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Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran

diewlasing sends this excerpt from the NY Times: "From his first months in office, President Obama secretly ordered increasingly sophisticated attacks on the computer systems that run Iran's main nuclear enrichment facilities, significantly expanding America's first sustained use of cyberweapons, according to participants in the program. Mr. Obama decided to accelerate the attacks — begun in the Bush administration and code-named Olympic Games — even after an element of the program accidentally became public in the summer of 2010 because of a programming error that allowed it to escape Iran's Natanz plant and sent it around the world on the Internet. Computer security experts who began studying the worm, which had been developed by the United States and Israel, gave it a name: Stuxnet."

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  1. Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So I guess this means we're officially at war with Iran since it was declared that acts of cyberterrorism would be considered acts of war, right?

    1. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by joebagodonuts · · Score: 5, Funny
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    2. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it's not offical. this is just a reporter's opinion sourced from conversations with people whose names he won't reveal at times he won't reveal, who know things that nobody should know. for instance, he details the exact contents of a meeting that consisted of 3 people, president Obama, vice president Biden, and (At the time) CIA director Leon Panetta. For him to have this conversation, it means he has interviewed either the president, the vice president, or Panetta on this. Fat fucking chance.

      It's probably true, but no it's no way in hell close to "offical".

    3. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, that's why the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the War in the Gulf, the War in Iraq, and the War in Afghanistan all never happened.

      they were "police actions" goddamit.

    4. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know what happened in a lot of meetings I never personally attended. Participants talk, transcripts are shared, etc. I suspect this info came second or third-hand from the people under Panetta.

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    5. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S. has a remarkable history of fighting people that we ourselves have trained and armed in some earlier coup. That may have something to do with the fact that meddling in other country's interest may have short-term benefit, but it can (and frequently does) backfire and produce long-term problems. Iran is a great example. We overthrow their democratically-elected government to put in our figurehead so we can get their oil. Worked great until 1979. Now we've spent the last 30 years with a country that despises us.

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    6. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Funny

      this isn't anything even close to offical

      You waiting for the CIA to issue a formal press release on one of its secret wars? Good luck with that.

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    7. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe he got a transcript of the meeting from the Chinese?

    8. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by krammit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The late, great Bill Hicks said it best: I'm so sick of arming the world and then sending troops over to destroy the fucking arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the shit out of them. We're like the bullies of the world, you know. We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up."
      "I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me."
      "Pick up the gun."
      "Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister."
      "Pick up the gun."

      Boom, boom.

      "You all saw him. He had a gun."

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    9. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Also note that said reporter is trying to sell a new book.

      Confront and Conceal: Obama's Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power, by David E. Sanger. Hardcover on Sale: June 05, 2012.

    10. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not ever from there, but I want to object to the way the city of Chicago has been turned into political invective. If I said "Everybody from Dallas is a jackass", that would be just plain wrong. But somehow NYC and now Chicago are always fair targets. And if the next Democratic president were from, say, Toledo, then I'm sure suddenly being from the Toledo would be a tremendous mark against him.

      I'm pretty certain Mr. Obama did not learn any political tricks from Richard Daley, who died in 1976 and is the only mayor of Chicago most people can name besides the current one. I think it's fair to let the president be defined by his own actions rather than geographic location.

      When you refuse, in an argument, to let the other side describe themselves in a term that is neutral and descriptive, you remove yourself from the group of civil and persuadable actors.

    11. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by cdrguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with this kind of journalism is that we can sit back and say that of course this guy doesn't have the real scoop. But why wouldn't someone high up in Iran not take this to his boss and say "See, they admit it!" The logical followup from Iran is to step up actions, unleash the dogs of war and start preparing to take out Tel Aviv.

      Sure it is nice the people in the US are free to come up with stuff like this and "theorize" about it. The problem is that the separation between the journalist and reality may not be quite so apparent to those on the other side of this. This is actually an extremely provocative statement, supposedly from informed sources in the US government. So provocative in fact as to pretty much dare Iran to do something about it.

      It doesn't matter that we can laugh and say it is all BS. It might not appear that way in Iran. And it isn't going to be a subject of humor to them, ever.

    12. Re:Uhm, so we're at war now with Iran? by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As someone that's lived in the area his whole life, we all know, and sadly accept, that our politicians are degenerate criminals. The political history of the city and state are an ongoing joke for a reason... we've earned it. I couldn't even guess how many are currently in prison or have done time.

      Also, when you say Mayor Daley, most of us think of the more recent Richard M. Daley, who is very much alive and avoided prison (though many of his people didn't).

