure no one else can wantonly kill or subjugate you".

    2. Re:Killing people for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is amazing how much money can be found when it comes to ways of killing people - even indirectly e.g hey soldier, boy go 'n kill all those colored folks, and hey if you get your brain shredded by an IED on the wa, we can (sort of) put you back together again.

      History proves that pacifism fails. Unless there are non-pacifists around to protect the pacifists.

    3. Re:Killing people for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Seems to be working pretty well for Switzerland.

    4. Re:Killing people for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History proves that people who over simplify complex problems are often fools.

    5. Re:Killing people for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neutrality != Pacifism.

      Switzerland has mandatory military service for all male citizens. They avoid sending troops anywhere but the Vatican, but half the adult population is trained to defend their land if anyone tries to invade over the mountains.

    6. Re:Killing people for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History proves that people who over simplify complex problems are often fools.

      History proves that some people have a hard time with the truth and lash out in frustration.

    7. Re:Killing people for money by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      It's not so much "ways of killing people" as it is "ways of making sure no one else can wantonly kill or subjugate you".

      And maybe grabbing all the oil and installing a puppet government while you are at it. Face it, it's "ways of killing people" to justify military spending the can't be paid for while more important things get no funding whatsoever.

  10. This reminds me of by na1led · · Score: 1

    Neuromancer, I remember playing this game back in the early 80's on my Commodore 64.

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    1. Re:This reminds me of by Amouth · · Score: 1

      first thing i think about is skill wires from SR

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  11. Novel Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How about just ending all wars? Then we won't need prosthesis for soldiers. Plus you can give me back some of my tax money spent on war welfare.

    1. Re:Novel Idea by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      How about just ending all wars? Then we won't need prosthesis for soldiers. Plus you can give me back some of my tax money spent on war welfare.

      Now you're talking real changes in human brain development and activity. Like at lobotomy levels. Unfortunately, conflict seems to be pretty hard wired into the human brain.

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    2. Re:Novel Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about just ending all wars? Then we won't need prosthesis for soldiers. Plus you can give me back some of my tax money spent on war welfare.

      History proves that pacifism fails. Unless there are non-pacifists around to protect the pacifists. Perhaps we can compromise and settle on the US not being the world police service so much.

  12. quantum entanglement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quantum entanglement might actually make for some really wacky ways to transmit data.....and distance is NOT an issue nor is speed.

  13. Book: Old Man's War by perpenso · · Score: 1

    "Old Man's War" series, especially the second book "The Ghost Brigades". See BrainPal in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man's_War.

    "Old Man's War" was a great book for me. IMHO right up there with Starship Trooper, Forever War and Armor.

  14. Don't know what people are complaining about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got this brain implant from the government and I feel fine. In fact, I feel better than fine. When I watch sitcoms, sports, and reality shows--it's bliss.

    1. Re:Don't know what people are complaining about by moeinvt · · Score: 0

      Your brain implant obviously needs to be upgraded to the newest version of the NewSpeak dictionary.

      "I got this brain implant from Big Brother and I feel good. In fact, I feel plus-good. When I watch sitcoms, sports, and reality shows--it's double-plus-good."

  15. when military tech hits the civilian world. by Chrisq · · Score: 0, Troll

    what will happen when military tech hits the civilian world?

    It does already, and as long as it keeps doing it in Muslim countries I'm all for it.

    1. Re: when military tech hits the civilian world. by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      what will happen when military tech hits the civilian world?

      It does already, and as long as it keeps doing it in Muslim countries I'm all for it.

      And if you run out of resources before you kill everyone else? US military spending is unsustainable and pushing the national debt to insane levels. High tech comes at a high cost and brain implants are not going to change that.

  16. Novel concepts by MadKeithV · · Score: 3, Funny

    From now on, if you want to start a war on a developed country, you should do it on a Tuesday. That's the day the soldiers are down for their Windows Updates.

