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Gamera II Team Smashes Previous Best Human-Powered Helicopter Flight Time

Zothecula writes "For over 30 years, the $250,000 for the American Helicopter Society's Igor I. Sikorsky Human Powered Helicopter Competition prize has looked decidedly secure, but Gamera II has changed all that. Last week, Clark School of Engineering team pilots came close to breaking one of the competition's major milestones. Ph.D. candidate from Kyle Gluesenkamp from the School's mechanical engineering department, hand-cranking and pedaling like his life depended on it, managed to keep the huge quad-rotor craft aloft for 50 seconds, an impressive new world record that's currently awaiting validation by the National Aeronautic Association (NAA)." We previously covered their attempt to break the record last May.

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  1. Gamera is friend to all children! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gamera is REALLY NEAT.
    Gamera is FULL OF MEAT.
    We all love you, GAMERA!

  2. University of Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although the summary doesn't state it, the Clark School of Engineering is part of the University of Maryland at College Park.

  3. Get a better cyclist? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems to me they could break 1 minute easily with a better cyclist and maybe better gearing ratios?

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    1. Re:Get a better cyclist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get the pilot some pedal straps for his feet!

    2. Re:Get a better cyclist? by residents_parking · · Score: 2

      Agreed - 50 seconds is a sprint that strongly suggests a training limit. I guess the point of a competition like this is the design of an efficient vehicle, so how about publishing the power requirements (wattage)?

  4. Awe-inspiring? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Until then, have a look at the following video of Gluesenkamp's awe-inspiring record flight

    I'm sorry, I didn't even realize he had lifted off the ground. Awe-inspiring isn't exactly the word I'd use.

  5. Re:Impressive engineering feat by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Informative

    That would basically render the whole exercise pointless, because any energy-storage device on-board the craft could be powered by any form of energy. For instance, if you could build a giant 8-seat helicopter and power it with electric batteries, then even a human could "power" it by using an exercise bike to charge the batteries, very slowly, over the course of days or months. I think the whole idea is to make a craft that's so light that a human can power it directly; by storing energy, you can make the craft as big and heavy as you want.

  6. Re:Impressive engineering feat by NEDHead · · Score: 2

    MILLIONS of FLIES!!

  7. Re:Impressive engineering feat by NEDHead · · Score: 2

    Realistically it is an interesting exercise (pun intended) in efficient design. Real question is: for a 100% efficient design, of zero mass, how long can the best (i.e., well doped) cyclist in the world stay aloft?

  8. Re:Impressive engineering feat by Stickybombs · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. The rules http://www.vtol.org/awards-and-contests/human-powered-helicopter/hph-rules (Rule 4.1.4) say that you can not use any form of stored energy. They exclude the rotors, of course.

  9. Re:Impressive engineering feat by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    I wonder if you could just beat the record by getting a real cyclist on the thing. Put one of those Olympic or TdF cyclists on the thing. They probably wouldn't even have to use their arms. You could probably design a helicopter with 2 people powering the helicopter. If one person can lift their own weight plus the weight of the craft, then 2 people could distribute the weight of the craft between them. So long as you didn't need too much extra parts to make up for the extra complexity of 2 (or more) riders. Definitely a lot of room for improvement and breaking this new record.

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  10. Re:Holy crap! by Khashishi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A somewhat more practical device could be a hydrid airship/helicopter. Keep it heavier than air, but use a hydrogen-filled balloon to counter most of the weight and cycle power to carry the rest. Unfortunately, it would still be large, but the helicopter part could be substantially smaller.

  11. not really practical application by v1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    They're taking massive advantage of ground effect, and are using the distributed rotors to magnify the effect more than a single rotor could. That's probably the primary reason they did so well.

    The entire thing seems to be an exercise in futility. Helicopters aren't very efficient. I'd be much more interested in seeing more of the human-powered-glider competitions. Those guys can keep them up in the air quite a lot longer.

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    1. Re:not really practical application by Alioth · · Score: 2

      Well, no, human powered gliders are already practical and you can use a bog standard Schempp-Hirth Discus. They do it quite a lot off one ridge in England, basically a bunch of people with a bungee rope sling the glider off the edge of the ridge, and the glider pilot then uses the lift to stay aloft like any other launch method.

      For powered fixed wing there has also been the Gossamer Albatross which crossed the English channel.

      This on the other hand takes quite a feat of engineering to make something light enough AND stable enough AND strong enough AND distribute the power to the rotors. It's not about being a practical design, it's about meeting quite a tricky engineering challenge.

