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An Asian Origin For Human Ancestors?
InfiniteZero writes "Researchers agree that our immediate ancestors, the upright walking apes, arose in Africa. But the discovery of a new primate that lived about 37 million years ago in the ancient swamplands of Myanmar bolsters the idea that the deep primate family tree that gave rise to humans is rooted in Asia. If true, the discovery suggests that the ancestors of all monkeys, apes, and humans—known as the anthropoids—arose in Asia and made the arduous journey to the island continent of Africa almost 40 million years ago."
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as we all came from a single cell organism.
Well, since we're tracing the origin of our species anyway, why not simply say our ancestors came from the sea? You can't get any further back than that, unless you think that life migrated from outer space.
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Correction: I'm surprised [simians] arose that quickly.
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We were probably trapped on some remote island ...
We are trapped inside this gravity well
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It's not a lack, so much, but that white folks have Neanderthal bits in their DNA, where Africans are more purely Homo Sapiens. The AC above made a good point, the human race probably evolved a big brain, got the itch to travel and seeded the world with proto humans, who then stayed relatively stationary, who then evolved into genetically semi-compatible Neanderthal, Denova, African and I think there were others. There were probably plenty of races of these, and it's quite possibly where our mythology of trolls, hobbits and other weird human-likes came from.
Humans aren't that freaky. We are pretty much identical to chimps, with slightly better communication hardware.
Perhaps complex communication triggered divergent evolution. Humans (well, proto-human talking chimps) work well together, but not with normal chimps. Normal chimps had advantages though - they could communicate far faster. Simple communication is a good thing if all you want to say is "LEOPARD!!!!".
Once we'd diverged, the talking apes found they were better off in the savanna and beaches than the forest (where speed is more important than strategy).
yelling "run" seems to be to swift and simple enough
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Please at least use the correct name for the country. It happened 37Ma ago, the junta went rampant only in 1962. We don't use renamed months when talking about Rome by Commodus or Turkmenistan by Niyazov.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
You'd think that wouldn't be so hard to grasp, conceptually.
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I think you may have skipped over a rat
They say the first mammal supposed to be a rat
They said it, not me.
I swear, I wasn't there !!
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have known this for decades
Not in a social setting. The hero who saves all the young females by yelling run/danger/leopard becomes the center of attention and gets all kinds of benefits. Extra grooming, food treats, more sex and offspring.
Pretty good deal if you ask me.
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Wait, so instead of the slogan "We are all Africans", we might have to change it to "We are all Asian-Africans"?
Inb4 someone came in and add " ... no wonder we are all so fuck-up !!! "
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Humans aren't that freaky. We are pretty much identical to chimps, with slightly better communication hardware.
And better haircuts. Don't forget that!
Now you have DONE IT!!! They will use this against us for another 40 years. Hehehe.. On the bright side, it will be ever so much fun to twist this thorn into the 'Evolutionist' side. Because you know, they just can't seem to say these little words; "I don't know for sure." Hehehe. I for one, abhore monkeys and so I believe that somewhere along the 'lemur' phase the branch containing feline DNA began developing. I hold cats and dogs in much much higher regard than our psychotic, self serving narcissistic great ape brethren. I believe my family tree originated on that side but branched off around the 'still able to lick your own balls' forking. Come to think of it, I just don't see humans coming from apes. Most people I know are much more like rhesus monkeys or macaques.
Perhaps complex communication triggered divergent evolution. Humans (well, proto-human talking chimps) work well together, but not with normal chimps. Normal chimps had advantages though - they could communicate far faster. Simple communication is a good thing if all you want to say is "LEOPARD!!!!".
Or we're descended from the few who understood when one of the walking, talking apes came back into the forest and said, "DUDE! There's a whole f***ing WORLD out there!"
You left out that we have huge peckers!
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
Humans aren't that freaky. We are pretty much identical to chimps, with slightly better communication hardware.
Actually, I think that idea has pretty much been discredited with the discovery of "Ardi", the oldest direct human ancestor ever found, that was actually more like a human than a chimp. If anything, chimps evolved MORE from that common ancestor than humans did, despite the similarity in the genome.
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Humans aren't that freaky. We are pretty much identical to chimps, with slightly better communication hardware.
And, believe it or not *enormously* better impulse control
It's something that could arguably be found best in the congruence of factors giving to the rise of our elevated brain activity in a more complete fashion. In that sense, interesting to wonder when it 'came together' as complex activity (tools, large worship sites, etc.) seems to get further pushed back archaeologically more and more.
Yeah, but that's not weird. We're the envy of apes everywhere. Or at least I am...
Neoteny accounts for a lot of the differences between chimps and humans.
In a sense that's not even divergent evolution, as humans are just discarding the specializations that chimps develop as they mature, rather than replacing them with a different set of specializations.
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So it is true that lawyers predate humans. I thought that was just a myth...
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proto-human talking chimps
So, you're saying that Lancelot Link was THE MAN!... quite a while before there were men....
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Not in a social setting. The hero who saves all the young females by yelling run/danger/leopard becomes the center of attention and gets all kinds of benefits. Extra grooming, food treats, more sex and offspring.
Pretty good deal if you ask me.
The guy who gets sex is the big guy who beats on his women. Just like in ye olde cave days.