    1. Re:Novel concepts by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      From now on, if you want to start a war on a developed country, you should do it on a Tuesday. That's the day the soldiers are down for their Windows Updates.

      Imagine what something like stuxnet could do to soldiers with brain implants.

  17. Switzerland is not pacifist, they are prepared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? Seems to be working pretty well for Switzerland.

    Seriously! You are claiming a country where there is universal conscription and a fully automatic assault rifle in most homes to be pacifist?

    Switzerland is not pacifist, they are prepared. And preparedness for war is a factor in maintaining peace.

  18. GITS by DnaK · · Score: 1

    Ghost in the shell tackles this issue nicely in a sci fi way.

  19. What's a bioethicist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those who are wondering: These people used to be called Eugenicists.

    They got some deserved bad press last century so rebranded themselves. It's still the same bullshit though.

    1. Re:What's a bioethicist? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      It's a supreme tragedy for the human race that eugenics has been so powerfully (perhaps inextricably) linked with the policies of Nazi Germany. We're fools for not being able to dissociate the two and take an objective look at the idea.

      Why is it 'bullshit' to think that we just MIGHT be able to apply our knowledge of genetics to improve the condition of the human species across multiple future generations? Think about cystic fibrosis for example, a hereditary disease resulting from genetic contributions of both parents. From the perspective of overall human well being, is eliminating this disease in perpetuity not worth the inconvenience of a few people in each generation finding someone else to procreate with?

      I don't presume to know the answers, but I think these sorts of questions are obviously relevant and our fear of the Nazis shouldn't preclude this type of discussion.

    2. Re:What's a bioethicist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree, eugenics can only lead one way. Whether it's called bioethics or eugenics, it's the ultimate fantasy of the powerful. It represents a form of control over the unwashed masses that goes far beyond any previous methods of social or economic control. That's why it must be called out at every opportuinty.

      It's hardly the nazis that solely gave eugenics/bioethics its bad name. It was alive and well in England and the USA long before Germany joined the party.

      It's a supreme tragedy for the human race that eugenics has been so powerfully (perhaps inextricably) linked with the policies of Nazi Germany. It means we're ignorant of knowing that its been around long before, and is still being pushed from the top. That last link goes to a group called Population Matters. Until very recently they were called the Optimum Population Trust. Oh, another name change. That does seem to be a favourite trick of these eugenists/bioethicists.

  20. Medical Torture Program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ethics....please.

    These guys are experimenting on humans, torturing in their own home by radio.

  21. Dune! by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." - Mentat mantra, something added by David Lynch to his Dune film

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  22. Wikia by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    that's the right specialty wiki for Trek, though sometimes it's interesting to compare the regular wiki article and the specialty wiki article

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  23. Deus Ex: Human Revolution anyone? by Zrako · · Score: 1

    Sounds an awful lot like the precursor to the new Deus Ex game. I wonder if we'll see this as a result http://www.sarifindustries.com/

  24. load of crap by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2

    Building an EMP rifle is trivial technology. Hardening against EMP is not as easy - if you build a shield, you just use a bigger pulse that over comes the shield. A friend of mine who was in the army for many years said "Look, between a Map and a GPS? I'll take the map. Shoot a map with a bullet - whaddya got? A map with a hole in it. Shoot a GPS and waddya got? Useless Junk." It all scales from there. The "high / robotic / tech" battlefield is just some circle jerk fantasy by beltway bandits looking for a way to strip mine more money out of the Treasury Dept.

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    1. Re:load of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW if I'm a soldier and someone shoots at me, the odds are better for me if the bullet turns my GPS into junk than the bullet makes a hole in the map I'm carrying.

      But other than that, yeah the map is good.

  25. That doesn't sound true at all by F69631 · · Score: 1

    Steven Pinker on the Myth of Violence

    Steven Pinker charts the decline of violence from Biblical times to the present, and argues that, though it may seem illogical and even obscene, given Iraq and Darfur, we are living in the most peaceful time in our species' existence.

