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Full-Body Airport Scanners Downsizing For Doctors/Dentists

An anonymous reader writes "Cheap handheld terahertz scanners that do the same thing as those big bulky full-body scanners at the airport could be in your doctor's and dentist's office soon. The Semiconductor Research Corp. has successfully sponsored chip maker Texas Instruments in making cheap CMOS chips that do the same thing as those refrigerator sized full-body scanners at the airport. The resulting handheld versions can be tuned to look inside your teeth in the dentist chair and under you skin at the doctor's office. The best part is that terahertz rays are completely safe, unlike the X-rays used today by dentists and doctors which can cause cancer. Count me in!"

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  1. "completely safe" by Hanzie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll wait to believe terahertz radiation is "completely safe" for a little while, yet.

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    1. Re:"completely safe" by Isaac-1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Safe means we don't know what bad thing it does yet.

    2. Re:"completely safe" by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With the sort of logic that is popular these days we would have rejected fire as unsafe (radiation from a fire is higher frequency than this THz - i.e. very far infrared) and still be eating our food raw in unheated caves.

      There is no such thing as "completely safe". The idea is preposterous. It is even more preposterous that we can prove something to be completely safe. Every heartbeat or breath you take is at great risk.

      It's all about rational risk assessment and testing. Given the fundamentals here there is no reason to be concerned about the safety of terahertz radiation. It is certainly far safer than the alternatives which have large known risks.

    3. Re:"completely safe" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least DDT is safer than malaria.

    4. Re:"completely safe" by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's pretty safe and has been tested over a very long time period. They've even given certain THz frequencies their own names.
      440THz is sometimes called "red"
      560THz is sometimes called "green"
      640THz is sometimes called "blue"

    5. Re:"completely safe" by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem isn't that it involves risk, it is that things that are "completely safe" eventually get abused to the point that they are no longer safe. X-Rays can cause cancer, but we know that x-rays cause cancer and therefore doctors/dentists are more reluctant to use them. Back when X-rays were considered 100% safe, we used them to see how well shoes fit! And other novelties.

      Is terahertz radiation safer than x-rays? Quite possibly. If we use terahertz radiation to excess will it be safer than x-rays? Quite possibly not.

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    6. Re:"completely safe" by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There was never a time when X-Rays were considered completely safe. Roentgen and Thompson both issued warnings regarding overexposure. Within a year of their discovery reports of injuries started appearing.

      http://goatrevolution.com/blog2/2006/11/10/radiation-part-cinque-further-uses-and-discoveries-of-x-ray-radiation/

    7. Re:"completely safe" by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      DDT is pretty safe if you aren't a bird.

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    8. Re:"completely safe" by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      I was with you up to green, but blue is a menace! It's a blue menace!

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    9. Re:"completely safe" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No doctor or dentist I've ever been to was ever 'reluctant' to call for an x-ray. As long as you're insured, it's free money for them to call for an x-ray, whether you need it or not. Last time I went in for neck pain, the doctor actually told me that whatever was causing my pain would most likely only show up on an MRI (as it was most likely due to tissue, not bone, issues), but he wanted to take an x-ray "just to see", and that he'd call for an MRI only if I still had pain a week or two later.

      As long as every doctor/dentist has an x-ray machine in-house that they can charge your insurance company for, whether it's really needed or not, they'll use it. If we can replace x-ray with some other most likely less-harmful tech, I'm in.

    10. Re:"completely safe" by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

      FWIW, the available research is pretty clear that terahertz radiation poses little or no threat to the body under biological conditions. There's lingering concern that it may have a small ability to affect lipid bilayer permeability (which could imbalance how cells pass messages, receive nutrients, and eliminate waste), but over all, a THz exposure is a lot like being bombarded with visible or infrared light: it will warm you up if left on for too long, but it's not really dangerous on its own. The radiation is too high-frequency to excite any of the electrons orbiting the atoms in the human body (which is how UV causes damage), and much, much too low-energy to knock an electron onto a different atom (which is how X-rays and gamma radiation cause damage.) Any effects it does have must be extremely subtle—and the body is very good at handling subtle problems, since we replace almost every cell every ten years on average.

