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How the Militarization of the Internet is Changing Warfare

puddingebola writes in with a link to a New York Times article about how the militarization of the internet is changing contemporary warfare. "The decision by the United States and Israel to develop and then deploy the Stuxnet computer worm against an Iranian nuclear facility late in George W. Bush's presidency marked a significant and dangerous turning point in the gradual militarization of the Internet. Washington has begun to cross the Rubicon. If it continues, contemporary warfare will change fundamentally as we move into hazardous and uncharted territory. It is one thing to write viruses and lock them away safely for future use should circumstances dictate it. It is quite another to deploy them in peacetime. Stuxnet has effectively fired the starting gun in a new arms race that is very likely to lead to the spread of similar and still more powerful offensive cyber-weaponry across the Internet. Unlike nuclear or chemical weapons, however, countries are developing cyber-weapons outside any regulatory framework."

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  1. Peacetime? by highphilosopher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We have been at ware since early 2000's. It's not peacetime.

    1. Re:Peacetime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wrong! The USA has been in a constant state of Emergency since 1950

      Y'know, once the world calms down to pre-1950 levels of crazy I'm sure the President will give up his emergency-granted powers...

      Just remember if we get to Threat-Level Puce to set your radio dial to your CONLRAD station, paint yourself white, remove your distributor cap and lie down away from windows or doors, surely this aggression will not stand...

    2. Re:Peacetime? by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, according to the Constitution, the US has fought no wars since 1945. We stopped declaring war at about the same time as we renamed our War Department the Department of Defense (after which we continued to attack foreign nations just like we've been doing throughout history).

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    3. Re:Peacetime? by CubicleZombie · · Score: 2

      We have been at ware since early 2000's. It's not peacetime.

      I grew up in the U.S. during the 80's. Yeah, we could board an airplane with our shoes on, but there was still a pretty good chance of getting nuked. I can't even imagine what it must have been like for people in the 60's. Go back just a little farther, and the threat of actual invasion was imminent.

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    4. Re:Peacetime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nobodies every answered what makes the US think it can win this type of war? The largest military in the worlds no use in this type pf war. More likely the wells the going to be poisoned and there will be military grade nasties affecting commercial systems for technological generations to com.e

  2. Internet vs USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought Stuxnet was transferred via USB.

    http://www.matrixgp.com/?page_id=760

    1. Re:Internet vs USB by Hrdina · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess that makes this the militarization of the Sneakernet.

    2. Re:Internet vs USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sandalnet once it crosses the Iranian border.

  3. Military Meet Internet... by Cornwallis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wasn't the original purpose of the Internet to serve the military?

    1. Re:Military Meet Internet... by Sparticus789 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ask Al Gore

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  4. This needs to stop by 228e2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "THE decision by the United States and Israel to develop and then deploy the Stuxnet computer worm against"

    This hasnt been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Even though we all think US/Isreal are the curprits, all articles should start with an appropriate preface. This really needs to stop.

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    1. Re:This needs to stop by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

      And it won't be for decades. These are top-notch spies we're talking about here, with the most powerful military in human history defending them. There's as much proof that the US was involved in Stuxnet as there is that the US was involved in the Venezuela coup: They had the means and the motivation, and left some evidence behind that sure looks suspicious, but no definitive proof.

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    2. Re:This needs to stop by dbIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      These are top-notch spies we're talking about here

      I thought there was supposed to be US involvement as well?

    3. Re:This needs to stop by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Truth by popularity. The oldest form of evidence.

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    4. Re:This needs to stop by gman003 · · Score: 2

      This isn't a courtroom. We don't need "beyond a reasonable doubt".

      We have no other reasonable suspects. We have *some* evidence supporting the US/Israel hypothesis. We have motive. We have a lack of denial from the accused.

      None of those alone is "proof". Even altogether, it's not "proof", but this is the Court of Public Opinion, not the International Court of Justice.

    5. Re:This needs to stop by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

      This hasnt been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

      It's been quite proven,
      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/confirmed-us-israel-created-stuxnet-lost-control-of-it/

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    6. Re:This needs to stop by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      when would this require reasonable doubt?

      Whether it was the Israelis, Americans, both, or including Canada/France/UK/Germany/AUS/NZ/JAPAN is a legitimate question. But this isn't a legal proceeding, and the precise culpability of any particular government or branch thereof isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand.

