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Icelandic MP Claims US Vendetta Against WikiLeaks

Stirling Newberry writes "Icelandic MP Birgitta Jónsdóttir details more of the evidence for what she calls a 'judicial vendetta' against WikiLeaks and its volunteers, including attempts to gain access to her Twitter account. Her efforts to block the National Defense Authorization Act were discussed here previously. The story was taken up last year by Glenn Greenwald and Wired. As a result, the International Parliamentarian Union adopted a resolution on her case. What's new? She asserts that there is a grand jury investigation into WikiLeaks and related organizations, and is calling on Sweden to provide assurances that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange not be re-extradited to the U.S. She says, 'There is no doubt that the U.S. wants to get even with WikiLeaks.'"

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  1. seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they only feed the fire by going after him

    the "damage" assange did is done, and there's no way you can hide what has been revealed

    just forget about him. move on

    because all the efforts the USA goes through just feeds the myth and makes the man a hero, deservedly or not

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    1. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by oldredlion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of those who know who he is, I'd bet most think he is a rapist.

      I think that's the reason they pushed the women to bring charges - to discredit him.

    2. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only people for whom he will be a martyr are those for whom the message "we will get you" is being sent.
       
      Such as the Icelandic MP Birgitta Jonsdottir who used to be an activist working for Wikileaks, something you think an honest summary would mention.

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    3. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd bet most people don't even know who he is. Of those who know who he is, I'd bet most think he is a rapist.

      I'll agree with your first point (though most people know of "that Wikileaks guy", and some vague notion that the government has tried to frame him for something-or-other); On your second point, I have yet to meet a non-feminist who doesn't consider this a blatant attempt to destroy a random guy's life for embarrassing the US government.

      Assange may count as the worst sort of scum. I have 100% confidence he has no shot whatsoever at ever getting anything even remotely resembling a fair trial, either in Sweden or in the US.

      I only hope "we" let him go down in a Swedish court rather than one of our sham anti-terrorism tribunals - They have a hell of a lot nicer prisons than we do.

    4. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about:
      -Evidence of US soldiers murdering civilians
      -How the US was lying about keeping track of "collateral damage"
      -Proof of how the US gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait
      I'm too lazy to find links for those examples, but google should get them quickly enough.

      There are many more examples, but the point is that while previously people only had suspicions about the US's wrongdoing, now there's evidence. That's the first step in doing anything about it. The cables I'm sure have also had repercussions diplomatically, what with all the cases of US ambassadors lying through their teeth. The leaks have also taken away a lot of the US's credibility, which will probably impact them strongly in the future, especially with regards to situations like Iran, and whatnot.

    5. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      ...they only feed the fire by going after him...

      No, they're doing a very good job of distracting people from digging for any real info in all the chaff.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    6. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Martyr only happens when people care and rally behind the cause. But if everyone sees what happens and doesn't want to end up executed for sharing documents, they'll keep quiet. If it's a better deterrent than rally cry, then the US comes out ahead.

    7. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thing the biggest thing he revealed was how mundane most information truly was.. and how out of control the US 'classified by default' culture has become.

    8. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by jythie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just like that doctor who pushed fake vaccinations to find Bin Laden.. this is a classic example of where real behaviors can come back to haunt an organization. People might claim that is just a conspiracy theory that our own government would fake rape charges to discredit someone, but is exactly the type of thing the state department used to do in order to fix elections in 3rd world countries that we had economic ties to. Thus it is impossible to tell if he is actually guilty, or it is just the US government using an old (but disavowed) technique to influence public opinion on a persion... and it will probably take 100 years for the documents to be published...

    9. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You posted the other day against Assange. Obviously you have an agenda, I may have one, too. But I'm not being paid. Are you?

      Now, the US are in fact inverting History by demanding and getting a non-national to be extradited (that TV site guy from England). This is even more significant on the 4th of July. Do you thing the founding fathers (the ones who gave their blood) wanted it that way?

      And the reasons? The reasons for all that? Oil and the mythical beast called "intellectual property" -- as if one could be entitled to own any idea. Did you see the voting against ACTA on Europe? 478 to 39. Let me translate for you: that's the way you say, on political terms, "no fscking way, now go home".

