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Technicolor Takes Aim At Apple, Samsung, Others for Patent Infringement

Master Moose sends this quote from a Bloomberg report: "When Apple's next iPhone hits store shelves, Technicolor's engineers will rush to get the handset — not to make calls or play games, but to rip it apart. Technicolor, an unprofitable French company that invented the process for color movies used in The Wizard of Oz and countless other classics, plans to cash in on its 40,000 video, audio and optics patents to turn its fortunes around. The company has a team of 220 people dissecting every new smartphone and tablet from industry goliaths such as Apple, Samsung Electronics and HTC for patent infringements. Although Technicolor signed its first licensing deal in the 1950s, de Russe [executive vice-president of intellectual property at Technicolor] said, 'it feels like the rest of the world has just woken up to why patents are interesting.' Patent licensing is the most profitable business of the company."

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  1. Announcing the iPhone B&W by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's black and white, so ultra-retro. All the hipsters will love it.

    1. Re:Announcing the iPhone B&W by ichthus · · Score: 2

      Actually, I prefer more monochromatic themes on my Android. It just looks... cleaner.

      And, if you're lucky enough to have a phone that's supported by Cyanogenmod (or possibly other custom ROMs), you can make the display monochrome. Looks cool, except for photos/vid/web.

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    2. Re:Announcing the iPhone B&W by sootman · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  2. Face Palm by firewrought · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not that Apple, et. al., are innocent by any means, but WTF has Technicolor contributed to humanity in the past twenty years??

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    1. Re:Face Palm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if Apple sues Samsung for making a tablet with the same dimensions, but black, despite prior art (Space Odysessy 2001).. then why can't Technicolor sue Apple for something equally obvious?

    2. Re:Face Palm by otaku244 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They were too busy smoking cigarettes and taking naps to FIRE ZE' MISSILES...

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    3. Re:Face Palm by jakimfett · · Score: 2

      ...but WTF has Technicolor contributed to humanity in the past twenty years??

      Nothing. That's why their most profitable area of business is patent trolling...err...patent licensing.

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    4. Re:Face Palm by Tapewolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not that Apple, et. al., are innocent by any means, but WTF has Technicolor contributed to humanity in the past twenty years??

      From the article: Technicolor, which made the first colour movie 90 years ago, holds key patents in digital audio and video.

      ...I have to wonder if it's related to H264...

    5. Re:Face Palm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Prior to a name change, they were Thomson SA.

      Have you listened to an MP3 lately?

      Yes, its technically right at the edge of twenty years, but I bet the most benefit came in the past ten.

    6. Re:Face Palm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Technicolor isn't the measly US company known long ago for that color thingy from the abstract. It is actually the renamed gathering of activities of what once was Thomson.

      So at least in the audio and video field, that H.264, mp3 (pro) and related hardware for you. That is probably also where they are doing the most benefit in their IP. Not for very long, considering the age of the patents involved.

    7. Re:Face Palm by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not that Apple, et. al., are innocent by any means, but WTF has Technicolor contributed to humanity in the past twenty years??

      Do they still make those amazing coats?

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    8. Re:Face Palm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      the article is factually wrong - the first colour movies were Kinemacolor, a British colour process invented circa 1906.

    9. Re:Face Palm by Bo'Bob'O · · Score: 3, Informative

      A pretty decent bit at least. They used to own Grass Vally and Thompson Broadcast, two big players in broadcast and cable video, as well as still being apart of cinema both digital and analog. So it's not just some holding company using a once familiar brand-name, they've been a relevant company. Of course, they have sold off a lot of that stuff now so maybe this is another sign of their decline.

    10. Re:Face Palm by robot_love · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do they still make those amazing coats?

      Dream on, pal.

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    11. Re:Face Palm by dan828 · · Score: 2

      You're showing your age.

    12. Re:Face Palm by GumphMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If nothing else, Technicolor has contributed to that paragon of smoke-and-mirrors: endless growth in gross domestic product. GDP includes funds earned through the "service" of extracting licencing fees, whether sanely justified or obtained by threat of legal oblivion.

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    13. Re:Face Palm by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not that Apple, et. al., are innocent by any means, but WTF has Technicolor contributed to humanity in the past twenty years??

      The thing is, they could have. I remember reading an article about Kodak vs. Fuji and how, while Kodak was busy trying to figure out how to make disposable digital cameras, Fuji was inventing new kinds of films that enhanced the picture on LCD screens. So when the whole LCD TV thing exploded, there were Fuji products -- emphasis to show that it wasn't just patents -- inside every one.

      Technicolor is still a viable brand. I remember it. Why aren't they in on that game? Why aren't there Technicolor-branded TV screens? So what if whatever makes a Technicolor TV "Technicolor" has nothing to do with the original Technicolor film process? It's a worthwhile brand, and if Technicolor had been smart and come up with a little TV technology, it might have licensed its name to every TV manufacturer in Asia.

