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Sexy Female Scientist Video Draws Fire

sciencehabit writes "A new video released by the The European Commission — ostensibly aimed at getting girls interested in science — is drawing widespred condemnation from around the web for its depiction of female scientists as sexy models strutting into the frame in high heels and short skirts. A male scientist watching them from behind his microscope doesn't seem to mind that none of them are wearing safe lab attire—he just pops his glasses on for a better look. The rest of the video is a mish-mash of heels, nail polish, lipstick, and sexily smoldering Erlenmeyer flasks, arbitrarily punctuated by girly giggles." The Commission denies that the video (since pulled) was a parody, but they've certainly set the bar high for anyone who wanted to make an actual parody.

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  1. Whats the problem by rossdee · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whats wrong with sexy female scientists - they have them in movies.

    1. Re:Whats the problem by Golddess · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing. But seems like it'd do more to attract men to the field.

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    2. Re:Whats the problem by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whats wrong with sexy female scientists - they have them in movies.

      Or, applying the term "scientist" more liberally, on the Mythbusters - Kari Byron - though technically, she's an artist. (Women, take your pick from the other hosts, I'm sticking with Kari.)

      More seriously, I know a few women scientists and I can confirm that in many, many cases, the old adage "Beauty * Brains = Constant" is false. Personally, I think smart girls are sexy - end of story.

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    3. Re:Whats the problem by masternerdguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main issue is that this video is not an accurate depiction of lab work. It's an idiotic thing that would have been a great 80s music video.

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    4. Re:Whats the problem by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3

      Whats wrong with sexy female scientists - they have them in movies.

      Movies and real life are not necessarily the same thing, or remotely comparable.

      I'm not certain how my oldest daughter will react to this, even if it's presented in a neutral way. Pointing this video out to her without giving away my own views will be difficult, as it's so appalling. We'll find out tomorrow, and I'm not sure whether she'll laugh or snarl at it. Either way, I'll get an ear-full afterwards. BTW, she wants to be an astronaut, and is getting top marks in maths, physics, English, French and Russian to smooth her way (her first language is Finnish), and had completed senior high math while in junior high.

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    5. Re:Whats the problem by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An accurate depiction of lab work wouldn't attract anybody, simply because no advert could ever be long enough to capture the true nature of a science (or in fact, any) job.

      The problem is in trying to create a video at all. Ask female scientists why they got into science and create something that triggers those buttons in girls.
      Most likely female scientists didn't become scientists because they wanted to look at pretty colors in glass tubes all day.

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    6. Re:Whats the problem by tqk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whats wrong with sexy female scientists - they have them in movies.

      My favourite person in the whole world is a female (computer) scientist, and it irks me no end that she has no interest in me of a sexual nature. Moan. Drat.

      Personally, I think smart girls are sexy - end of story.

      Personally, I think the only girls worth even considering are smart girls. You can have the rest. I won't miss the loss.

      OBSTRef: Seven of Nine (assimilate me already, damnit!), Jeri Ryan! Drool.

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    7. Re:Whats the problem by Dekker3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd have to agree that Kari Byron both pulls off the "sexy" and "scientist" part better than these girls. And she's not even a scientist, nor trying (or at least this obviously) to be sexy.

    8. Re:Whats the problem by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      Summary is bad, as actual video is not what it says.
      And I have met much sexier scientists than that.

    9. Re:Whats the problem by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's totally untrue. There's actually a small positive correlation between IQ and good looks. One hypothesis is both result from good genes. The other is that men attribute intelligence to pretty women. (See halo effect. We also imagine pretty women to be virtuous, witty and nice.)

    10. Re:Whats the problem by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Funny

      Completely agree. The video clearly depicts a beaker smouldering much moreso than any Erlenmeyer flask. How do you mess that up?!

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    11. Re:Whats the problem by Pro-feet · · Score: 4, Informative

      My wife is a sexy scientist. Really. She loves high heels and nail polish. And physics. Believe me, it's true.

    12. Re:Whats the problem by EdIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ick. I'm not sure I'd consider it sexist, but I do consider it bad.

      Ohhh, it's sexist.

      Using good looking models? Not so sexist. Using very well dressed good looking models? Well women scientists are still women. They can dress nice.

      Showing lab equipment, chemical equations, and elements interspersed with cosmetics in a flagrant advertising-douchy way as if that is the only way to keep the attention of women watching it, or to participate in science?