      You can start here and just keep reading down, though there are fun bits before it too...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Daley#Daley_orders_demolition_of_Meigs_Field

  2. We have always been at war with Eastarabia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have always been at war with Iran, citizen.

    We have always been at war with Afghanistan. Even in the 1980s, when Saint Reagan gave vast funds to our allies, the Russians, to defeat Osama Bin Laden.

  3. Not news by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe the old joke was, "In Russia, you can only choose the communist party. In America, you can choose the capitalist party, or the other capitalist party!"

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  4. Ask yourself "In whose interest is this story?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A story like this doesn't just magically happen. It's not wikileaked. So why would someone want this story in the public? Could it be so that tension between the USA and Iran ratchets up? Because that could induce a whole lot more spending on the military. And all those people who aren't going to be making buckets of money from Iraq and Afghanistan will either need to adjust their standard of living downwards, or find new sources of income. Getting military with China is a bad idea, North Korea is too close to China - look what happened last time - it's the only reason there is a North Korea. Nope: better to pick on a country more isolated.

  5. Unnamed Sources? by Post-O-Matron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't understand one thing - all of this is based on David Sanger's book, which in turn is based on "unnamed US, European and Israeli sources".

    Other than the author's reputation, do we have anything resembling evidence that this isn't just a science fiction book being sold?

    1. Re:Unnamed Sources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't understand one thing - all of this is based on David Sanger's book, which in turn is based on "unnamed US, European and Israeli sources".

      Other than the author's reputation, do we have anything resembling evidence that this isn't just a science fiction book being sold?

      The NYTimes is a reliable source, with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

    2. Re:Unnamed Sources? by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Other than the author's reputation, do we have anything resembling evidence that this isn't just a science fiction book being sold?

      This is Slashdot. We don't need evidence if the story confirms our prejudices.

  6. Why This Misconception of Obama? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First thought: Who's the source on this? Everybody suspected it was the US or the Israelis, but is this reliable?

    Well, let's see ... would Obama be the kind of person to do this? His track record so far:

    Mr. Obama decimated Al Qaeda’s leadership. He overthrew the Libyan dictator. He ramped up drone attacks in Pakistan, waged effective covert wars in Yemen and Somalia and authorized a threefold increase in the number of American troops in Afghanistan. He became the first president to authorize the assassination of a United States citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and played an operational role in Al Qaeda, and was killed in an American drone strike in Yemen. And, of course, Mr. Obama ordered and oversaw the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

    Now considering all that, um, I think ordering a speed up of cyberattacks on Iran where no one dies might be something he does on a whim over coffee on a given morning.

    Second thought, while reading through the article: Wow, that's pretty badass.

    That's what I don't understand. Everyone has this notion that Obama is some peace loving hippie. At his Nobel Prize announcement, he basically justified going to war with anyone who gave USA the stink eye. He has been more aggressive (albeit more subtle) than George W. Bush and will probably cause problems for Romney who wants to paint him as an indecisive leader that let Libya and Syria happen. But the funny thing is that for all everyone sees him as a harbinger of peace, he sure hasn't been acting like it. And it's probably going to be obvious come this next election when people start looking at his track record ...

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    1. Re:Why This Misconception of Obama? by iserlohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In a way you are right - perception trumps reality. However, Obama's also chose his targets well. Unlike Bush which steamrolled his way into a bad situation with Iraq, Obama actually put some thought into the exit scenarios before pushing ahead with his agenda covertly. That contributes to the efficacy in these relatively low-key operations.

  7. "Gutsy" Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see a campaign commercial now.

    Obama single handily Killed Osama, wrote stuxnet AND snuck it into Iran on a USB key.

  8. Re:Why would anyone ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just goes to show that an air gap isn't going to save you, if your attacker is keen.

  9. Someone selling book + NY Times = Non-Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only fact I see in all this is: The USA has not officially taken responsibility for an international incident.

    This story is by someone making sensationalist claims to sell a book, and the NY Times is helping promote it.

    As usual, the NY Times reporter relies on anonymous sources. No one knows how reliable they are. No one knows who they are.

    The NY Times and their anonymous sources are known to be wrong, like the WMD in Iraq. So we trust them now?

    The NY Times is known to make up news, such as Jason Blair. Can anything they say about Stuxnet be independently verified as being correct? No?

  10. The U.S. government is corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any government that holds secret wars is extremely corrupt. That taxpayer pays for tinkering that almost always causes more trouble, giving the secret agencies more work and more demands on the taxpayers.

    1. Re:The U.S. government is corrupt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, every major government in human history. Got it.