Judge Rules API's Can Not Be Copyrighted
Asmodae writes "Judge Alsup in the Oracle vs Google case has finally issued his ruling on the issue of whether or not APIs can be copyrighted. That ruling is resounding no. In some fairly clear language the judge says: 'So long as the specific code used to implement a method is different, anyone is free under the Copyright Act to write his or her own code to carry out exactly the same function or specification of any methods used in the Java API.'"
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PJ from Groklaw:
Oracle has nothing to show for all of its efforts> For those who have depended on the self-described patent expert for your understanding of this case . . . well, maybe now you will know better than to trust a paid spokesman.
Having read the entire order (and having followed this case from near the beginning), all I can say is that I *wish* that all orders were so well prepared and presented. It appears to close all avenues for appeals, and I think the best 'showing' of any parties to this case has been Judge Alsup. He kept control of a tough case, and in my opinion, all his rulings have been well thought out, and his 'go-the-extra-mile' attitude has made this process a clear win for all (except Oracle).
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.. if only.
And let's remember how much more quickly your competitor could go to market. He surely owes you billions for this.
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"In order to declare a particular functionality, the language demands that the method declaration take a particular form," notes Alsup (emphasis in original).
Indeed, this is just so. And you can't copyright "functionality"; that's akin to copyrighting a concept, which is not what copyright is about. Copyright is about protecting implementations of concepts, and those are still protected. But a programming language requires a rigid codification of the concept itself.
Oracle's response made me chuckle a little...
"The court's reliance on "interoperability" ignores the undisputed fact that Google deliberately eliminated interoperability between Android and all other Java platforms," the company said in a statement issued this afternoon. "Google's implementation intentionally fragmented Java and broke the "write once, run anywhere" promise."
That's really immaterial to the reasoning for why an APIs aren't protected under the Copyright Act in the first place. It would be relevant if "interoperability" were a defense against copyright infringement, but it's not, since the item in question wasn't protected in the first place.
Just because my implementation of fopen() breaks programs that depended on your implementation of fopen() that doesn't suddenly mean that your declaration of a function called fopen() is protected and my identical declaration is infringing. This would imply that copyright infringement claims based on APIs would suddenly be dependent on some kind of compatibility test.
And on that note, it was that last line that made me chuckle. Brings to mind something about ships and sailing, or barn doors and horses.
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He hasn't yet, and those of us who have been following the case are eagerly awaiting his spin.
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And you know this, too.
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You must have spitting fire when GCJ created the ability to compile Java to native machine code.
Java is a language, just like C, C#, PHP, Cobol, and all the rest. If someone wants to write something that compiles to native machine code, to some other language or to some other VM, then so what? This all happened because Sun, and later Oracle, thought they had a level of control it now is shown they do not. This whole "purity of Java" line is bunk. It's like saying "the only true C is C compiled to a PDP-7".
Besides, your Java code is, for the most part, just a cross-compile away from Dalvik. The situation is hardly that dire.
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I'm sorry to say that, but Stallman was spot on with regarding his position about Java.
I feel nervous when I develop using a non-free framework. I much favor using a fully open source stack, as a programmer it frees me about a lot of worries.
ABIs were already decided in Connectix v. Sony, I believe, which Google included in a brief in this case.
Without the incentive of copyright, no one will ever make an API again.
How will people get paid for setting up third-party access to their data and functionality?
You laugh now, but the internet is just one big API, and now it will go da--#&@$(#$& NO CARRIER
Yeah, right.
Actually "Write Once, Run Anywhere" works - I know, back in the day I would write Java on a 16-bit Windows and run it on a 64-bit Irix machine. Stuff like that has continued for me throughout the years (these days I write on Mac OS X 64-bit and deploy to Linux, Windows 7 32 and 64), and I've never had a problem so far as long as I've only used the proper APIs and not implementation-specific class.
Hence, my own experience over 17 years with Java has been that WORA actually works. I'd be interested in hearing your experience where you used a standard Java library and it didn't work. Otherwise, you are repeating incorrect hearsay.