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Stroke Risk Spikes In Healthy Adults Who Don't Get Enough Sleep

hessian writes "Attention, busy middle-aged folks. You may be healthy and thin, but if you habitually sleep less than six hours a night, you still could be boosting your risk of a stroke. That's the surprising conclusion of a new study being presented Monday at SLEEP 2012, the annual meeting of the nation's sleep experts."

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  1. Re:Damn by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to cut back on that gaming all nighters once you hit 30 then.
    Need to get as many as possible until then!

    But only if you have a normal Body Mass Index (BMI).

    FTFA

    In people who fell into normal weight categories -- a body mass index of 18.5 to nearly 25 -- those who reported sleeping less than six hours a night were at about 4.5 times greater risk of developing stroke symptoms than whose who slept seven and eight hours a night. Surprisingly, that increase wasn't apparent in overweight or obese people who slept less.

    The increased stroke risk ONLY OCCURRED IN NORMALLY SIZED PATIENTS

    The application of this study to the Slashdot population should be obvious. Not to worry.

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  2. Stupid sleep lobby by Nursie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always trying to get us to sleep more, they only want you to sleep more so they can keep making their fat profits at your expense.

    Wake up sheeple!

  3. increase wasn't apparent in overweight by EzInKy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interesting! Could it be that using the BMI as a determining factor in who is healthy and who is not is in itself a flawed concept? Perhaps the amount of sleep needed is related to caloric intake, and the caloric intake necessary to maintain a BMI less than 25 is not sufficient to avoid stroke? Certainly there is more here than meets the eye. I'd strongly recommend much further study before anyone changes their lifestyles due to this study.

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    1. Re:increase wasn't apparent in overweight by MadKeithV · · Score: 2

      Interesting! Could it be that using the BMI as a determining factor in who is healthy and who is not is in itself a flawed concept?

      Like one of the above posters said: I'd put my bets on high BMI already being such a big factor in strokes that it drowns out the lack of sleep effect.

    2. Re:increase wasn't apparent in overweight by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      Yes. There is such a thing as "too thin".

      Body systems shut down.

      Not getting enough fat in your diet does bad things to you.

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    3. Re:increase wasn't apparent in overweight by Rich.Miller.6 · · Score: 2

      The evenness of the cutoff's in standard BMI interpretation (nice, round numbers like 25 and 30) is a really good clue that these are not scientifically-validated numbers. There are a lot of studies on BMI vs. mortality; here's a peer-reviewed article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, and a crucial slide. Note that the model-derived curve supports the usual interpretation that BMI in the 18.5-25 range is optimal; the bars showing actual data, though, show that BMI between 27 and 28 is optimal.

      A summary recommendations for your patients: for men, BMI of 23-30 looks healthy. For women, BMI of 18.5-30 looks healthy.

      For all patients (as I am sure you already know): exercise! The data showing health benefits from even moderate exercise are compelling, and exercising more is better for you, within a very broad range.

      [Sorry - I just accidantally posted the text above as Anonymous Coward - not my intention.]

  4. Versus segmented sleep? by macraig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    TFA, at least, doesn't even mention segmented sleep or how that might alter this alleged dynamic. Since there seems to be irrefutable evidence that the Industrial Age is the specific cause of this change in our sleep patterns and a prescriptive (if subconscious) effort to pigeonhole our sleep into one neat temporal compartment, why do these supposed experts continue to promote the Industrial Age myth of a single eight-hour sleep cycle? Why don't they consider the possibility that it might be our efforts as a civilization to force our sleep patterns into a single tightly regimented box that is causing the increased risk of stroke and other problems?

    1. Re:Versus segmented sleep? by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

      sleeping outside the box...

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    2. Re:Versus segmented sleep? by joh · · Score: 2

      Because not having a single eight-hour sleep cycle would be highly inconvenient in a post-industrial age, and therefore changing it is not an option, whether it affects your health or not.

      It was (and is) always an option for me. I often sleep a few hours at night and then another few hours in the afternoon. Gives me a nice stretch of quiet, undisturbed time through the first half of the night and I feel fresh all the time I'm awake. Never could stand the 16h+ stretch over the day since I was mindlessly tired half of the time anyway.

  5. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The increased stroke risk ONLY OCCURRED IN NORMALLY SIZED PATIENTS

    Never mind all that. The real gem is this:

    those who reported sleeping less than six hours a night were at about 4.5 times greater risk of developing stroke symptoms...

    So they didn't actually measure how much sleep the subjects got. They just took their word on it. Given that some people will overestimate or underestimate their sleep, this could just mean that the people who tend to underreport their sleep are the same people who tend to have strokes.

    Basically, the study is useless.

  6. Hmmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At least for the purpose of argument, I'm assuming that the statistical epidemiology is accurate; but that leaves me very curious indeed about what the mechanism is.

    I wouldn't have expected getting more or less sleep to affect the structural integrity of some unlucky blood vessel in your brain. Are there any clues about why such a dramatic effect might occur?

    1. Re:Hmmm... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are there any clues about why such a dramatic effect might occur?

      I have high blood pressure, and monitor it daily. If I don't get enough sleep my BP is higher. If I pull an all nighter (get zero sleep) my BP will go up by 20 points. For someone who already has high BP, that is enough to cause a stroke.

  7. And why can't they sleep? by fluor2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a chicken-and-egg mystery. Concluding that the health risk is because of bad sleep is just a statistically qualified conclusion.

    People often cannot sleep because of a lot of different problems. Most of them are diffuse, and sadly often treated by medicines that just help you sleep or similar.

    Finding the cause of why you can't sleep is very time consuming and often impossible by current technology, unless you believe Dr House is a representative of the average doctor.

    The heart is a muscle like any other; it needs to have a break. This is called sleep and should last at least 5-6 hours every day. When you cannot sleep, it might be because the circulation of blood is somehow hindered, or something else sending warning signals to our brain that something is wrong. Thus one gets alert and one cannot sleep.

    If one has trouble sleeping over a long period, the heart muscle gets tired. A very dangerous situation likely to end in a stroke.

    (Mind you, I am not a doctor.)

  8. Re:Damn by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    I had an uncle who died of stroke at age 28. Don't wait until you're thirty to get sleep. Not enough sleep has a few other bad effects, too, one of which is aging rapidly. Those people you see who are 40 and look 60? They smoke and don't get enough sleep.