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Bill Gates Says Tablets Aren't Much Help In Education

An anonymous reader writes "In a detailed interview on the future of education, Bill Gates was surprisingly down on tablets in education — considering that Microsoft just released Surface. He said low-cost PCs are the thing for students, and he dismissed the idea that simply giving gadgets to students will bring change. Quoting: 'Just giving people devices has a really horrible track record. You really have to change the curriculum and the teacher. And it's never going to work on a device where you don't have a keyboard-type input. Students aren't there just to read things. They're actually supposed to be able to write and communicate. And so it's going to be more in the PC realm—it's going to be a low-cost PC that lets them be highly interactive.'"

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  1. i don't really like bill gates that much but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I completely agree with his assessment

    1. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by dyingtolive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I mean, for my distaste of MS, I really find very little Gates says or does that I actually argue with.

      It's really creepy to me: One man starts a cancer foundation, donates to charities, and, at least publicly, seems to be a decent human being, and is generally reviled. Another man is kind of an utter dick, makes abusive business deals, and after years of being a multi-millionaire without contributing anything to society, dies of cancer, and he gets worshiped like some kind of god.

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    2. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I completely agree with his assessment

      While I've watched computers go from useless technology, foisted on schools, to useful technology, sought by schools, I can only imagine his brilliant assessment is forged with the same insights that failed to foresee the internet when he was writing The Road Ahead. Bill's strength was always taking what someone else had invented and bundling it into his operating system and driving them out of business -- not because he needed to, but because he felt he needed to.

      Some day kids and teachers will be using these in education, while PCs will be relics of the past. He really needs to shut it.

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    3. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We arent defending the 'tablet'. We are pointing out that CHEAP mobile devices are going to be EVERYWHERE. We need to learn how to use them to teach with, not force a desktop paradigm because its familiar. Tablets are not toys, you are a fucking luddite if you think that. Its a portable screen with a big battery, light local processing and huge hooks into 'big iron'. If you cant see how incredibly powerful that combo can be when applied correctly then you are missing the entire point. Dismissing tablets as toys shows your serious lack of vision.

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    4. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by egandalf · · Score: 5, Funny

      What? Ballmer isn't dead. (This is a joke, please take it as one.)

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    5. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      New tech has to prove itself.

      No one else should cut it any slack just because you are getting all hot and bothered about your personal brand fetish becoming the new monopoly and replacing the old one.

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    6. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that new tech has to prove itself, however, comment like 'they are toys' are not helpful at all to the discussion and ignore the HUGE amount of use-cases tablets excel at.

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    7. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by crmarvin42 · · Score: 5, Informative
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    8. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by WilyCoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Web apps? LOL...

      How's that sand-boxed browser working for you? Do you have all the hardware acceleration you need? Can you churn out simd code using the NEON registers of the ARM chip? Got access to the camera, GPS & accelerometer? Are you getting all the multithreaded performance you desire?

      No, you're not constrained AT ALL...

    9. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Input speed. Entering text on a tablet is just painful. The reduced precision from the use of squishy fat fingers also makes fine graphical work difficult. They are great for web browsing, video watching, reading... consuming content. But actually creating anything more than a sentence long is impractical.

    10. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by hawguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Being a locked down walled garden appliance kind of limits their usefulness.

      The iPad is only a locked down walled garden to geeks. To a non-technical person, the iPad opens up much more possibility than is walled off. It would be hard for a teacher to find a useful application that's available on "open" Android, but not on "closed" iPad.

    11. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I get the impression you read Atlas Shrugged a few too many times.

    12. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by ooshna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Once docked its really not a tablet anymore is it? Plus those docks (and BT keyboards) are an overpriced added expense that I've only seen on high end tablets. We are talking about supplies for millions of students at all grade levels. Do you really think its a good idea to have young kids walking class to class with such expensive equipment?

    13. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by Gerzel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bill also thought the Internet was just a passing fad.

      Tablets will become standard items in classrooms. Just like PCs and whiteboards.

      How they will be integrated is still up for debate. Especially in earlier schooling tablets are still in the gadget phase.

    14. Re:i don't really like bill gates that much but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you fucking kidding me? Do you not realize how ridiculous you made your own argument sound? Let me summarize/paraphrase what you just said: "I can use my tablet the same as a PC, so long as I have several peripherals attached to it that render the fact that it is a tablet, and not a PC, absolutely moot."