      Sexist. Most definitely.

    13. Re:Whats the problem by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or, applying the term "scientist" more liberally, on the Mythbusters - Kari Byron - though technically, she's an artist. (Women, take your pick from the other hosts, I'm sticking with Kari.)

      horrible example. She's a film student they hired because she's pretty and they needed a pretty face on the show. BA in Film and Sculpture. Complete opposite of science. No science jobs, no science training, no interest in science, she's just a model.

      Jeri Ellsworth is a MUCH better example of a sexy female scientist. She invented the Commodore 64 emulator within a joystick, a popular toy that sold well on QVC and at Walmart. And check out these sexy photos of her soldering a circuit board.

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    14. Re:Whats the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mainzer. But I guess you were so taken with imagining what her tits look like that you didn't notice what her name was.

      Question: why does it matter if she's gorgeous? Is she a better scientist for it? Is her work more notable as a result? She's a remarkably intelligent scientist in her own right, and that's far more important to her scientific credibility than her cup size.

      Pairing "gorgeous" with "brilliant" is sort of like saying, "He's a great programmer. And has a horse cock!" They're two characteristics that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER, and drooling over a small handful of smart/pretty women only serves to underscore the sexist, borderline-misogynist, attitudes prevalent in the field.

      If you respect a woman's scientific work, there is no reason to bring her looks into it - it's irrelevant to the study of astronomy.

    15. Re:Whats the problem by finity · · Score: 2

      Personally, I think smart girls are sexy - end of story.

      Yes. This. In the same way, dumb folks are a complete turnoff, I don't care how good you look.

      I've put this statement to the test.

    16. Re:Whats the problem by VAElynx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But I agree with you: As long as there are sexists like you telling women to get back in the kitchen because math and science are just too hard for their poor widdle bwains, then yeah, these campaigns are silly and useless - because any intelligent woman will take one look at the line of bullshit you're trying to feed her, turn 180 degrees, and walk away.

      What wonderful strawman you are trying there.
      What he's arguing for isn't barring women from entering such professions, but that there's no need for specific recruitment. We don't need more female scientists, we need more good scientists regardless of gender. And I don't think that'll be achieved by asinine videos like this one.

      As for your extraordinary evidence, it's right there. They aren't choosing it, hence, they probably don't want to - same as a person who doesn't buy a hamburger doesn't want one.

    17. Re:Whats the problem by fightinfilipino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      how is the above post flamebait? it's the truth: sexism pervades scientific fields, just as it does nursing and teaching. these fields are societally seen as acceptable only for specific genders. we should be hiring based on whoever is best for the job. that's not what's happening in real life. in real life, society constantly tells us that women are not accepted in science, and that men are not accepted in nursing or teaching.

    18. Re:Whats the problem by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pairing "gorgeous" with "brilliant" is sort of like saying, "He's a great programmer. And has a horse cock!"

      You called?

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    19. Re:Whats the problem by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2

      Sir, I envy you. Make her happy and never let her go.

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    20. Re:Whats the problem by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      noting more than an attempt to re-engineer human nature, which isn't really malleable.

      Fatties were sexy at the turn of the century. Please explain.

    21. Re:Whats the problem by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

      BTW, she snarled...

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    22. Re:Whats the problem by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

      As the summary says, the video was pulled from the website. The video you're probably watching is not the one being discussed. I can't fathom who would be so dumb as to think that removing it from the website would be more effective than lying and saying it WAS a parody, even after saying it wasn't. Anyway, here's the real one. The summary was completely accurate.

      I'm suspicious that the whole thing is an overly complicated marketing ploy by some nail polish company, bribe some science commission to put an ad up. It could easily be a commercial for cosmetics.

    23. Re:Whats the problem by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 2

      I'd have no problem with this if the females are actually scientists.

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    24. Re:Whats the problem by martin-boundary · · Score: 2

      Useless! Science needs to attract more laboratory mice bent on taking over the world!

    25. Re:Whats the problem by WillDraven · · Score: 2

      More seriously, I know a few women scientists and I can confirm that in many, many cases, the old adage "Beauty * Brains = Constant" is false. Personally, I think smart girls are sexy - end of story.

      That's true enough, but unfortunately the few exceptions to "beautiful, intelligent, sane; pick two" that I've found are already taken. :-X

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    26. Re:Whats the problem by BeanThere · · Score: 2

      I know slashdotters are younger now but gosh, I was around at the turn of the century, it was only 12 years ago, and I promise you fatties weren't considered sexy then.