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    14. Re:Face Palm by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because design patents != engineering/software patents.

      HTH a little.

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    15. Re:Face Palm by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Design patents are even more frivolous

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    16. Re:Face Palm by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They invents a TON of technology, but everyone uses it without licensing. So they are dying.

      They actually invent things,
      People rip them off,
      and on /. THEY are the bad guys.

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    17. Re:Face Palm by mikael · · Score: 3, Funny

      >Dream on, pal.

      Shouldn't that be NTSC or HDMI these days?

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    18. Re:Face Palm by ragefan · · Score: 2

      They invents a TON of technology, but everyone uses it without licensing. So they are dying.

      They actually invent things,
      People rip them off,
      and on /. THEY are the bad guys.

      The reason is that on /., most of us think the missing step in the Profit meme should be "make a useful product and sell it", not "patent troll".

    19. Re:Face Palm by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Otherwise, why would any company even bother?

      For the profit of selling the goods and the longer period it will remain profitable by not publishing the patent.

      Patents are meant to compensate for losses caused by sharing inventions.
      Patents are NOT meant to reward or protect the act of inventing.

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    20. Re:Face Palm by Tapewolf · · Score: 2

      h.264 licensing is different than normal patents, like say, cellphones. ... They decided to create the MPEG Licensing Authority (MPEG-LA) to manage the patent portfolio.

      This is true, but the patent pool only protects you from other people within the patent pool. If an external entity won't join the pool (and an actual patent troll probably wouldn't) and starts suing people instead, the situation would look very much like what we're seeing here. I'm not saying that's definitely what we're seeing here, but it's possible.

    21. Re:Face Palm by jimmy_dean · · Score: 2

      Having just finished working there for 4 years, they are indeed very unprofitable. Yes, certain ventures like movie editing make some money, but the overall company (Thomson/Technicolor) has been unprofitable for the last 11 years. They have over 1 billion euro of debt. The transition to digital movie making is one of the only things they did right. Everything else has been a disaster, and they are being brought down by over-zealous French unions and bloated middle management. It's a company that needs to go away in its current form, and be broken up and sold for assets.

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  3. Technicolor illustration of a broken patent system by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will illustrate very clearly how the system it broken. It's not about abstract computer science concepts. It's not about things the jury cannot understand. (Although those optics patents might be highly technical.) It will show beyond doubt how a has been company is suing innovative new companies, in a different era, even different century, just because they can. And . . it's the most profitable business of the company!

    Sickening.

    But it is even more clear than Microsoft claiming patents that cover Linux or Android, and then claiming Linux or Android are building on Microsoft innovations.

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  4. Cinerama suing for multiple desktops! by Picass0 · · Score: 2

    ...and don't even think of using curved screens!!!

  5. Technicolor was American, not French by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just to be clear for those that are easily confused, Technicolor was invented in America and is named after MIT. From Wikipedia:

    The Technicolor Motion Picture Corporation was founded in Boston in 1914 (incorporated in Maine in 1915) by Herbert Kalmus, Daniel Frost Comstock, and W. Burton Wescott. The "Tech" in the company's name was inspired by Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where Kalmus received his undergraduate degree and was later an instructor. Technicolor, Inc. was chartered in Delaware in 1921.

    1. Re:Technicolor was American, not French by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do all dead or dying American corporations end-up French?
      - Technicolor
      - Atari
      - Commodore
      - Amiga
      - ???

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    2. Re:Technicolor was American, not French by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You left out:
      - Alcatel-Lucent (as in Western Electric and Bell Laboratories)

    3. Re:Technicolor was American, not French by mikael · · Score: 2

      Technicolor has a research center in France. You will see adverts for research scientists in color science.

      Given the way that texture compression is a big issue for mobile devices, and that there are demos that use movie videos as textures, that drifts into their territory.

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  6. Clueless People Love Money! by Nyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although Technicolor signed its first licensing deal in the 1950s, de Russe [executive vice-president of intellectual property at Technicolor] said, 'it feels like the rest of the world has just woken up to why patents are interesting.' Patent licensing is the most profitable business of the company."

    Dude has it wrong. Being a Patent Lawyer is the most Profitable Business.

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  7. Woah! You can't have it both ways. by phonewebcam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Motorola (first mobile call 1973) are being sued by Microsoft (formed 1976) because, whilst clearly they are the newbies in this area, each and every time the obvious sequence of events is brought up out come the naysaysers whining about all Motorolas relevant patents having expired. So, these jerks with their '50s technology is somehow relevant, how?

  8. Talk about stifling innovation.... by gatfirls · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would be cartoon knee-knocking scared if I ever "invented" and popular and revolutionary product. It's basically like a zombie movie with these patent suits. They wait for success and then pop out of the ground in hoards.

  9. Nothing wrong with patents per se. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

    But there * IS * something wrong with 40-year-old patents.