      So you have to have:
      - Your Tablet
      - External Monitor
      - Apple TV
      - Bluetooth Keyboard

      All to have the same functionality as a laptop.

      Way to be a tool bag. Yeah, tablets are a great invention. But as of right now, they are VERY much more for consumption than they are for production. The differences between Tablets and PCs is similar to that of a fork and a spoon: there are several situations where frankly, you could get away with using either or, but at the end of the day they serve two entirely different, albeit related, purposes.

  2. Re:Considering the source... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah. His prognostications have been pretty much a joke. People should go back and read "The Road Ahead" and see how good that was.

  3. Exactly by edmicman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've wondered the same thing as I've seen ads that pretty much every major school district in my area are touting iPads for every student next year. I love new shiny tech, but I feel like 'get of my lawn' curmudgeon being skeptical on the benefits of outfitting every kid with a free-to-use tablet. It's especially frustrating when in the same article about the local district offering iPads to everyone (via a technology-specific millage) that same district is still 500k in the hole after cutting $1 million by way of faculty layoffs.

    I haven't looked, but is there research showing that giving every student an iPad improves something?

    1. Re:Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I work education IT, and every leadership conference in the last few years have centred around iPads and mobile computing. There are always multiple sessions about how they allow for innovative learning, classroom-less experiences, interactive learning, and a bunch of fancy buzzwords.

      Aside from very few cases - autistic kids playing an iPad game show improvement in certain situations is a common example, I haven't seen anything I'd consider an improvement, especially anything that's iPad specific. We've seen many examples of student presentations made with the iPad camera, but they're exactly the same caliber as a regular presentation, or one recorded off any old recording device. They're new and shiny, so people want them. That's generally it.

      Worst case, and in general, kids use the new stuff to fuck around. Give a class iPads and laptops, and I'll show you a class of kids watching youtube. At least with the iPad their not playing flash games all day.

      We recently had one principal ask how we can support a class set of iPads. We asked what he wanted to use them for, and nobody could give us an answer. There were buzzwords - mobile learning, hands-on learning, etc., but nothing concrete on how they would help the children's education.

      Finally I think very few teachers have the skillset required to utilize the new technology in any meaningful way. They don't fit properly with the tried and tested pen and paper methods, and teachers aren't either technologically capable, administratively capable, have the professional development available, or otherwise have the support of their educational system for any meaningful changes. Either they lack the skills, or they lack the support, or iPads just don't fit in an education system.

  4. It makes sense. by mosb1000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bill Gates has been at the forefront of preventing innovation in computing and holding on to old ways of doing things for decades. It stands to reason the he wouldn't be able to understand that computing is possible without a keyboard.

    That said, he is right that the equipment and the curriculum must work together. You can't just buy a fancy new toy and expect it to change much. But in the case of tablets, they could easily replace textbooks and printed materials with more interactive alternatives, and of course there'd be no benefit in having a keyboard if that's what you're trying to accomplish.

  5. "considering that Microsoft just released Surface" by sribe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh, really? Last I heard, nobody had actually been able to use one for even 15 seconds. Why, even MS executives on stage were not able to demo one for 15 seconds without it locking up.

    Seriously though dumbass, learn the difference between "pre-announce" and "release".

  6. Access to free (text-) books is reason enough by tp1024 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just having access to books when you need it is reason enough to have tablets or netbooks in schools. Instead of talking about Adam Smith, you can just read his books. Instead of handing out 20-30 thousand page books to all the pupils in the class, all you need is have them download a 1-2MB file. Fully searchable. And that's just one example.

    A single tablet can fit all books you'll ever need in school instantly accessible at any time.

    Even if tablets do absolutely nothing in the way of improving education in any other way, that's reason enough.

  7. Re:Bill, Are You That Much Out of Touch? by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 WAYS THE IPAD WILL FOREVER CHANGE EDUCATION

    Every single one of those points, except the point that the iPad has limited multitasking capabilities (and that's somehow a good thing in the classroom), applies to laptops.

    SD Unified Purchases 26,000 iPads For District Students:

    At 30 kids a classroom, they could have afforded to give 866 teachers a much needed $17k raise with the money they spent on this technology push that will end up abandoned in 3 years. Better yet they could hire new teachers. Watch as those iPads become outdated and can't run the latest OS with the latest and greatest educational apps in 3 years time. Oh, and that's another $260,000 in a couple years to replace the batteries as they go. How often do you have to replace the batteries on a textbook?