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Sound Increases the Efficiency of Boiling

hessian writes "Scientists at the Georgia Institute of Technology achieved a 17-percent increase in boiling efficiency by using an acoustic field to enhance heat transfer. The acoustic field does this by efficiently removing vapor bubbles from the heated surface and suppressing the formation of an insulating vapor film."

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  1. Not sure that is new... by aaronb1138 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The amount of efficiency increase might be novel, or the input energy to remove the bubbles might be, but using an "acoustic field" is nothing new in industry. Lots of industrial systems use some form of vibrator to decrease bubble to surface adhesion for increased fluid heating speed and thus, efficiency. They also frequently use such systems to reduce surface foaming, especially in conjunction with vacuum systems to prevent fluid foaming or excess dissolved bubbles / gases.

    1. Re:Not sure that is new... by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just curious, how much more efficient is this compared to using microwaves? I think with microwaves it doesn't matter that much that there are bubbles - the waves will heat the next available spot - no contact needed.

      Can't always use microwaves though e.g. liquid is not suitable, or it's not convenient.

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    2. Re:Not sure that is new... by billstewart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back in the 70s we used to use loud music to agitate the water in our bongs - it made them much more effective and, like, cosmic!

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  2. Oooohhhh by pinkj · · Score: 2

    Sounds hot.

    1. Re:Oooohhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's it; I'm taking away your pun license.

  3. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who BOILS BACON (nature's perfect food) really shouldn't be providing any culinary advice.

  4. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by kaizokuace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    anyone who isn't open to cooking food in more than one method really shouldn't be providing any advice.

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  5. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    I find your ideas interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter, but I am *never* eating marshmallows at your place.

  6. A watched pot doesn't boil by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

    But a heard pot boils real good.

  7. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by Cylix · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure someone would enjoy it.

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  8. Umm - Isn't This Already Well Known? by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There have been units around for years both for home use cleaning jewelry, etc, and for use in various industrial/manufacturing processes, including being used in electronics manufacturing, where I've seen them used to clean PCBs and other electronic assemblies & parts after they undergo a "dirty" manufacturing step like wave-solder, in order to remove all flux, dirt, and oils.

    They used a heated tank of solvent that was agitated by ultrasound transducers to greatly increase cleaning ability and decrease cleaning time. The first time I saw one like that was in the late 1970s. I worked in the government/military-related electronics and aerospace industry.

    Strat

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    1. Re:Umm - Isn't This Already Well Known? by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      In those units, the ultrasound is used to vibrate the dirt and shake it loose. The ones I know of (used in cleaning medical instruments) operate nowhere near the boiling point of the liquid.

      Actually, you're correct as far as the units you mean, and I was wrong to include the home ultrasonic jewelry cleaners.

      The factory units I referred to, however, used boiling solvents. Of course, many solvents boil at lower temperatures than water. Some common solvents I saw used, like trichlorotriflouroethane, boil at quite low temperatures (118F, 47.7C for "Trich").

      The effect of the ultrasound on the boiling liquid was startling. With the ultrasound transducer(s) switched off, the solvent boiled in the normal, roiling way one is used to seeing. When the ultrasound was switched on, the roiling, boiling solvent appeared to become almost effervescent, like a carbonated water or soda container that's just been opened, only the tiny bubbles were far smaller and finer.

      I remember watching the line worker at that station madly filling racks with PCBs coming off the line and loading them into the cleaning tank after pulling out the rack already in there, closing the lid, and then rapidly unloading the rack that just came out into static-suppressive plastic parts tubs with a sheet of non-static foam placed between layers. And doing all that while wearing gloves. And also while keeping counts and making log-sheet entries for every lot/job number.

      I remember being amazed at the worker's speed and dexterity at loading/unloading the racks. Definitely no 3-martini, three-beer, or two-joint lunches (hey, it was the '70s) doing that job, I'll bet! It looked like an 8-hour-long dexterity and sobriety test designed by some sadistic doctor.

      Strat

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  9. This reminds me... by Roskolnikov · · Score: 3, Interesting

    of the acoustic effects on disk arrays (and a Dtrace video that showed shouting having a detrimental effect on drive efficiency).

    wouldn't a pressurized vessel (cooker) have the same end result (in that vapor layer formation is prevented or retarded?)
    or as someone else mentioned, using microwaves to boil/heat faster?
    is the 17% efficiency gain taking into account the energy needed to blast the liquid with Eminem?

    the 'article' looks like a fluff piece and the comments say much the same, nothing to see here move along.

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    1. Re:This reminds me... by timothy · · Score: 2
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  10. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Grandparent poster appears to be American. They don't have anything that people from the rest of the world would even recognise as food. Americans can only detect two tastes - high fructose corn syrup, and hot sauce.

    American bacon is bad enough even before they slice it to molecular thickness and fry it in cheap crappy oil until it's quite thoroughly burnt.

  11. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by retchdog · · Score: 3, Funny

    it always amuses me when foreigners judge america by our lowest common denominator crap. you know, the stuff that's only available here due to our sprawling machine of industry which europeans apparently have a fetish for, since they can't seem to get over it when sublimating their envy through these pathetic insults.

    for anything whatsoever that you attach cultural importance to, america can do it better; you'll just never find it at the shitty supermarket or wal*mart, which any native, who isn't penniless or functionally retarded, knows to avoid.

    except cheese. i don't know what's up with that, but i'm sure that if we wanted to, we could.

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  12. Refrigeration evaporator coils? by anubi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone using this in industrial refrigeration?

    I can't help but think of deliberately running a fancoil unit with an unbalanced fan so it vibrates the evaporator coil.

    Or, possibly mounting piezoelectric "shakers" to the evaporator tubes and deliberately manufacturing them to resonate.

    Thanks, Hessian, for bringing this up. Anything I can do to increase efficiency in refrigeration is of great interest to me.

    There are a lot of unpublished tricks I have come across that significantly increase refrigeration efficiency, but have not implemented because the expense of dealing with the increased sophistication was greater than the expense of energy loss in the simple system. This trick you showed me will make an interesting study.

    I will keep it in the lab for now, as I am sure I will also face metal fatiguing and work-hardening issues.

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  13. Screeching by mattr · · Score: 2

    I hesitate to ask what it sounds like when you stand next to a boiler being blasted with energetic sound waves.

  14. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    American bacon is bad enough even before they slice it to molecular thickness and fry it in cheap crappy oil until it's quite thoroughly burnt.

    I agree regarding the thickness (bacon tastes better with at least double the "normal" US thickness), but no one in America fries bacon in oil, crappy or otherwise. That's the fat from the bacon itself, and its spattering browning goodness is what creates the deliciousness.

  15. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by formfeed · · Score: 2

    Your portrayal of the US is extremely one sided. There is much more to American cuisine than corn syrup and hot sauce. What about fat and rendered beef protein?

    You could bake same corn syrup and hot sauce and top it with fat and rendered beef protein and have some delicious pizza. Or you cut mix some rendered beef protein with hot sauce, batter it in a corn/ corn syrup mix and deep fry it in fat. The options are endless.

  16. Re:USA should have some experience from Asia by BergZ · · Score: 2

    Who the hell told Uncle Ruckus (no relation) about slashdot?

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