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    11. Re:"completely safe" by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's pretty safe and has been tested over a very long time period. They've even given certain THz frequencies their own names.
      440THz is sometimes called "red"
      560THz is sometimes called "green"
      640THz is sometimes called "blue"

      And they stopped there because 640 THz should be enough for everybody.

    12. Re:"completely safe" by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When the dentist takes x-rays, they first cover me with a lead blanket from neck to knee and then they leave the room while the pictures are being taken. That's because we know that x-rays are dangerous, and we understand how they're dangerous and what steps should be taken to minimize the risk while still taking advantage of the technology.

      If it's "perfectly safe", no such precautions will be taken. Decades from now, we'll know whether they should have been.

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    13. Re:"completely safe" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Edison seemed to think it was perfectly safe and into the '50s stores were using the fluoroscope to make sure that shoes were properly fitting.

      You can always find somebody that thinks something is dangerous from the start, the questions really are whether they are credible and how seriously they're being taken.

    14. Re:"completely safe" by Warma · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are not taking into account, that doctors are wary of using MRI devices for scheduling and expense reasons. An X-ray image from a leased dental device is almost free (less than a hundred euros for private institutions here) and takes mere minutes, while an MRI scan costs thousands of euros and may take hours.

      Also, since MRI is more useful in a wider variety of situations, someone else probably needs it more or needs it sooner - you might end up having a huge waiting time to get yourself scanned. It is prudent to take the x-ray, because if the doctor can see the ailment there, the MRI scan may not be needed at all. He will also send you out, because if the pain disappears in a couple of weeks, the MRI won't be necessary. Money, time, work, and possibly lives, might be spared.

      If you are worried about the risks of a single x-ray, I assure you that they are beyond neglible - especially if you compare that risk with the possible wasted utility of an MRI device.

  2. Abolish the TSA by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scanners belong in doctors' offices, not airports.

  3. X-rays by SwampChicken · · Score: 2

    Didn't these used to say that X-rays were safe? Anyway, in IMHO the best option is to not to scan at all. Just let everyone board the plane and be on their way -or- we'll start scanning people boarding buses next.

    1. Re:X-rays by YukariHirai · · Score: 2

      Just let everyone board the plane and be on their way -or- we'll start scanning people boarding buses next.

      Yeah, the former option is never going to happen. No authorities ever give up powers like that without a very good fight, and usually expand them bit by bit.

    2. Re:X-rays by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most of those things only cause cancer in California.

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  4. hell yeah! by sribe · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I were a dentist, I'd certainly want to know if you're packing heat before I start subjecting you to excruciating pain ;-)

    1. Re:hell yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your dentist is subjecting you to excruciating pain, I suggest you find a different dentist. Most dental procedures are completely pain-free these days. Some have residual soreness once the shot wears off; that's what they make Vicoden for.

  5. Completely Safe... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As certified by the $10/hr TSA agent with barely a high school education.

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    1. Re:Completely Safe... by Intropy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Come on. You can do that with anything.

      Drinking tap water is safe. So you wouldn't mind if I submerged you in a tub of it for an hour?
      Playing tennis is safe. So you wouldn't mind if I made you play in a hurricane?
      Reading slashdot is safe. So you wouldn't mind if I made you sit there reading it for a week while force feeding you cheetos?

    2. Re:Completely Safe... by CelticWhisper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Major correction: TSA screeners, despite having fake tin badges and cop-a-like uniforms, are NOT law-enforcement officers and have absolutely zero authority to do anything other than say "Sorry, you can't enter the airport terminal today, try again tomorrow." That's it. They cannot make arrests, they cannot detain you, they are forbidden from carrying firearms on the job and some have actually been arrested themselves for using their TSA uniforms and toy badges to impersonate real law officers.