Nice guys finish last, white knights get friend zoned, etc.
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Most should be captured and put back on an island, preferably a sinking one.
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I am instead surprised that it took us that many millions of years to start becoming civilized.
In the case of Neanderthals, it is very possible that there was enough genetic similarity that cross breeding could happen even though technically they were different species.
Other examples of this can be found with other mammals such as Horses and Donkeys reproducing to produce Mules as well as Tigers and Lions producing Ligons and Tiglons. While such unions typically produce infertile offspring when they are of the same genus but different species (like Homo Sapiens and Homo Neanderthalensis), such infertility doesn't always hold true. It really is a case of incomplete speciation.
I highly doubt that genetic evolution, even convergent evolution, would allow dissimilar species to ever mate... such as Klingons and Humans or Romulans and Ferrengi. Star Trek script writers did a whole bunch of handwaving and even made up a bunch of BS to try and explain how that worked.
That other species in the Homo genus were around from time to time may be true, and it would be interesting to see just how far speciation actually happened with them as well. I'm just suggesting that there are existing mechanisms that would explain how Neanderthal DNA could end up with some people in Europe, and it wouldn't even need to be that many Neanderthals which would form the core genetic pool for that DNA.
So nothings changed then. In my HS the guys with all the girls paying attention to them were the biggest and stupidest assholes :P
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Speak for yourself.
Weren't there theories in the early 20th century that humans had evolved from different primates in different places roughly simultaneously (at that time, used as a justification for a sort of patronizing racism - that of course the nonwhite peoples were 'not as evolved' as whites)?
Trying not to resurrect that theory's rationale, but would the article's line of reasoning perhaps suggest that humans MAY in fact have evolved in at least 2 places?
Racism's bad enough today. What would be the result if we figured out that we're actually the result of two SEPARATE human lines who somehow ended up interbreeding?
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In a sense that's not even divergent evolution, as humans are just discarding the specializations that chimps develop as they mature, rather than replacing them with a different set of specializations.
Nah, it's just that humans don't live long enough. :-)
Star Trek script writers did a whole bunch of handwaving and even made up a bunch of BS to try and explain how that worked.
That was one thing that always annoyed me about Star Trek. It's bad enough that anyone would think that an alien species would look anything like us (which was the point of a short SF story I wrote) but to think species from completely different solar sytems could mate is beyond ludicrous.
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I always suspected we were descended from Spitfires.
Nah, something major changed - most modern women would rather have a man all to themselves than be part of the harem of the biggest, baddest guy on the block, and that's rather uncommon among primates. Most recent theory I've heard is that at some point underdog males hit upon the idea of picking a single/few female(s) to pamper, and the idea caught on well enough to reshape the species
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Actually, wasn't it a TNG episode that involved tracking down some ancient message encoded in the combined DNA of various worlds that turned out to be a "We were here" from an earlier race that found itself alone in the galaxy and seeded various worlds with their DNA so that the later races would have someone to talk to? Maybe you include that in the BS category, but really something like that is probably the only realistic way you'd get a galaxy full of hominids (or DNA-based life for that matter), and it would at least open the door to the possibility of interspecies children. Especially if the ancients considered that a design feature.
I'm trying to remember if there were any cases of interspecies children prior to that episode, I can't think of any off-hand, other than Spock of course. But then I can't think of much in the way of explanations being offered for them at all - please point out a few, I'm curious now.
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The feces-throwing came first - after all we all know the primordial slime evolved from politicians.
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Oh I don't know - proto-mammals arose before the dinosaurs, and mammals arose somewhere in late Triassic or early Jurassic, depending on how exactly you define the term (a matter of some debate). Lots of time to accumulate genetic potential before the -saurs were wiped out and the mammalian explosion began. It's not like a primate is any more biologically sophisticated than a horse or squirrel.
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Oh yes, an artist's rendering of an early human looks more like the modern-day people in the region than the modern-day people of other regions. What a compelling argument.
Even if accurate the similarities would mean nothing more than that white people had to adapt to a significantly different environment when they left the tropics, it's not like any species is "more evolved" than another - we've all been evolving since life first arose, the parent stock doesn't stop evolving just because part of the population branches off in a different direction.
Yeah, yeah, I shouldn't feed the trolls, sometimes one does manage to get under my skin though. If you're going to be a racist at least don't be an idiot about it. Or maybe we're finally reaching a point where only the idiots feel that racism has legitimate roots. There's a cheerful thought, I feel better now.
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Frankly, that sounds less scientific than the Germano-Norse idea than the world was built from Ymir's body, which was licked from the ice by a big cow. A "retard fish crawled out and had butt sex with a squirrel or something" -- ok, from where did the squirrel come, and since when did "butt sex" work for reproduction? Just because the fish step seems the same does not make the AC a master of paleontology or evolutionary history.
I know, right? You'd think that wouldn't be so hard to grasp, conceptually.
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because the circumstances allowed similar evolution? climate, supernovaparticles? big monoliths, who knows how it works yet? no one
i find similarities in the sound of language where i'm from and japanese but none in any of the african sounds, its far fetched ofcourse, and it might indeed lead to master race theories but still, why couldnt it have been like that? All these duds with their huge theories dont have actual proof, just a little evidence and a lot of deduction
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