  2. Finally! by oakgrove · · Score: 5, Funny

    A story where everybody reads the article!

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  3. Umm by trifish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can imagine somebody was trying to address a number one concern of girls: It's not a sexy enough job! And I can't be sexy doing it, either.

  4. Well I was confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'll be honest, until I saw the tagline at the end, I thought this was a makeup commercial.

  5. Yes, I suppose that's true. by intellitech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the sense that people read Playboy magazine for the articles.

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  6. Speaking as an objective male observer by arcite · · Score: 2

    I'm all for this. We need more sex in the workplace. A sexy work environment, is a productive work environment.

  7. Re:an MTV video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I totally agree... they were obviously aiming for a dual-sponsored message.

    Science: it's a girl thing
    maybe she's born with it, maybe it's Maybelline

  8. Oh God by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This video is awful on so many levels.

    If you really want to close the gender gap, show girls the video of Ariel Waldman's talk at last year's OSCON. That..was awesome.

    1. Re:Oh God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://arielwaldman.com/2011/07/29/oscon/

  9. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why do people insist on closing the gender gap just for the sake of closing the gender gap? Is the goal to make more or better science come out of Europe? No, its just to have more female scientists, so that progressives can have a warm fuzzy feeling, but that will never happen, because someone who wants equality of result will never be satisfied.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While there may be some who would be content with closing the gender gap on general principle, for most of us the goal is not warm fuzzies, it really is more and better science. One of the problems we have is that since there are so few women in the sciences, it is very hard to attract new women, even if they have the aptitude. So, the woman who had the potential to be a brilliant bio-chemist goes off and gets a degree in French literature instead and we are down a brilliant bio-chemist. Will all of the women who are attracted by these kinds of efforts make significant scientific advancements? Of course not. Most of the men in the sciences won't either. However, if we can't attract new women to the sciences, we are, in essence, shutting out half of the population from whence these advances could come. This isn't the only reason to want to close the gender gap, but hopefully it will at least convince you that the efforts are not just some pointless progressive feel-good program.

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We insist on closing it because there is no evidence to support the theory that biological differences make one gender or another better "suited" to certain roles.

      We insist on closing it because there is a constant drumbeat of warnings about how we don't have enough people earning qualifications for STEM careers in college graduating, and we're going to have massive shortfalls - yet somewhere approaching 50% of the population (depending on the field - some fields have higher participation rates than others, to be fair) simply isn't considering the idea of a STEM career.

      We insist because there simply is no gender gap in performance measurements that is NOT eliminated by equal access and participation in math and science programs - yet there is clearly something social or psychological causing perfectly capable women to focus on other careers instead.

      Maybe you should think about the biases your own post betrays, and consider whether or not maybe you're part of the problem, and the reason you think it's dumb is because you're going to have to rethink your attitudes and learn how to behave like a decent human being towards women in your workplace?

  10. Original YouTube posting now made private? by Wootery · · Score: 5, Informative

    Judging by the 'tweets', what seems to be the original has been made 'private', i.e. taken-down. (I'm assuming that was the official YouTube posting - I can't find anything more official looking.)

    As well as the mirror linked in the summary, we have a Youtube mirror, and another non-Youtube mirror.

    Why would they bother? Do they really not realise that if you release something high-profile on the web, it's out for good?

    1. Re:Original YouTube posting now made private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do they really not realise that if you release something high-profile on the web, it's out for good?

      "The European Commission". You're probably american if you're seriously asking this? They are bureaucrats, the web is something someone prints out for them to read.

    2. Re:Original YouTube posting now made private? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      Do they really not realise that if you release something high-profile on the web, it's out for good?

      Did the people responsible for that video not realise how the internet works? I'm gonna guess no.

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  11. I don't know about American labs... by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know about American labs, but this is how we roll in Europe. Especially, Biology labs...

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  12. First of all by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why does anybody want to advertise this way?

    Does science career needs THIS type or any type of advertising?

    People who go to science and people who science need to go into science, have completely different channels of getting into science, being highborn for example (science is one of the most hereditary professions in the world).

    Science does not need extra people, science does not need advertising.

    If science had a want in people, postdocs won't be living on meager 50K a year salary, grown 35 old men with beards and wives.

    Why don't European commission advertise food serving industry, the situation seems quite deplorable there?