      I don't fault you for thinking they're LEOs - they've gone to great lengths to dupe people into believing that (reference the STRIP Act that would undo this) and are meeting with a disturbing level of success - but I do try to counter these misconceptions when I see them.

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    3. Re:Completely Safe... by Svartormr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Reading slashdot is safe. So you wouldn't mind if I made you sit there reading it for a week while force feeding you cheetos?

      For many readers, this is their normal state of existence. >:)

    4. Re:Completely Safe... by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 3

      True, but only technically. There are always real cops around TSA agents. All the TSA agent has to do is point at you (well, with some reason of course), and the cops would arrest you. Assaulting a TSA agent would not be considered assaulting a police office, and similar charges dont apply when dealing with TSA. Everything else though, is the same.

  6. Bah! I preffer the good old days! by hedgemage · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't want these fancy new scanners in my dentist's office! What's wrong with having the hygenist run me through the metal detector prior to performing an enhanced patdown?

  7. Re:2 million years of evolution by cheater512 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah we need far more testing on radiation. Especially in the 400nm to 700nm range.

    Sure they say its perfectly safe but how long have we been exposing ourselves to it? More data is required!

  8. Re:Bah! I preffer the good old days! by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Guess it depends on how cute your hygienist is.

  9. Re:2 million years of evolution by cruff · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are probably familiar with the usual laser safety warning:
    Do not look into the laser with your remaining eye.
    Obviously light in that wavelength range is problematic.

  10. DNA resonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    THz radiation may cause DNA resonance:

    http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/30/1216230/how-terahertz-waves-tear-apart-dna

    1. Re:DNA resonance by serent · · Score: 4, Informative

      In 2011, a further study was done that indicated that under normal circumstances, this theoretical danger shouldn't be an issue, but recommended rigorous experimentation to confirm this:

      Modelling DNA Response to THz Radiation
      http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.4153

      The long and short of it is, it's probably ok but if we're going to start putting them in cell phones, further studying should be done.

  11. Re:2 million years of evolution by cheater512 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We need to petition to get these wavelengths banned. These crazy scientists with their fancy lasers that use these dangerous frequencies must be stopped!

  12. Mock-up by Monkier · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's a quick mock-up of how it will look: http://i.imgur.com/2aA3Z.jpg

  13. Is it safe? by careysb · · Score: 4, Funny

    ZAPHOD: It’s a carbon copy of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal - or I’m a Vogon’s Grandmother! ARTHUR: The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal! Is it safe? [Sound of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal salivating] FORD: Oh Yes! It’s perfectly safe - it’s just us who are in trouble.

  14. Re:2 million years of evolution by serbanp · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is slashdot, after all. Most youngsters are already avoiding this harmful radiation by hiding in their mother's basement...

  15. Mostly Harmless by xQx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree, but we shouldn't use the name "completely safe" until it's tested and proven to be safe.

    Why don't we just all agree to call all these technologies "Mostly Harmless" until proven otherwise.

    Then there will be no confusion.

    And if there is confusion, the idiots who are confused need to learn to read, then read a good book. A good book written by Douglas Adams. Then they will understand. They will understand in exactly the same way that bricks don't.

    1. Re:Mostly Harmless by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because even that is a distortion. We should call such technologies "new" and anybody who calls them "safe" should be required to either produce evidence that says it is so or a bond that will be paid to whoever eventually suffers harm due to them.

  16. Re:Communist by anon208 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was with you up to green, but red is a menace! It's a RED menace.

  17. Medical Utility? by izomiac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a little curious about the medical uses for the technology. Terahertz EM radiation should have similar wavelengths to Ultrasound, which only penetrates a few inches and lacks resolution. It's very useful, don't get me wrong, but no replacement for X-rays, CT, or MRI (click for images of kidney stones using each modality). Plus, ultrasound is becoming even less reliable due to the obesity epidemic, as it can't penetrate a foot of fat very well. Per Wikipedia THz can penetrate low-water tissue several millimeters, which is similar to visible light seen by the unaided eye.