    1. Re:Nothing wrong with patents per se. by tkrotchko · · Score: 2

      I think MP3's were invented by the Fraunhofer Institute in Germany. Not by Thompson in France.

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  10. Re:yadayada by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    From TFA . . .
    > 'it feels like the rest of the world has just woken up to why patents are interesting.'

    It feels like the rest of the world has just woken up to why protection rackets are interesting.

    It feels like the rest of the world has just woken up to why extortion is interesting.

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  11. Re:Free Enterprise 0.1 by countach · · Score: 2

    Well they can't do it in perpetuity. Patents expire after 20 years.

  12. Re:Technicolor illustration of a broken patent sys by Charliemopps · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The patent system is supposed to exist to allow inventors to have time to get their product to market and not have some giant company swoop in with their own development lab and get a copy of their product to market before the inventor even has a chance. In the event the inventor does not have the resources to get it to market, or you have an idea that would incorporate with the inventors idea but wouldn't directly compete with his product, he can license the patent to you so you can make your own product. Or he can out-right sell the patent to you. The patent system was not intended to protect an idea for eternity, being sold from corporation to corporation for centuries so every device ever invented would forever be beholden to some patent clearinghouse that had absolutely nothing to do with inventing anything even remotely relevant to anything modern. Do any of the people that had anything to do with whatever patents technicolor is going to sue for even work there anymore? Are they even alive? How much did the actual talent make for coming up with the patent? $10? The guy that invented the laser used in Blueray got a $100 giftcard and a plaque. (no, I'm not kidding)

    Well, at least it's Apple. Fuck them, they deserve it.

  13. Re:Technicolor illustration of a broken patent sys by snookums · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Technicolor wants to sue companies to force them to license their patents. (this is how the patent system is supposed to work)

    Apple wants to sue companies to prevent them from creating competitive products (THIS is an example of a broken patent system)

    What? You have it completely backwards.

    The patent system is exactly designed to prevent the creation of competing products. You invent something and you get to sell that thing exclusively for a limited time, in return for donating the "secret" of its construction to the public domain at the end of that period.

    It's the concept of passively sitting on a idea and then trying to extort money from anyone who actually brings a product to market that stifles innovation and acts against the interests of society. If I had my way, the patent system would be use-it-or-lose-it. If you don't make a genuine effort to utilize a patent, you'd have to sell it (not license it) to someone who will or it would become void.

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  14. Major Contradiction by gr8_phk · · Score: 2

    Technicolor, an unprofitable French company...

    and then:

    Patent licensing is the most profitable business of the company.

    I'd hate to see how their other efforts are going.

  15. Re:Free Enterprise 0.1 by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not if they change the patent slightly. Since they own the patent they can create a new device/process/whatever based on the original and basically renew the patent. Drug companies are famous for this. Look at CFC free albuterol inhalers.

  16. Re:Technicolor illustration of a broken patent sys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You wrote a coed that saved a billion a year?

    Holy shit. Does she dream of electric sheep, or is he or she just a pleasure model?

  17. BBC Interviewing a Patent Troll by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you want to know what the Patent Trolls really think of themselves?

    BBC happens to interview Paul Ryan, top dog of Acacia Research Corp, a very well known patent troll

    Podcast available at http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/bizdaily/bizdaily_20120530-1006a.mp3

    You tube carries another interview on the same guy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwpGWT_LdDw

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  18. Re:Free Enterprise 0.1 by thebigmacd · · Score: 2

    The thing is though, someone else could patent the improvement first and they would be dead in the water. Why doesn't this happen more often?

  19. You make this 30-something geek weep... by Powercntrl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pure black and white with perfect contrast? No visible pixel matrix? LCD screens didn't look like that in the 80s. They looked liked this.

    Now if you're talking about the 90s, the iPhone probably would've looked something like this.

    It makes me wonder if this anachronistic retro hipster who drew this "80s iPhone" art was even alive in the 80s,

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  20. Re:Technicolor illustration of a broken patent sys by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly it's a typo.
    It should have been "rode a coed".
    Not quite sure how that helps save a billion a year, but I'm willing to try it out.

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  21. Re:Technicolor illustration of a broken patent sys by Kjella · · Score: 2

    It's the concept of passively sitting on a idea and then trying to extort money from anyone who actually brings a product to market that stifles innovation and acts against the interests of society. If I had my way, the patent system would be use-it-or-lose-it. If you don't make a genuine effort to utilize a patent, you'd have to sell it (not license it) to someone who will or it would become void.

    That's fine if your patent is a full end-user product. But say I invent a new kind of spark plug for your car, it won't come into production until you get a major contract. If nobody jumps at the idea, are you going to lose it instantly? Is it good enough if I have a prototype? Then the patent trolls would just collect prototypes like they collect their patents, with no genuine attempt to sell the prototype. Very quickly you can end up in a situation where the only ones who can put patents into production are those who already are incumbents in the industry already.

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