      Full scale helicopters also take massive advantage of ground effect - many helicopters struggle to hover out of ground effect at gross weight. Watch any light piston helicopter take off, and you'll see it lifts into a ground effect hover, then flies in ground effect until it's in translational lift and then some before actually climbing out.

    2. Re:not really practical application by Saffaya · · Score: 2

      Full scale helicopters also take massive advantage of ground effect - many helicopters struggle to hover out of ground effect at gross weight. Watch any light piston helicopter take off, and you'll see it lifts into a ground effect hover, then flies in ground effect until it's in translational lift and then some before actually climbing out.

      You do not fully understand what you are otherwise accurately describing.
      Full scale helicopters do not "take advantage" of ground effect. It is actually a hindrance that reduces its flight capacity.
      The reason is that the helicopter is caught inside its own turbulences.
      As long as the aircraft is within the ground effect, its flight performances are degraded.

      You can find a real-life account of this phenomena, in books such as "Chickenhawk" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(book) by Robert Mason or "Centaur Flights" by Richard Spalding for example.

  12. Re:Ground effect by Thelasko · · Score: 2

    Is it a helicopter or just using ground effect? I mean could it fly higher?

    The device in question does appear to be designed specifically to maximize the use of ground effect. The whole machine looks like it's upside-down to get the rotors as close to the floor as possible. However, just because it was designed to use ground effect, doesn't mean it isn't a helicopter. I consider it a helicopter, just not a very practical one.

    Kudos to the designer for taking every possible advantage to break the record!

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  13. Re:Paging Alberto Contador by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    That's 2 posts about Contador in this article already. Sure he has plenty of allegations against him, but the whole sport is pretty much run off drugs. He was just caught.

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  14. Re:Impressive engineering feat by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2

    A bit too solid, and the angles are all wrong (for the rider).

    Putting the rider in a reclined position, he's unable to use his body weight against the pedals. Using his arms,he's unable to brace his body to use the full power of his legs (by far more powerful than arms), and by using fixed gearing - the cyclist and the craft reaches max-rpm quickly. Adding gearing would allow the rider to get the rotors spinning with relative ease, then increase the rpm of the rotors by switching gears.

    I say:
    1. eliminate hand pedaling
    2. put the rider upright
    3. make it an 18 speed

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  15. Re:Impressive engineering feat by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a good question. However, as an engineer, I feel obliged to point out that this exercise, while interesting, has absolutely zero practicality or usefulness. Even if you could reduce the helicopter's mass to zero, the amount of energy a human would have to expend to keep himself aloft is staggering. Obviously, a fit human can do it for a minute or three, an athlete like Lance Armstrong might be able to keep it up for 5-10, but that's it; after that, they'll be crashing.

    Not only that, this test isn't very realistic as far as helicopters are concerned: they're not far enough away from the ground. Close to the ground, you get the in-ground hover effect, which reduces the amount of power you need to stay aloft. Over 10 feet or so, you go into out-of-ground effect, and then your power requirements increase significantly. In-ground effect is only useful for taxiing to your runway or helipad; if you want to hover anywhere else, you're generally doing it out-of-ground. So even a fit human will have a much harder time keeping that up for long, even with a zero-mass machine. There's a reason birds have hollow bones, and why even hummingbirds (which hover rather than glide) have very limited flight durations, despite their tiny size and mass.

  16. Re:Impressive engineering feat by Strider- · · Score: 2

    That's a good question. However, as an engineer, I feel obliged to point out that this exercise, while interesting, has absolutely zero practicality or usefulness. Even if you could reduce the helicopter's mass to zero, the amount of energy a human would have to expend to keep himself aloft is staggering. Obviously, a fit human can do it for a minute or three, an athlete like Lance Armstrong might be able to keep it up for 5-10, but that's it; after that, they'll be crashing.

    Also, it doesn't involve spherical cows in a vacuum.

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  17. Re:Holy crap! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

    Busted on Mythbusters; the paint used to seal the canvas had the wrong proportions, and did not have the same burn rate as rocket fuel. The paints were also layered, and at least one of those layers was fairly fire retardant. If you watch the episode on the Hindenburg, you'll see they did a number of large-scale models, and it really was the hydrogen that caused part of the issue (ANY skin that is at all burnable will cause the same effect when the volume of hydrogen gets large enough). In small-scale, hydrogen just burns "up" -- and quickly, with an almost invisible flame. This doesn't scale, however.

    Short story is: it's possible to use hydrogen in an airship if you use the right fireproof materials for structure and envelope -- but it's still going to cause a large fireball if it starts leaking and is exposed to flame (oxygen is also needed, so as long as it's sealed, sparks inside the envelope shouldn't be a big problem).