      You are your country now. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and all the ol' good guys did their part and risked their lives. Were things different and they would be hung up. It was not just risky, it was noble -- even today I cannot explain to sheepish idiots why having Freedom is important. Just imagine what it was back then.

      And then, now, you get fine Politicians who do what we have seen in these last 15 or so years and people post here "many will be okay with using fake charges to get him into U.S. custody via Sweden". And guess what? I bet they're nodding and saying "Yeah", just like you (probably).

      The USA has been a great country and deserved better people than the ones it got nowadays.

    10. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by mean+pun · · Score: 2

      It's pretty obvious what crimes he committed, he's not even denying it.

      Exactly what crimes are you talking about? The rape charges he denies, and leaking secret US documents is not a crime for an Australian citizen.

    11. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by catmistake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thing the biggest thing he revealed was how mundane most information truly was.. and how out of control the US 'classified by default' culture has become.

      Well... something about some of the information sparked revolution in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya... you'd think the US would want to give Assange a medal for helping to accomplish what the secrets agencies of the West could not. And it would be great if all the US wanted was to extradite him... because the US has no legal standing to do so... is everyone forgetting about extraordinary rendition? That's what would be keeping me up nights... a bag over the head and a Polish vacation.

    12. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by lightknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nonsense. What he's pointing out is that various members of the US government are willing to sacrifice the farm for a cow, and should be taken out back and summarily executed.

      The price of finding OBL, or rather, in conducting this vaccination ruse, is already being paid; the global attempt to annihilate Polio is now in jeopardy because of it. If the history of botched American relations is anything to go by, this will come back to... inconvenience us at an ill-fated moment. And on behalf of those Americans who will be paying the price for this act of stupidity, I wish to salute all those involved for their dedication to promoting idiocy.

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    13. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Because of the leaks, I know who's bidding we'll be doing when we go to war with Iran.

    14. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by InspectorGadget1964 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A video that shows how crew of an US helicopter assassinated people is far from "mundane"

    15. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

      are you suggesting she likes it without rubber?

      She's Icelandic.......she likes it with blubber.

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    16. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Complete Nonsense. Islamics in both Nigeria and Pakistan were making up all sorts of BS before the fake vaccination program to dissuade their followers from participating in the vaccine program. With success leading to continuing polio outbreaks well before OBL's death.

      They are the only ones responsible.

    17. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by brit74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Proof of how the US gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait

      First, I didn't realize that the US-Iraq conversations, pre-1991 invasion of Kuwait was part of what Assange or Manning had in their documents. Second, it's highly misleading to say that the US gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait. The worst you can say is that the US didn't tell Iraq that they would counterattack if Saddam invaded Kuwait. More specifically, the US said it didn't have an opinion on the Iraq-Kuwait oil disputes (both countries were drawing from some of the same oil reservoirs, and were having a dispute over it). When you say the US "gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait" you make it sound like the US was all "yeah, buddy, go ahead and invade Kuwait" when that's not at all what happened.

    18. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by InspectorGadget1964 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you are killing unarmed civilians and claiming a camera is a weapon, you are committing an assassination. Any questions about that?

    19. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's pretty obvious Assange collaborated with Manning to steal secret documents.

      That's a crime for sure.

      For Manning, who was under US jurisdiction, sure.
      For Assange, who wasn't, which law, exactly did he break in this instance, under which jurisdiction?

      I know it's a right-wing American dream that US law applies to non-Americans outside the US, while US citizens are not subject to any other country's laws. It's time to wake up, because that is just a dream. In the real world, if the US wants its laws to be recognized, the US has to also recognize the law of other countries. Even when it lets people walk free.

    20. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because of the US Govt's abuse of the polio vaccination service, every NGO representative worldwide is going to be viewed as a spy for the US by anyone with half a brain. This is going to severely limit their ability to try to help people in the third world.

      It doesn't make any difference that the Islamist groups out there were already suspicious of NGO reps - the US went and confirmed their suspicions completely. This will only serve to make some people think the Islamists are right in other things they say. We should not be doing things to make them look more credible :(

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    21. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The worst you can say is that the US didn't tell Iraq that they would counterattack if Saddam invaded Kuwait. More specifically, the US said it didn't have an opinion on the Iraq-Kuwait oil disputes (both countries were drawing from some of the same oil reservoirs, and were having a dispute over it).