    7. Re:This needs to stop by flyingsquid · · Score: 2

      This hasnt been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Even though we all think US/Isreal are the curprits, all articles should start with an appropriate preface. This really needs to stop.

      The allegation that the United States used a worm to secretly infect and then attack an Iranian nuclear facility is a very serious one... so if the U.S. really was innocent, wouldn't the government officially deny involvement? Instead, when asked about Stuxnet, administration officials say things such as "we're glad they are having trouble with their centrifuge machine and that we – the US and its allies – are doing everything we can to make sure that we complicate matters for them," which is what the White House Coordinator for Arms Control had to say in 2011. That's just short of taking credit for the attack.

      Now we have allegations published in the New York times where unnamed White House officials claim that Stuxnet was started in the later part of the Bush Administration and then continued by Obama. The account is very detailed, down to details of the conversations taking place in White House meetings. Again, serious allegations. So how does the Obama Administration respond? Not by denying involvement. Instead, they have Attorney General Eric Holder assign two prosecutors to look into leaks coming from the White House. Here's what Holder has to say: "The unauthorized disclosure of classified information can compromise the security of this country and all Americans, and it will not be tolerated." This response- to treat the reports in the Times as a national security issue, rather than to deny them- tells you all you need to know.

  5. Say what?!? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    marked a significant and dangerous turning point in the gradual militarization of the Internet.

    And all these attacks coming out of Chinese universities are what, game playing?

    Military takes on all mediums so it was inevitable efforts would evolve. WW III (should it come) will certainly involve a lot of concentrated attacks over the web, to bring it down, because it's far faster communication than simple radio or Television and goes around the world in milliseconds.

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  6. What utter tripe by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    What complete and utter tripe! The Chinese, Russians and any number of other countries crossed the proverbial Rubicon many, many years ago. If the submitter is so naive as to think that this was the first example of state sponsored computer hacking against another state than the submitter needs to go to Defcon or any other security convention. Get real, get a clue.

    1. Re:What utter tripe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      2009, if not prior

      Cyber-security is seen as a major vulnerability, with the US Defence Department spending more than $100 million (£69 million) in the past six months repairing various types of damage caused by cyber attacks.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5126584/China-and-Russia-hack-into-US-power-grid.html

  7. Peacetime? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Peacetime? The US has only been at "peace" for a handful of years in its history, the rest of the years it has been fighting people abroad such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. People within its own borders (Indian wars) or arming, training and supporting violence in other countries ("war on drugs"). By abolishing peacetime, the government is allowed to ransack our liberties, steal our income even more and stifle dissent. Keep in mind we are still under a state of emergency because of "terrorism" first enacted by Bush and then extended every year by Obama.

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  8. This did not start with Stuxnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a grossly inaccurate to state "Stuxnet has effectively fired the starting gun in a new arms race...". On the contrary, Stuxnet only makes a large percentage of the population aware of an arms race that started long ago.

  9. Rubicon? by sbjornda · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    Washington has begun to cross the Rubicon.

    I thought Washington crossed the Delaware. When was he in Italy? Now I'm all confused.

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    1. Re:Rubicon? by gman003 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not good with sarcasm?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sarcasm

  10. Re:Unregulated by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Geneva convention is routinely ignored, the US constitution is routinely ignored, any UN "declaration" is always ignored, etc. What good is another set of "regulations" that will be ignored?

    What needs to happen is people need to wake up and realize the constant theme of history, war creates war, violence creates violence. Only free trade and respect for human liberties create peace.

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  11. Laughing out loud by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...a significant and dangerous turning point.... If it continues, contemporary warfare will change fundamentally as we move into hazardous and uncharted territory....

    You mean, just like when gunpowder was invented? Or when troops started using wheeled vehicles instead of horses?

    Or when militaries started using... GASP!... aircraft?

    Get a clue. Warfare is always changing fundamentally as it moves into "uncharted territory" made possible by new technology.

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  12. rules of war by Spiked_Three · · Score: 2

    I never understood 'rules' of war. If someone runs from (the symbolic) me into a church, I say nuke the church. If my bullets can mutilate instead of kill, and in the end bring victory, then I shoot mutilating bullets. If my biological weapon can be easily deployed into your water supply, why shouldn't they be?

    The US started this war. And the rules of war, equivalent to laws, will only be followed by US law abiding citizens, not our enemy targets When we get another 9/11 level attack, don't be so naive this time, we started it (the same as last time).