    No two (relatively) liberal democracies have ever waged a war against each other.

    1. Re:That doesn't sound true at all by lennier · · Score: 1

      No two (relatively) liberal democracies have ever waged a war against each other.

      I seem to remember the previous form of that statement being "no two democracies". Interesting how extra disclaimers have had to be added. Seems a little "no true Scotsman" to me.

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  26. WAKEUP the drug is in the water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you are smart enough and think for yourself you can figure out what you need to be healthy in western societies where we have more than enough money to provide for our needs.

    but if you dont think for yourself you will end up being utilised by those that can. is this really so bad ? ;P

    for example. Fluoride combines with Uracil to form 5-Fluro-uracil, it is thermodynamically stable.

    http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1982/c3/c39820000476

    This then mucks up the major DNA repair mechanism involving Thymidine.

    http://www.scienceinschool.org/2011/issue18/uracil

    The 5-FU forms fluoro-dUTP which inhibits ThymidineSynthase which mucks up the carefully controlled ratio of dUTP / dTTP which leads to a impairement in DNA repair and cell reproduction.

    BUT it also changes the ratios of other triphosphates .. increasing ATP which is a cellular energy buffer .. so in this sense it allows people to work harder and be pushed more, but they sucumb to disease more easily and die earlier.

    The mutation involving deamination of thymidine to uracil is utilised intentionally in the recently evolved adaptive immune system. white blood cells actually mutate specific regions of dna as a way to randomise antibodies, inducing this error prone error correction system to run. but 5-FU also messes with this too. particularly if you are more susceptible due to a lack of DPP enzyme, occuring in 8% of the population.

    Look at the side-effects of people treated with 5-FU for cancer. People deficient in DPP often develop severe life threatening illnesses. (Ok the cancer was life threatening also, but its an oportunity to better understand the full effects of 5-FU)

    5-FU also mucks up RNA synthesis which uses uracil. So it reduces your ability to express survival factors, and suppresses the production of tryptophan-hydroxylase particularly in the hindbrain where fluoride concentrates. the reduction in serotonin impaires the ability to oppose tyranny, reversal learning etc. fluoride concentrates even more in the pineal, reducing melatonin, decreasing time to maturity reducing iq, and reducing life span.

    5-halo-uracils are also radiosensitisers. iodo and bromo are too. when UV hits a Thymidine in double stranded dna it kinks, but halo-uracil is shaped the same and when it becomes incorporated it can prevent the enzyme that repairs this UV damage from doing its job. increase in melanoma rates may not be due to damage of the ozone layer entirely. consider these implications of halogen polution. people are still putting bromine in bread as a preservative. sigh.

    Breast milk of mammals has such low amounts of fluorine that even in a high fluoride environment the baby is excreting (expelling deposits in bones etc accumulated during time in the womb) faster then accumulating, until breast feeding ends.

    Do you still want to brush your teeth with sodium fluoride to reduce ... what does the real evidence actually show ? 1 to 2 fillings on average, over your lifetime ? if that ! many countries that use no fluoridation have the same decline in tooth decay observed throughout the western world. of course tooth decay has more to do with the acidity of your saliva and body, sugar and too much meat makes your body particularly acidic, including the brain, which becomes inflamed reducing intelligence.

    I happen to know many people in their 30's who have avoided fluoride toothpaste, and to a practical extent, minimize avoidable intake of fluorine, and have perfect teeth. I also know entire families that have terrible teeth, use copious amounts of fluoride yet are unable to eat anything that needs to be chewed from lack of sufficient number of remaining functional teeth, and they're within the same ago range. The one clear risk factor is terrible diet compounded by sugar.

    if you choose to eat an antinutrient like refined sugar, you might also believe that fluorine, the most reactive halogen, that is leth

    1. Re:WAKEUP the drug is in the water by Hillgiant · · Score: 2

      Yes, but. Do you know what the QUEERS are doing to the SOIL?!?

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