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A Digital Citizen's Bill of Rights

New submitter matt.a.f writes "Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) has published a first-draft Internet Bill of Rights, and it's open for feedback. He wrote, 'While I do not have all the answers, the remarkable cooperation we witnessed in defense of an open Internet showed me three things. First, government is flying blind, interfering and regulating without understanding even the basics. Second, we have a rare opportunity to give government marching orders on how to treat the Internet, those who use it and the innovation it supports. And third, we must get to work immediately because our opponents are not giving up.' Given the value of taking an active approach agains prospective laws such as SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA, I think it's very important to try to spread awareness, participation, and encourage elected officials to support such things."

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  1. Government actually working for the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This seems to be the twilight zone. An politician taking a stand to help protect freedom. Wow.

    1. Re:Government actually working for the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. It's rare to see a politician, let alone a Republican, taking a stand to help protect freedom.

      I'm nott surprised. No matter how evil you might think that a person is I have strong doubts that you can find a person who doesn't consider themselves as good.
      Conflict doesn't occur because there is a good and evil side, they occur because there are two or more views on what is good.

    2. Re:Government actually working for the people by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm guessing the fact that all those silicon valley megatech companies that opposed SOPA fall in his jurisdiction and are potential campaign contributors may have helped a teeny bit...

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    3. Re:Government actually working for the people by schwit1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't corporate greed that is bankrupting California, it is Union greed. Corporations and unions are no different in their self-interest at the expense of everyone else.

    4. Re:Government actually working for the people by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Citing the wsj for an anti-union story is like citing linux.com for an anti-microsoft article, or citing Fox News for an anti-Obama article. As to "Corporations and unions are no different in their self-interest at the expense of everyone else", that's incorrect. Whether you're in a union or not, you can blame or praise them for safer working conditions, wekends, paid vacations, sick leave, and a host of other things you would never have had were it not for unions. When the union wins, the only losers are management and the 1%, those who work for a living always win when the union wins whether or not they're in a union.

    5. Re:Government actually working for the people by hb253 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I heartily agree that unions have helped with "safer working conditions, weekends, paid vacations, sick leave, and a host of other things ". However, they have also failed miserably when it comes to things like nonsensical work rules, seniority, and protecting useless workers.

      The one example I can give is my first job (which was a union posiiton). There was a guy who used to hide in the toilet to read the paper or sleep. There was another guy who ran a vitamin supplements business from his desk. They were useless workers and yet every year we got the same pay raise. Management (also useless) tried to get rid of them several times, but the union reps always managed to save them.

      In an ideal world, I would like to have the benefits that unions have brought without the the soul sucking lowest common denominator mentality that holds back conscientious workers.

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    6. Re:Government actually working for the people by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did you read it? Looks pretty scary to me:

      "5. Creativity - digital citizens have a right to create, grow and collaborate on the internet, and be held accountable for what they create"

      No more creating anonymous posts on the internet.

      "10. Property - digital citizens have a right to benefit from what they create, and be secure in their intellectual property on the internet"

      lay ground work for SOPA 2.0

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  2. Is that really happening? by azalin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might be interesting to monitor what happens to this in a few months time. Will it be simply ignored, shelved or "noted as valuable input" and then ignored. I'm getting a bit pessimistic about common sense and politicians accepting input from the public lately.
    I really hope something good will come out of this, but I won't hold my breath.

    1. Re:Is that really happening? by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reality is, all you can do is publicly support it. Even if it is empty politics, the greater the public support the more they will have to take notice of it and the greater the risk of ignoring it. It matters not what party, whether conservative or progressive is arbitrary, at the end of the day all that counts is policy. The internet bill of rights for individuals is good policy, the greater the support, the greater the impact of the policy. Even if it is a political scam, should the response be strong enough, the politician will find themselves bound by as the backlash would be to severe to just ignore it. So pile on there and pass it on and then see what will come of it.

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  3. We already have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't need an "Internet Bill of Rights." The government just needs to adhere to the actual "Bill of Rights" that's already in the Constitution, and we'll be ok.

    1. Re:We already have one by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't need an "Internet Bill of Rights."

      I don't know about that. I think the internet has developed into something bigger, It's an entity all to itself. I think it pretty well needs to be or have it's own government to protected it from all other governments. It's not just the US government that's attacking the internet and it's users and we need a collective voice out there telling all governments to "step off", this is outside their realm of influence and anyone anywhere at anytime should be able to use the internet as a medium to share ideas.

      The problem is the internet can't fight back because there is not central authoritative "leader" to fight back, but it is powerful, which is why I think governments are working to control it and it's contents. Look what happened when SOPA was proposed, all the sudden there was outrage. Using the internet we were all able to collectively say fuck off and what happened!? The government backed down. Unfortunately they've only backed down until people have forgotten what they tried to do, they'll learn form their mistake and come after the internet again. Next time we might not be able to stop them.

