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Microsoft Phasing Out Office Starter Edition

nk497 writes "Microsoft has started phasing out its Office 2010 Starter edition, ahead of the arrival of Windows 8. Office Starter was included in the OEM pre-installation kit (OPK) of software sent to manufacturers, and included ad-supported versions of Word and Excel, but not Outlook or PowerPoint. That will be replaced with an Office 2010 Transition OPK, which will instead push users to download a trial of the Office suite and offer a link to buy the full version. The free Office Web Apps will also be available for users not wanting the full version."

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  1. Who cares? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They're just marketing tools. Nobody actually uses them.

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    1. Re:Who cares? by sdnoob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      actually, a lot of people use office starter, even in soho environments.. and that's microsoft's "problem", it was cutting into sales. not enough people actually *buying* their overpriced office products.

      plus, some clever folks online have figured out how to install starter on any newer (vista or seven, i think) pc.

    2. Re:Who cares? by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Libreoffice cares, that's who. This boneheaded move by Microsoft will be good for at least doubling the downloads.

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    3. Re:Who cares? by jesseck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's correct... I've done the same with people I know that have purchased a new computer. I tell them to use Office Starter, save some money, and *if* they find they need more features or Outlook, they can install Office after purchasing a license key card. They save money at first, and I can only think of one instance (of about 10) where the user had to purchase Office after the fact.

    4. Re:Who cares? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      actually, a lot of people use office starter, even in soho environments.. and that's microsoft's "problem", it was cutting into sales. not enough people actually *buying* their overpriced office products.

      plus, some clever folks online have figured out how to install starter on any newer (vista or seven, i think) pc.

      Overpriced? Office Home + Student costs around $99 OEM version (includes Word + Excel + Powerpoint + OneNote). That seems like a pretty reasonable price.

    5. Re:Who cares? by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't beat free, which is the point here.

    6. Re:Who cares? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Office Home + Student costs around $99 OEM version (includes Word + Excel + Powerpoint + OneNote). That seems like a pretty reasonable price.

      You're used to it seemingly :-( Software took another turn recently... The new Mac OS Mountain Lion costs $20 for instance.

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    7. Re:Who cares? by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not wether msoffice is worth $99 as a whole, it's wether it offers $99 of benefit over and above libreoffice or the free version of office starter... Chances are that for most people it does not, making it overpriced.

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    8. Re:Who cares? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      That's just for the first hit. Where Apple will really make hand over fist in money will be at the App store and iTunes.

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    9. Re:Who cares? by donaldm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Libreoffice cares, that's who. This boneheaded move by Microsoft will be good for at least doubling the downloads.

      I use Libreoffice on my Linux laptop (Fedora 17) and actually do collaborative work with people who use Microsoft Office. Unfortunately I do have to produce xml, docx or doc files so the people who use Microsoft Office can read them which is easy for me to do. Usually most people I work with don't even know I run pure open source software and even if they see my screen think it is some professional version of Microsoft Widows which their company has not upgraded to yet. I do explain when asked but most people I work with have company laptops and are pretty much locked into a Microsoft environment.

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    10. Re:Who cares? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      Software took another turn recently... The new Mac OS Mountain Lion costs $20 for instance.

      And for a more appropriate comparison than an upgrade of a 12 month old version of an OS, iWork costs $79.

    11. Re:Who cares? by oiron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or $20 each for the individual apps on the App Store...

      Which seems better, because many people I know would use one or two, but not all three...

    12. Re:Who cares? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $99 is not much if for a piece of software that you use as an important part of your job. $99 is a lot for a thing that you use occasionally at home. The problem is that since discontinuing MS Works, Microsoft doesn't really have a product for people in the latter category. They'll end up using Google Docs, Open/LibreOffice or some other competitor's product and then one of the big advantages of MS Office - that everyone uses it and so training costs are low - is reduced.

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    13. Re:Who cares? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative
      Really? Apple's Q2 Financials
      • In Millions:
      • Mac Desktops (1)(9): 1,936
      • Mac Portables (2)(9): 4,662
      • iPod (3)(9): 2,528
      • Other Music Related Products and Services (4): 2,027
      • iPhone and Related Products and Services (5)(9): 24,417
      • iPad and Related Products and Services (6)(9): 9,153
      • Peripherals and Other Hardware (7): 766
      • Software, Service and Other Sales (8): 844

      (1) Includes revenue from iMac, Mac mini, and Mac Pro sales.
      (2) Includes revenue from MacBook, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro sales.
      (3) Includes revenue from iPod sales.
      (4) Includes revenue from sales from the iTunes Store, App Store, and iBookstore in addition to sales of iPod services and Apple-branded and third-party iPod accessories.
      (5) Includes revenue from sales of iPhone, iPhone services, and Apple-branded and third-party iPhone accessories.
      (6) Includes revenue from sales of iPad, iPad services, and Apple-branded and third-party iPad accessories.
      (7) Includes revenue from sales of displays, networking product, and other hardware.
      (8) Includes revenue from sales of Apple-branded and third-party Mac software, and services.
      (9) Includes amortization of related revenue deferred for non-software services and embedded software upgrade rights.

