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Apple Yanks Toddler's Speech-Enabling App

theodp writes "TIME reports that four-year-old Maya Nieder's speech-enabling 'Speak for Yourself' app was yanked from the App Store by Apple due to an unresolved patent dispute at the behest of Prentke Romich Company (PRC) and Semantic Compaction Systems (SCS), makers of designated communication devices (not iPad apps). 'The issue of whether or not Apple should have pulled Speak for Yourself from the App Store before the case was decided is trickier. Obviously, Apple would rather be safe than sorry and remove a potentially problematic app instead of risking legal action. The problem, however, is that this isn’t some counterfeit version of Angry Birds.' 'My daughter cannot speak without this app,' writes Maya's mom, Dana. 'She cannot ask us questions. She cannot tell us that she's tired, or that she wants yogurt for lunch. She cannot tell her daddy that she loves him.' If you're so inclined, Dana suggests you drop a note to appstorenotices@apple.com."

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  1. But she still can... by Bad+Ad · · Score: 5, Informative

    But its still on her device - so she still can do all those things. If she syncs her phone/ipad with itunes, she even has her own back up of the app and can reinstall it just fine.

    1. Re:But she still can... by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Informative

      A few notes:
      1) This is not the only way she can communicate, simply the cheapest $299 + iPad). The first paragraph of the article says that much. Later on it does mention that the iPad app is the only one the girl took to right away.
      2) Although it's still on her iPad, they worry that it won't get app updates and that an iOS update may break it
      3) The article says Slashdot broke the news, and now Slashdot is pointing at the article that is pointing at Slashdot...

    2. Re:But she still can... by Bad+Ad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So do not update your iOS. Keep your iDevice how it is right now. If its that important to you, treat it as a non up-datable speech tool. It will work as it does right now...

    3. Re:But she still can... by jpate · · Score: 5, Informative

      A few notes: 1) This is not the only way she can communicate, simply the cheapest $299 + iPad). The first paragraph of the article says that much. Later on it does mention that the iPad app is the only one the girl took to right away.

      The parents tried several much more expensive alternatives (including devices by the plaintiffs), but they were all too heavy or too difficult for an illiterate four-year-old to operate. They're not just going for the cheapest option

    4. Re:But she still can... by deathguppie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My wife is a speech language pathologist. Years ago I remember looking at a Prentke Romich tablet she brought home to customize the interface for a student. I couldn't help but think how simple it was for a device that cost around $3k. Just for the basic version from there they go up to nearly $10k.(yes I know there is a bit into putting together the icon sets and sounds.. I'm speaking relatively) Prentke Romich sells to hospitals, and other major medical institutions that have need for such a device, and can afford it, they do not sell to individuals per se, simply because the average family cannot afford one. They charge a lot of money for them. I very much doubt they are concerned with the "actual" needs of people as much as they are their pocket book.

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    5. Re:But she still can... by Empiric · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the law, as best as the legal dept see it, must be obeyed.

      Back in my day, we had a thing called...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_(Thoreau)

      Now that maximizing shareholder value (or, compatibly, keeping your job) is serving as a no-thought-required stand-in for ethics, though, by acting in effect as a rubber-stamping arm of the government on issues like this, that seems to be less and less in the public consciousness...

      Sorry, your post's phrasing seemed to have a certain... disturbing automaticness about it, and I haven't had my morning coffee yet.

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  2. Side Loading by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't you wish you could just decide for yourself what you could were allowed to install on your device?

  3. Stephen Hawking by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's the greatest mind of our time, very famous around the world, has millions of pounds in the bank, the best medical care money can buy, etc.

    Yet he refuses to upgrade the archaic system that allows him to spak.

    This is exactly why. You just don't trust something that important to a fly-by-night company that sells their wares through the Apple Store, of all places.

    1. Re:Stephen Hawking by bourdux · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would pay to hear Stephen Hawking speaking with a Morgan Freeman voice though...

    2. Re:Stephen Hawking by jimicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Historically, devices to help speech and hearing-impaired people to communicate were fantastically expensive. Mainly because they comprised a lot of custom-built hardware that simply doesn't sell in sufficient quantities to get mass production economies of scale.

      You needed to be rich and/or have some sort of a connection to an organisation that would fund such a unit for you. Make no mistake, if Stephen Hawking hadn't been blessed with the incredible good fortune to be a genius - and if he hadn't already started to establish himself as an excellent physicist before his ALS reached the point whereby he had difficulty with speech - it's much less likely he'd have had access to the sophisticated technology that allows him to communicate as early as he did.

      The iPad, however, is a complete game-changer here. It's truly a disruptive technology - suddenly, reasonably sturdy hardware with a touch-screen that's large enough for someone who hasn't (for whatever reason) got particularly good hand/eye co-ordination can be had for under £400. Pair it with appropriate software and maybe some sort of case and you've got a complete solution for under £1,000.

      Yes, the app's expensive. But the whole lot is still a fraction the price of a traditional solution.

      I'm not surprised the developers are in court. The companies who produce the custom-built equipment are probably terrified that their entire business model is in the process of evaporating and they'll be left with a product that is basically unsellable.

  4. Four-year-old's app? by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

    So the app was written by a toddler, right? No, it was two speech pathologists, Heidi LoStracco and Renee Collender. So it was funded by the four-year-old? No again. So it's the only way she speaks, at least? Nope, just the one she likes the best.

    This headline, most of the summary, and the majority of TFA are an appeal to emotion to cloud what's ultimately a bog-standard legal issue. The app's future sale and distribution has been blocked, just like Galaxy tablets, XBoxes, iPads, and many other products that are banned from sale until patent issues are worked out. The point of the story (I guess) is to point out that patent litigation affects innocent bystanders, but this is nothing new, and I personally find the intense spin disgusting. Somehow, the fact that a four-year-old uses this app supposedly makes it okay to copy someone else's research and development? What about the researcher at Prentke Romich whose income depends on the company's speech hardware, who has a toddler at home to feed? What about the toddler whose lawyer parents are working on this case?

    Won't somebody please stop thinking of the children?

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  5. Re:Don't use iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is actually a slew of them

    one list is here
    http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/augmentative+and+alternative+communication

    There are some that are open source.

    But please, don't let facts interfere with your rant in the future.

  6. Re:Don't use iOS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you even read the summary? This is not a case of censorship which Apple has done in the past. This is a case of a legal dispute of patents and ownership. If it was on the Android or WP7 or BB store it would have been the same. Apple will put it back on sale once the developer and claimant resolve their dispute. This is the same knee jerk reaction when Apple pulled VLC. The first reactions were Apple was hostile to GPL when reality was one of the developers of VLC objected to his code being deployed in the App store because he felt it was not compliant with GPL.

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  7. Re:Bad karma by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the Buddhists are right, some patent lawyers and company executives are looking forward to an reincarnation as a pile of petrified sh*t at the bottom of the ocean.ï

    Or even worse than that, as another patent lawyer