    Dermatologists and Dentists may find it useful, but I'm having trouble seeing the application into other medical fields. (Someone can chime in if there's something, I haven't been keeping up on it.) IMHO, it's premature to consider installing these in the clinic. Before that happens there needs to be some unique and significant benefit, which outweighs the risks, and is cost effective. Until then, keep it in the research labs where portability and miniaturization is less of an issue. We don't need technology in the clinic for technology's sake, it just drives up costs and increases wait times.

    1. Re:Medical Utility? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm missing something (or the articles are off base). Terahertz EM should have LESS penetration than ultrasound. Maybe looking at the surface of teeth would be useful, looking at everyone's subcutaneous fat, not so much.

      Anyone of the Physics persuasion care to enlighten us (so to speak)?

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  18. Well if THz radation worries you by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    Are you worried by 100 THz radiation? Because that is commonly called "light". The visible spectrum is from about 400-790 THz.

    Radiation is only ionizing, and thus cancer causing, when it is high frequency. X-rays (already in use in medicine if you didn't notice) are much higher frequency, they are past visible light, past UV.

  19. Hand-held CT scanner by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The next step, once there's terahertz scanning capability in a hand-held device, is to add an accurate short-range location system to the device. Then it becomes possible to do most of the job of a CT scanner, building up a 3D image, with a hand-held device and a lot of compute power. This will be a big win for medicine.

    It might be sufficient to put a 6-axis IMU chip in the device and use SLAM to correct for cumulative error. Then you could reference to the body being scanned, not the world coordinate system, and get clean scans even if the patient moves a little.

    A useful marketing strategy would be to deploy this first for veterinarians. This avoids many of the regulatory issues.

    1. Re:Hand-held CT scanner by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some industrial and mechanical applications might also be good early adopters. No "medical device" overhead to deal with, and a good-sized market.

  20. Re:paramedics by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Yeah. They'd be all like "Yep! That's a table lamp all right! How did he get it in THERE?"

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  21. Re:2 million years of evolution by Frisno · · Score: 5, Funny

    The dentist will allow you to opt out, in favour for a traditional cavity search.

  22. "Completely Safe", my cute lily-white ass! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is very good evidence that terahertz waves are anything but safe!

    Whereas X-rays pass through most body parts, leading to a very low rate of absorption that is also spread throughout most of the body, terahertz waves are the opposite: a minority of the radiation is reflected back to the scanner, but the majority is completely absorbed by the tissue at the depth of penetration. And because that depth is pretty specific, what you have is a very thin layer of tissue that is completely absorbing a great deal of energy from the radiation.

    If you really think about that, you will change your mind about any "completely safe" claims. We need tests and more tests and double-blind tests, before it can be declared "safe", and even then we would need to wait for a long time to rule out any possible long-term effects.

    1. Re:"Completely Safe", my cute lily-white ass! by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      You're missing the really big difference: X-rays are ionizing, terahertz radiation is not. There's a very simple solution to that problem: don't use too much power. Anyone will feel major discomfort before any sort of damage happens.

  23. Incorrect by aepervius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The radiation is too high-frequency to excite any of the electrons orbiting the atoms in the human body (which is how UV causes damage)"

    You meant too LOW frequency , as terahertz is about order of magnitude of micrometer of wavelength : it is in the infrared part of the spectra (far or near depending on how many THz we are speaking of). In fact frequency is going from very low (VHF->FIF->NIF->Visible) to very high (Blue->UV->X->Gamma). Higher frequency=High energy is bad as it can easily knock electron off orbits. Low Frequency=Low Energy less dangerous, to even inactive on our body. Which is the invert with wavelength (short wave =very dangerous , very long wave think radio BHV etc harmless). Then there is also the question of quantity, but as a rule of thumb it is enough.

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    1. Re:Incorrect by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Informative

      Crap; sorry. You got me. I would've caught that if I'd read it more carefully. You deserve some mod points for that.

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  24. I bet... by wcrowe · · Score: 2

    ...what is free at the airport will soon cost $2,000 at your doctor's office.

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