      Being able to get all governments to agree anyone using the internet should have certain rights is the first step to creating an internet government that will have the ability to fight for what all it's users collectively want.

  4. The problem with these efforts by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Politicians eventually end up consulting "industry experts" (read that as corporate representatives) for advice/bribes to help craft the legislation. Then, we end up with a watered down or punched-full-of-loopholes version of a great idea. We're a full blown fascist government now. There simply aren't enough politicians willing to give up the power and post-Congress paybacks to make something like this happen.

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  5. Darrel Issa by bmo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and Polis, and Lofgren are probably the most Internet-literate people I had ever seen as politicians.

    That Issa did not follow Smith's leadership in the House Judiciary Committee when it came to marking-up internet-hostile bills like SOPA was refreshing when watched live on CSPAN.

    His social-conservatism in other areas, leaves much to be desired, but at least he's not like that scumbag Goodlatte who brought up child-porn as a justification for SOPA every time he got the chance to speak.

    I think Maxine Waters was one of the most despicable on the other side of the aisle. The blatant anti-debate "let's all just go home, you're wasting my time" bullshit she was pulling made me want to scream.

    The amount of illogic on both sides of the aisle except for a handful of people is disheartening.

    Issa understands the Internet, and so do a few others. He is part of a very small minority. The rest are technophobes who have no idea what they are trying to regulate and simply don't care.

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    1. Re:Darrel Issa by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think Issa fully understands. Look at #10 of his Bill of Rights:

      Property - digital citizens have a right to benefit from what they create, and be secure in their intellectual property on the internet

      The first part sounds okay. But the second part, no. What does "secure" mean here? Worse than that, he said "intellectual property".

      He may be opposed to the details of SOPA, but not the essence. He wants some magic way to make intellectual property just work, acts as if it can be done, and seems unquestioning in moving ahead as if it's a good idea.

      Then, how about #5?

      digital citizens have a right to ... be held accountable for what they create

      That's not a right! That's some kind of obligation.

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    2. Re:Darrel Issa by Swampash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Property - digital citizens have a right to benefit from what they create, and be secure in their intellectual property on the internet

      And there it is, folks. This is just another cock getting stuck in our collective mouth, and this politician is hoping that if he puts some sugar on it we won't notice.

    3. Re:Darrel Issa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then say "copyright and trademarks and patents". They are nothing like property.

      Property is inalienable from the person, it's one of the reasons governments exist.

      Copyright is _meant_ to expire and soon.
      Patents are _meant_ to expire and soon (no, really, that's why we as a society have them: so they expire).

      Your deed for your house is not meant to expire.

      So use the right words and not 1984 newspeak.

  6. A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

    by John Perry Barlow

    Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

    We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.

    Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.

    You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.

    You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.

    Cyberspace consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.

    We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.

    We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.

    Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.

    Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.

    In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Jefferson, Washington, Mill, Madison, DeToqueville, and Brandeis. These dreams must now be born anew in us.

    You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.

    In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of Cyberspace. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blankete

    1. Re:A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      "You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants."

      Says the Fetus who thinks that nobody was here when he got here. I've been ONLINE cince 1986 exploring UUNET before you were even though of. There are a lot of us old farts here that are the real natives, not you come later johnny's that think you own this place. Befoer you we had peace and harmony. We lived among and with the data... but YOU came along with your Goatse and your Hot Grits and disrupted the data. And now we look at what you have brought, us.... LOL cats, Facebook, and morons on Youtube.

      Proud of yourself?

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    2. Re:A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace by Raenex · · Score: 4, Funny

      Says the Fetus who thinks that nobody was here when he got here. I've been ONLINE cince 1986 exploring UUNET before you were even though of. There are a lot of us old farts here that are the real natives, not you come later johnny's that think you own this place.

      The piece was written, if the basic facts of Wikipedia are correct, in 1996 by somebody who is now age 64 and:

      "In 1986, Barlow joined The WELL online community, then known for a strong Deadhead presence. He served on the company's board of directors for several years. In 1990, Barlow founded the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) along with fellow digital-rights activists John Gilmore and Mitch Kapor. As a founder of EFF, Barlow helped publicize the Secret Service raid on Steve Jackson Games."

      Get off his lawn.

  7. "Bill of Rights" cliche by SirGarlon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am getting annoyed with lawmakers calling this or that a "Bill of Rights." We've have the Airline Traveler's Bill of Rights, and the Credit Card User's Bill of Rights, and now this. To call these feeble gestures "Bills of Rights" cheapens the real Bill of Rights.

    If the legislature and courts would pay attention to upholding the real, one-and-only Bill of Rights, this Internet "bill of rights" would emerge as corollaries to Amendments #1 and #4.

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