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    1. Re:First of all by turgid · · Score: 2

      I looked at the video, and I actually thought it was ironic, a clever satire on the current state of popular culture.

      There is no way they were being serious. None.

    2. Re:First of all by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      50K a year salary is not "meager". FYI.

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    3. Re:First of all by DirePickle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      50K a year is not a paltry sum, but it's a disappointing reward for ten years of higher education. The real problem, though, is that these are typically for one-two year appointments. Benefits are meager. There's no retirement plan. There's no room for advancement. In a year you will have to uproot your entire family to move somewhere else in the world.

    4. Re:First of all by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Compared to tuition it takes to become a postdoc, it is.

    5. Re:First of all by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      They don't want more people in science, they specifically want more women. It's an effort to eliminate the embarrassing gender gap, a relative need, than to supply an absolute need.

    6. Re:First of all by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2

      Why does anybody want to advertise this way?

      You have to remember what "way" do people advertise in the first place.

      Typically, they hire an advertising company. Such a company is typically staffed by half-manic artistic types, not skilled enough to for a solo career, but talented enough at faking to be able to impress executive who really haven't got a clue themselves. Thus you have the incompetent leading the blind.

      It goes without saying that almost everyone involved in this group is male and scientifically illiterate. Hence, throw in a requirement concerning both women and science, and you end up with this video: A shock production born of ignorance and probably contempt for both topics.

      The unfortunate thing is that no-one responsible for this will even be fired, and everyone involved got paid and will probably remain in the positions and/or be contracted again. Our society once again rewards failure, or at least tolerates it.

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  13. You know you want to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next stop - stirring more male interest in the nursing profession by making an ad with fast cars in a hospital.

  14. Sexist? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why did no one complain that they used a sexy male model for a scientist too?

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    1. Re:Sexist? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Could there perhaps be an indirect link in social pressure? Gay people are also prone to social exclusion during adolescence, which might actually benefit their education by freeing up the time that would otherwise be spent in social activities or drive them to persue more academic careers rather than those their peers would consider cool like athletics.

    2. Re:Sexist? by FrootLoops · · Score: 2

      That's one of the explanations I've thought of. My current list of hypotheses (completely untested, mind you):
        * More studying from social exclusion during adolescence
        * Less emphasis on family starting during early adulthood
        * Some genetic, womb-environmental, or early childhood-environmental factor causing both increased intelligence and homosexuality
        * Increased acceptance of latent bisexuality amongst the intelligentsia, so smart bi people might have more sex with the same gender than dumb bi people
        * Some brain anomaly resulting in both male and female thought patterns amongst homosexuals
        * Increased focus on rationality early in life caused by sorting out one's sexuality and beliefs (homosexuals are far more likely to be atheist/agnostic, for instance)

      Causation is as always very difficult, and there are lots of good candidate explanations here. In my own case I lean towards the third and fifth points. But I really have no idea with respect to general trends. I may have forgotten some of my hypotheses since I don't keep a list.

    3. Re:Sexist? by am+2k · · Score: 2

      One more:

      * Smarter circles are more tolerant, so more people are willing to declare themselves in public.

      In my country, there was a far-right gay politician who refused to declare himself (despite many people secretly knowing about it), because that would have been very bad for his career. Only after he killed himself in a DUI car accident after having visited a gay bar, his party officially admitted that he was bisexual.

  15. Right.. by Haedrian · · Score: 2

    Because after we fill girls' head with garbage about needing to be tall and thin, needing to wear high heels and makeup and the rest of it; getting them to follow celebrities who do the above... THIS is a problem.

    Baby steps.

    I'm sure every single girl wants to look like an unattractive female scientist wearing a labcoat and geeky safety equipment and looking plain. Especially after the garbage everyone else is throwing into their head.

  16. This is nothing! by rbh42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please take a look at how things work in Denmark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ8_81Qy9kg&feature=BFa&list=UU3B_-v8-6-_6Px0FwBcLTrw Not at all related to the subject but also funny - and from just across the lawn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOzwpMs-5bM&feature=BFa&list=UU3B_-v8-6-_6Px0FwBcLTrw

  17. There are some REAL problems in the world. by morkalg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to sound like a hippy... but there are large portions of this planet where life is cheap, blood soaks the streets, children are forced into war AND people starve to death. How about we look at those real problems first before we get our panties in a bunch over something so trivial?