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    1. Re:rules of war by Svartormr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then you don't understand war. What is limited is what doesn't really help to win battles or wars. If a church or a historical building is used as a defensive position you can atttack it, but if it isn't, it survivies. Regular ball rounds do plenty of damage. Chemical weapons mostly inconvinience trained troops. Who also breach minefields with little operational delay.

      The rules help minimize the damage to property and society and between societies. You don't just have to win a war, you have to establish a stable peace. I knew a lot of veterans from the Calgary Tanks who because they defended the beach at Dieppe while the infantry was taken off became prisoners of war for 3 years. Under your "enlightened" philosophy I imagine they're no room for POW's either.

      Well, better not exercize those views in a real war zone. With professional troops your side would likely throw you in jail. If captured, you're likely to be shot out of hand.

  13. Maybe.. by AdmV0rl0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone should note that while everyone watches Stux and similar, the Chinese have been carrying out Cyberwar, and constructive espianage for many years now. Their aggressive war activity has netted, and continues to net them economic gains far far outstripping the silly games being played around the Iranian nuclear program.

    And, further, unless its actually challenged, the price and cost of that makes the Iranian Nuclear issue peanuts.

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  14. Re:Big difference between 'cyberwar' and real war by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically, only Iran may possibly have violated the non-proliferation treaty. Pakistan, India, and Israel never signed on to it so were perfectly within their rights to develop nukes. North Korea formally withdrew before testing their nuke, though they probably did violate the treaty prior to that withdrawal.

    Iran is probably violating it, since they are a signatory, have not withdrawn, and almost certainly are developing a nuclear weapon.

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  15. Re:There's no WAR here by DirkDaring · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So if the virus made the centrifuges explode and people died would you change your mind?

  16. "defense advanced research project" DARPA by peter303 · · Score: 2

    Part of the goals was a distributed network with no "head" could be knocked out in an attack. The 14 root name-servers are the closest thing to a head.

  17. Step 1. Hack North Korea by DirkDaring · · Score: 3, Funny

    Step 2. Fire missiles.
    Step 3. ?
    Step 4. Profit!

    Oh wait, Step 1 should buy 'Buy stock in defense contractors'.

  18. Re:There *IS* WAR here by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The United States constantly declares war. There's been the "War on Drugs", the "War on Terror" - not to mention the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan and undeclared wars in places like Somalia and Yemen - where military actions (or drone-bourne assasinations) take place regularly.

    The thing is, wars are wonderful devices for a democratically elected government. They allow a "wartime" footing to be established where a lot of peacetime protections, rights and restrictions can simply be tossed aside. War is as much a state of mind as a military action. If a country considers itself at war, a lot of the things that its citizens would be permitted to do become criminalised, or at least subject to official scrutiny.

    This is exactly what's happened since 2001. The problem is that now we have governments all over the world - previously responsible, western governments that were considered "enlightened" are now viewing all their citizens as potential enemies, criminals or terrorists - and are treating them according to that suspicion.

    If you think that cyberspace is too abstract a place to have a war, just look out for all the critical infrastructure that is accessible on the internet. Facilities that any government would be mad to let people walk into unchallenged can (I'm told) be hacked. Whether it's by a script-kiddie or a Stuxnet wielding super-power is immaterial. It's a state of conflict and peoples' rights are being squashed in order to counter it. That sure sounds like a war - even if the enemy is us.

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  19. Re:Big difference between 'cyberwar' and real war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Almost certainly they are NOT developing nuclear weapon, as was repeatedly confirmed by Israel and US intelligence agencies, among others.

  20. Silly article! by stevew · · Score: 2

    The article seems to think that the US is the first to pull the "Cyber Warfare" trigger. That is just silly. The only thing different here is that the US government was silly enough to ADMIT that they were partially responsible for Stuxnet virus, etc. The US civilian industry, and military assets have been under constant attack by various "actors" for over a decade. The only difference is those "actors" haven't admitted it or been caught red-handed. Most likely (and again they haven't been dumb enough to admit it like the US), the Chinese government has been one main Cyber Warfare protagonist that is constantly assailing US assets. So everyone get off their High Horses and face the real world.

    The simple fact is we chose to fire bits at em, instead of nukes! Seems like an improvement in my mind!

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  21. Re:Big difference between 'cyberwar' and real war by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    Yes, the oil-rich state desperately needs to develop an extremely expensive form of alternative energy. And they need to enrich their uranium far beyond the 5% used in a typical commercial reactor. I'm sure it is all quite peaceful.

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