      US Government assured the Saddam administration they wouldn't interfere if Saddam invaded Kuwait, because "it's an internal regional matter".
      This is effectively (or at the very least indirectly) giving him a green-light.

      Geo-political events are not a game of checkers, but it is more akin to multi-dimensional chess.

    22. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by sjames · · Score: 2

      Mommy, can we play with this old shotgun?

      I don't care, do whatever.

      MOST reasonable people would say that "Mommy" gave them the green light there.

    23. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First, I didn't realize that the US-Iraq conversations, pre-1991 invasion of Kuwait was part of what Assange or Manning had in their documents

      We've had that from multiple sources before anyway.

      Second, it's highly misleading to say that the US gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait.

      It's one thing to cheer for your team but another to be blind to the fairly public stuffups of various agencies in dealing with foreign policy at the time. The USA was informed and flocks of memos about it flew like birds to the highest level but a cowardly policy meant that the President could imply agreement while still pretending he'd never heard of it. It wasn't as transparent as Ford and East Timor (in Jakarta in person accepting a donation to the Republican party the same day), but pretending that the elder Bush was too useless to be involved when his agencies were is just a bit too naive for anyone that has been seriously following US politics. When it all came out it was then clear why he continued on his golfing holiday for so long while deliberately pretending to ignore the issue. Even when he reacted he didn't do it for his country and he didn't even do it for Kuwait, he did it because the Saudis were getting nervous and convincing important donors to Bush that it would hit their bottom line.

    24. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you believe what you wrote, then I assume you also believe that the military should stop pushing the BS about how accurate it is and how well it can tell civilians from militants, and openly admit that it can't tell the difference between things like a camera and an RPG from firing range and will quite readily mow down anyone who they can't tell whether is a threat or not?

      Do you not also think that for civilians to know whether they want to endorse military action, they need to know this, and to be able to see what war is actually like than the sanitized, sterile picture presented?

      While I think Assange is an arse who's simply trying to avoid jail for crimes unrelated to his political activity, I think that in this sort of regard, Wikileaks has done a lot of good.

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    25. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. The UK lower court found, and the high court upheld, that all four counts would be illegal even under *British* law. And the accusations aren't at all like you present them.

      The allegations centre on a 10-day period after Assange flew into Stockholm on Wednesday 11 August. One of the women, named in court as Miss A, told police that she had arranged Assange's trip to Sweden, and let him stay in her flat because she was due to be away. She returned early, on Friday 13 August, after which the pair went for a meal and then returned to her flat.

      Her account to police, which Assange disputes, stated that he began stroking her leg as they drank tea, before he pulled off her clothes and snapped a necklace that she was wearing. According to her statement she "tried to put on some articles of clothing as it was going too quickly and uncomfortably but Assange ripped them off again". Miss A told police that she didn't want to go any further "but that it was too late to stop Assange as she had gone along with it so far", and so she allowed him to undress her.

      According to the statement, Miss A then realised he was trying to have unprotected sex with her. She told police that she had tried a number of times to reach for a condom but Assange had stopped her by holding her arms and pinning her legs. The statement records Miss A describing how Assange then released her arms and agreed to use a condom, but she told the police that at some stage Assange had "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing.

      When he was later interviewed by police in Stockholm, Assange agreed that he had had sex with Miss A but said he did not tear the condom, and that he was not aware that it had been torn. He told police that he had continued to sleep in Miss A's bed for the following week and she had never mentioned a torn condom.

      On the following morning, Saturday 14 August, Assange spoke at a seminar organised by Miss A. A second woman, Miss W, had contacted Miss A to ask if she could attend. Both women joined Assange, the co-ordinator of the Swedish WikiLeaks group, whom we will call "Harold", and a few others for lunch.

      Assange left the lunch with Miss W. She told the police she and Assange had visited the place where she worked and had then gone to a cinema where they had moved to the back row. He had kissed her and put his hands inside her clothing, she said.

      That evening, Miss A held a party at her flat. One of her friends, "Monica", later told police that during the party Miss A had told her about the ripped condom and unprotected sex. Another friend told police that during the evening Miss A told her she had had "the worst sex ever" with Assange: "Not only had it been the world's worst screw, it had also been violent."