    1. Re:There are some REAL problems in the world. by hackula · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We can walk and chew gum at the same time. This fallacy is a classic though, so maybe we can just call this argument "vintage".

  18. Horrible by JeremyGNJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    What a horrible bunch of stereotypes and role models for young girls. Everyone know that to be smart you have to bug ugly or fat.

  19. I knew girls who loved science by sandytaru · · Score: 2

    I was one of them. When I was 12 I wanted to get a PhD in astrophysics and work for NASA. It wasn't the lack of sexy in science that made me change majors in undergrad, it was calc based physics at 8AM my first semester of college, followed by honors calculus with theory at noon. Bad scheduling on the part of the university did far more to kill my interest in STEM than the lack of female mentoring. I'd probably have had my PhD in physics just in time for NASA to start shutting down if it wasn't for my inadequate alarm clock!

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    1. Re:I knew girls who loved science by pnot · · Score: 2

      Functioning alarm clocks are pretty cheap. Acquiring one might have constituted a sensible investment in your career.

    2. Re:I knew girls who loved science by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm taking night classes while I get my master's in Internet programming, and doing a lot better. People doing well at 8AM classes doesn't show serious commitment so much as it shows people whose circadian clocks function on what is accepted as the "proper" schedule. Now that I'm not a stupid freshman, I can get up at 7AM pretty regularly, but it was almost impossible for me when I was 18. (That was also due to iron deficiency anemia, but it took another 8 months for me to be diagnosed with that when I finally went to the doctor about not being able to get up, even with the alarm.)

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  20. An Actual - Real - Female Scientist Responds by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3eZQHwGQE0&feature=g-u-u

    I agree with Dr. Meghan Gray. She is spot on.

    For those not familiar with Brady (the interviewer and editor of the videos), don't take too much offense. He commonly takes an antagonistic view to help draw out a more in-depth response.

  21. take it easy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    is drawing widespred condemnation from around the web for its depiction of female scientists as sexy models strutting into the frame in high heels and short skirts.

    "Condemnation"? Isn't that a bit strong for what at most deserves a "that's silly"?

    We have completely devalued outrage to the point where it has almost no meaning left at all.

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    1. Re:take it easy by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      Our outrage is devalued because it's mostly completely false. The only real emotion we have left is apathy.

      I would write more, but fuck it.

  22. Wrong gender by FrootLoops · · Score: 2

    Because he was hot. It's like they screwed up and made an ad appealing to men instead of women. They should have had a bunch of attractive male scientists strutting around a pretty but not-too-pretty female scientist.

  23. Re:Whew. Thank goodness... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2

    Europeans can be just as bad...remember the performance art cake that was made in protest of female genital mutilation in Africa? You know, the one that screamed when you cut a piece? This is along those same lines.

  24. Re:Turnabout is fair play by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

    Because it's a recruiting ad. And we really don't want the average scientist to be as smart as the average consumer.

  25. I've known some HOT PhD Candidates. by darkonc · · Score: 2
    I worked in a university Biochemistry lab many years ago, and some of the girls in the labs on our floor were HOT. One was a page 3 girl -- and she wasn't even the hottest girl on the floor.

    Now, they did wear proper 'lab' gear when at work, but outside of the lab, they wore whatever they wanted .. and if they wanted to look hot ... they did.

    If you want a video of hot female scientists, just find some, do some real interviews with them and splice the pieces together. Not only will you have hot babes talking about science, you'll probably have something that real girls will listen to.

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  26. Re:Whew. Thank goodness... by manwargi · · Score: 2
  27. A great example is veterinary medicine by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    Time was, the only "acceptable" professions for women were teachers and nurses. Hence part of the reason they still dominate there. However since we've gotten over that, one area women have flocked to is veterinary medicine. My vet (a fairly sizable animal hospital) is ALL women. All the vets, all the vet techs, all the receptionists, everyone.

    This isn't because there's some massive push to get women in to it, it is because they want to do it. My mother's theory is that it is the nurturing nature of the work that appeals to many women, combined with being fairly well paid and skilled. For that matter, mom would have very much liked to be a vet, had it been an option to her (her parents were very much the "You can be whatever you want, a nurse or a teacher," type).

  28. Pamela Stephenson by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Pamela Stephenson - in the "Not the Nine O'Clock News" comedy series, one of the Superman movies and for many years a psychologist and author. She may be married to Billy Connelly but that's a relevant as Richard Dawkins being married to Lalla Ward (2nd Romana in Dr Who).