      Apple makes almost as much money in iPod (2.5) hardware than they make in Apps, Media, and software sales (2.0+ 0.8) combined. The iTunes revenue also includes iPod accessories as well. And any revenue from the App or Media or Mac App store to Apple is only 30% of reported revenue as they have to give the original content owner their 70% cut first. Bottom line: Apple makes most of their money from hardware. This isn't hard to look up.

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    14. Re:Who cares? by ericloewe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Home and Student, with three licenses, is usually ~100€. Around 30€ per license is a very good deal for anyone who doesn't use it for "revenue-generating activities". If you need something beyond Word, Exce, Powerpoint and OneNote, you can buy the individual program (in practice, two licenses - one for a desktop and one for a laptop/tablet).

    15. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most of us aren't students.

    16. Re:Who cares? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      just as long as they never start using MS Works. that is an oxymoron if i ever saw one.

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  2. Trying to get sales back? by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2

    Lost office sales must have convinced them to do this as a way to push people to cloud services, once they're on the cloud MS can find some way to wring cash out of them. I've seen a large number of people that just need Word and Excel use the Starter and never buy a full version, that can't be good for the earnings.

  3. Re:why not have works come back? by nzac · · Score: 2

    Probably because whatever works would be today would be made redundant by LO.

    It would just result in works being compared to LO like IE is compared to Chrome or Firefox. They would be giving people an excuse to bash MS. Plus they would loose sales to those who don't need anything more.

  4. How useful is Office, really? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have LibreOffice of course, but don't actually use it much. Word processing seems antiquated. I use text editors and browsers for my writing. Most of my writing is programs, documentation, posts, and emails, not letters. Good riddance to all those empty forms one is expected to know and follow in letter writing.

    Spreadsheets are sometimes useful. But I often find programming languages more flexible for heavy duty calculation.

    If I do a lecture, I work from notes and use a chalkboard or a whiteboard. One problem with a presentation is it's too static and linear. Fairly easy to skip stuff your audience already knows, but not so easy to whip up new slides on the spot for the other way around. A talk is constrained enough for a slide show, but that also makes them of limited value. Everyone has been in useless, boring meetings dominated by PowerPoint presentations.

    What else do office suites do? 3rd rate database management, drawings, and...?

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    1. Re:How useful is Office, really? by DigiShaman · · Score: 3

      You're running solo and expecting everyone else to do the same. Wrong way of understanding the masses. Although because it works for you, and really well, by all means continue to do what you do.

      Business around the world need a set of tools to act as a common denominator. An Office suite is a popular method. It allows for any employee to come and go out of a company with little downtime to transition in learning a new documentation scheme. Excel files can become massively complex with formulas and macros. Word files become excessively complex when rendering a 500+ page report deliverable to clients as a way of selling research and other interpretation data. Often including all sorts of markups and embedded photos. These files will need to be viewed by all parties involved with little fuss and ease of printing and editing.

      Oh, and you're running some heavy duty calculations, Mathcad is worth looking into. The licensing is uber expensive, and yet companies pay hand over fist for them. I can guarantee you, it has nothing to do with being ignorant of other options on the table.

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  5. Awesome news for LibreOffice by Qubit · · Score: 5, Informative

    If Microsoft doesn't want to cater to this audience, LibreOffice is more than happy to step up and provide a high-quality, powerful, free (and Free) office suite.

    I've installed LibreOffice on dozens of machines, and many friends of mine now rely on it for opening a variety of files that MS-Office can't (or won't) open for them. It'd be great to hear from any OEMs who are considering installing it as a part of the base package on their machines.

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    1. Re:Awesome news for LibreOffice by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      To be fair, and unfortunately, I receive sometimes MS office-made files that look different in Libre/Open Office. I don't really care on a personal touch (usually it's some slight design problems), but on the professional side the files often have to be the same, and I cannot complain (to a client) "don't use this feature" or "save as office 2003"...

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    2. Re:Awesome news for LibreOffice by flimflammer · · Score: 2

      OEMs will pre-install LibreOffice on machines as long as LibreOffice pays them to do it. Which will never happen.

  6. Re:Can they get rid of that shitty OEM trials too by Shikaku · · Score: 2

    Computer Manufacturers do that because it pays them. They get money that drives the cost down of the computer so you get a better price I mean they get more money. If it bothers you that much it's called format it and do it yourself.