      Assange's supporters point out that, despite her complaints against him, Miss A held a party for him on that evening and continued to allow him to stay in her flat.

      On Sunday 15 August, Monica told police, Miss A told her that she thought Assange had torn the condom on purpose. According to Monica, Miss A said Assange was still staying in her flat but they were not having sex because he had "exceeded the limits of what she felt she could accept" and she did not feel safe.

      The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".

      Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and

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    26. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Rei · · Score: 2

      On your second point, I have yet to meet a non-feminist who doesn't consider this a blatant attempt to destroy a random guy's life for embarrassing the US government.

      Which is really, really sad. "Famous person we like accused of rape" automatically equals "accusers are liars". It's bad enough to have anyone treat you as a liar in a rape case, which is something that always happens. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be in the crosshairs of Assange's millions of followers worldwide.

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    27. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've written about this before several times, so I don't want to have to write it all again; here's a link instead.

      And, FYI, according to the charges, the first woman told friends at the party that same night about the "violent" sex with Assange and that she didn't feel safe, then subsequently moved out of her own apartment until he left. The second woman freaked out immediately after Assange started having unprotected sex with her while she was sleeping (something she hadn't even done with her boyfriend of 2 1/2 years). They only brought *charges* after talking.

      It took me about three months before I was able to simply use the word "rape" for what happened to me. It moved from "an unwanted sexual experience" to "some of my friends tell me I should call it rape" to "rape or something like that" before I could accept just using the term. You don't want to see yourself as a victim and you don't want to empower the perpetrator. You just want to try to forget it and move on. It's only when it becomes obvious that you can't just do that that you have to face up to it. I'm still trying to deal with some of the effects, like a fear of saying no (because if you don't say no, you can't be raped... I know, that's messed up, but I'm trying to get past it, and I'm doing better).

      People have often berated me for not reporting it (like most rape victims), on the grounds that he is free and could well do it again. But that's easy to say from your ivory tower (sadly, I in the past once did the same thing to a rape victim, something I now really regret). The last thing you want is to have to relive it and have people accuse you of being a liar, a slut, etc; you just want to get on with your life and not think about it. However, if I had talked to someone a couple days after it happened and found that the same guy had just done the same thing to another girl... I don't know how that would have my altered course of actions, but it definitely would have affected me.

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    28. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by flyneye · · Score: 2

      I'd like to apologize to foreign countries for the antics of the Repubmocrat party, over the last century of so.
      They really don't represent the population being held captive and misinformed. Nor do they represent the Constitution, though they are sworn to uphold it. But then,MOST world leaders are pieces of shit anyway. Too bad for us all.

            On the other hand, there are more of us than politicians and perhaps we should schedule a worldwide "Take over everything and fix it" day.
      Sounds friendlier than " Planetwide Revolution and Mayhem". Then we can all have a beer in peace.

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    29. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by RogerWilco · · Score: 2

      Thank you for sharing this.

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    30. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Where have you been? That has been the whole of American foreign policy for decades.

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    31. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by Hatta · · Score: 2

      I have to check you there on the "right-wing" appellation, as if it's only one political party that's responsible for this blatant bit of dirty work by the US. You *are* aware of who holds power over the State Dept, the WH, the military, US intelligence agencies, etc, right?

      You are aware that Barack Obama is a center right president, right? He lies somewhere between Reagan and Nixon on the political spectrum. The country has shifted so far to the right anymore that the traditionally progressive party is more conservative than the conservatives from 50 years ago. There's really only one leftist in American government, Bernie Sanders.

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    32. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by I3OI3 · · Score: 2
      So, by that methodology, if 100% of residents supported their leader, with 50% responding, then you could scale it up to 200% of the country's citizens support their leader? I think you need to check your math a wee bit.

      If you wanted to get all statistically on it, you could leverage the response rates to create confidence intervals around the numbers, but that becomes confusing to the public at large. For what Gallup was doing here, those numbers are a good reflection of the citizen's approval rates.

    33. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      I see, so its not abusing the trust people put in doctors that is the problem, its being truthful about it that is the problem?

      Frankly, i think Doctors, of all professions, should be held to a higher standard than that. They take an oath, and to setup a clinic for the purpose of abusing trust to betray the confidentiality of their patients for ANY REASON, they are doing humanity a disservice.