    PS: just build the computer yourself you lazy ass, it isn't that hard. PPS: if you don't want to do that all you need is a license key, you can format it yourself and download the iso from something like this: http://lifehacker.com/5832896/download-windows7-isos-to-reinstall-without-restoring-your-system

  7. Office Starter ISN'T "worthless garbage" by Torin+Darkflight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll say right off, I actually use Office Starter for my SOHO work. I know this post is gonna get voted down simply for that reason, regardless of how insightful or informative this post ends up being. But, as someone who has no need for PowerPoint or Outlook yet still requires absolute 100% Office compatibility for my work, Office Starter has met all of my needs. That right there is perhaps the biggest pro of Office Starter. Even though it might not have all the features of the full Office suite, it is still 100% across-the-board compatible. A Word document or Excel spreadsheet created in Office 2010 Professional will look pixel-to-pixel identical when opened in Office Starter, and vice-versa. Although LibreOffice and similar FOSS office suites are good programs in their own right, they simply are not absolutely 100% compatible with Office. As others have mentioned above, I too have recommended Office Starter to those who only need Word and Excel (Or even just Word), and haven't heard any complaints from them. I even found the actual installation files for it in the recovery partition on my new ThinkPad laptop, and have successfully used them to install Office Starter on my home-built Windows 7 desktop. So, when Microsoft does away with Office Starter, I'll still have a way to install it on any new computers I buy or build in the future. Yes, ads are annoying. But, at least Microsoft did something right with the ads in Office Starter, and made them unobtrusive. No rapid flashing, no popups, no ads with audio. They just sit there in the corner, slowly cycling, and are quite easy to tune out once you start focusing on your work. So, I can understand why some people dislike Office Starter...but I legitimately don't understand the mass hysteria about it being a bad program, and the "good riddance" attitude of most people in regards to the news of it being discontinued. I LIKE Office Starter. Yes, I could buy a full version of Office if I wanted to...but I don't NEED to. Office Starter meets all of my SOHO requirements. Thus, I'm part of the incredibly small minority of people who actually think it's dumb for them to get rid of Starter.

    1. Re:Office Starter ISN'T "worthless garbage" by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no such thing as "100% office compatibility"... Just 2 days ago i watched someone copy his powerpoint presentation from one dell laptop to a slightly different model because he couldn't get the external monitor port working with a projector. The results, when displayed up on a big screen were quite embarrassing, with various formatting errors cropping up. Both laptops were a similar age, both running windows 7 and msoffice 2010.

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    2. Re:Office Starter ISN'T "worthless garbage" by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thus, I'm part of the incredibly small minority of people who actually think it's dumb for them to get rid of Starter.

      I suspect they're being smarter than you give them credit, actually. Did you click on the ads and buy a product? No? How many people who used Starter did actually clickthrough? I bet the Starter Edition brings in next to no revenue to Microsoft. They may not be very good at software engineering, but they are excellent at sales, and if they think that switching people to a new shareware/trialware system is going to be more profitable, then they're probably right.

    3. Re:Office Starter ISN'T "worthless garbage" by NoodleSlayer · · Score: 2

      Word in no way is WYSIWYG. It pretty explicitly is a layout engine, You change the margins, page settings of your document, target it to a different printer, it reflows your document. If your default printer on machine A has different page settings then your default printer on machine B then the document is flowed differently, this is *expected* behavior. PowerPoint is a little more WYSIWYG, but it's still reliant on machine-specific things like fonts. If you rely on non-standard fonts that aren't on the other machine of course it's not going to show up right. There's still other thing like relying on features that were added in newer versions of powerpoint where if you try to open it in a older version it'll do a best effort attempt to render everything correctly, but it's not guaranteed to get everything pixel perfect.

    4. Re:Office Starter ISN'T "worthless garbage" by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That usually means the presentation was made by someone who is incompetent.

      The vast majority of people who use presentation software (the entire target market for Powerpoint) are not going to be experts. It's software pretty much explicitly for people are not experts at graphic design (such as your average executive or middle manager) to put together a little visual accompaniment to a meeting they're running. If they needed to be an expert in Powerpoint in order for it to be useful, they probably wouldn't be using Powerpoint- they'd be using a proper graphic design package.

      If Microsoft Office is too complicated for the masses of non-IT office workers to use properly, something has gone horribly wrong.

    5. Re:Office Starter ISN'T "worthless garbage" by Nimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know this post is gonna get voted down

      KARMA WHORE SPOTTED.

      Also, please use paragraphs as a courtesy to your readers. I can't make myself read that constipated mess.

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  8. Paragraphs? by Qubit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you heard of them?

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  9. Restricted license by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Informative

    You 're not allowed to do commercial things with that. Why would I need office for home use? No, I'm not a student, so what exactly do you propose to do with it?

    Send a letter to my sister congratulating her with her birthday? Put all my recipes in a spreadsheet (after all, it's a database, right?). Maybe make a presentation so I can convince my girlfriend it's better to watch sports on television tonight than Jersey Shore?

    Keep in mind that many companies already have a license where it's legal for their employees to run full office at home and that many charities get a "free" license from MicroSoft so their volunteers can use it. There isn't a lot of situations left where you would actually have to buy a license if you really wanted to use MS Office and not be able to do so already, or use the Starter Edition, or Libre Office. Only there the "Home" license would be required.

    Oh, now I see, you want to use full blown Outlook because you like the features (I despise it with a vengeance myself). Sorry, that's not in Office Home, you need to buy the full package for that

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    1. Re:Restricted license by gerrytucker · · Score: 2

      I actually use this for making presentations for church and my kids use it for school presentations. I also like using spreadsheets for budgeting and items like that for the home. Just throwing out a few situations where a cheaper license like this is useful. Before it was available I would not consider getting Office because of the price and the rest of the family did not want to learn a different (free) office suite so they did not have anything to use.