      This man deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail, as does any doctor engaged in similar activities.
      Its good that this mans name has been released, and let it be a lesson to all doctors who would think to betray their patients.

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    34. Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      as hard as I am on the military and people who join it (also not a fan, on various levels), I mostly agree, but am of two minds.

      I can excuse the soldiers for being so callous and dealing with a stressful situation to the bvest of their abilities. I understand their role.

      However, they are not the only actors or the only ones with a role. I think its disgusting that situations like this come up. Situations like this are the result of war, so I think its entirely right that we see it, and that many of us have our stomachs turned by the terrible situation.

      The most vital importance is that people see war for what it really is, and hopefully, learn to support it and call for it less. Because the only way to avoid putting soldiers in those situations is to avoid what causes them.

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
  2. Iceland by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Forget Wikileaks. Let's invade Iceland.

    1. Re:Iceland by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget Wikileaks. Let's invade Iceland.

      Judging from the US embassy here, you'd think the US already did ;) It's the most paranoid place in the country. Concrete barriers in the front, armed security guards (even *pepper spray* is illegal here, the police don't even carry it**), etc. You could take all the pictures you want with a telephoto lens of any Icelandic government building, coast guard ships, etc, but if you snap a cell phone camera picture on the same street of the embassy and don't hightail it out of there, you'll be approached by the guards and they won't be happy. The embassy got in trouble about six months back for spying on all the homes and businesses in a several block radius.

      As for the concept of a Wikileaks person being in parliament, don't be shocked. Members of the Al(th)ing are mostly pretty walk-of-life people. Everyone here is connected anyway and it's all pretty casual. On 1st may, for example, I walked right into a Samfylkingin meeting from off the street and sat down a couple tables over from the prime minister (could have sat closer if I wanted to). And there were little kids running around in the room playing. People take "celebrity" and "status" in stride. The joke here is, what does an Icelander do if he sees someone famous on the street? He walks up to them and asks them if they wants *his* autograph. ;)

      Oh, and Slashdot? It's not 1992; implement proper unicode support already so that I can type a proper thorn.

      ** - Not only is pepper spray illegal, but tear gas has been used just twice in the history of the country. And people here talk about it like using it was the greatest war crime imaginable ;)

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    2. Re:Iceland by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Don't know who "we" and "you" are in this post, but Iceland is awesome. Freaking beautiful landscape, freaking beautiful skyscapes, super-creative population, great food, no summer heat, surprisingly mild winters (warmer than NYC, for example), virtually no pollution, great infrastructure compared to the population density, virtually no crowds, awesome music and party scene, a well educated and generally non-bigoted populace, clean energy, abundant volcanic hot water delivered straight to the home, etc. I love my adoptive country. :)

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  3. Rome by damicatz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US is like the modern day Roman Empire. Eventually, the rest of the world will get tired of being bullied by the US and stand up.

    1. Re:Rome by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's an interesting alternative history of the fall of the Roman Empire. What science fiction book is it from?

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    2. Re:Rome by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Roman history in science fiction?

      Foundation Trilogy, Isaac Asimov

      And yeah, pigs fly.

      http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/ ;)

    3. Re:Rome by gman003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Weird, I didn't know "the rest of the world will get tired of being bullied [...] and stand up" was synonymous with "fragment under it's own mass and economically stagnate when a system hinged on continual expansion and conquest is halted, eventually being broken by displaced tribes to the north who were themselves being pushed out by a stronger expansionistic empire, although one major fragment survived for hundreds more years before finally being conquered by yet another expansionistic empire".

    4. Re:Rome by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only difference is the Romans had a period of civilisation between their rise and fall, the US didnt.

  4. Preposterous! by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no secret grand jury investigation! I dare you to find the documentation! Besides, there's no place on the Internet where anyone could publish such a damning LEAK! No news site, message board, not even any sort of WIKI.

  5. They had to publish all by F69631 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, most of the documents weren't important and some that were should probably have stayed secret... but that means they would've had to cherry pick which documents to publish. If they'd have cherry picked, people would have said "You obviously have some agenda, as you cherry pick documents that present [entity we like] in a bad light".

    Also, by publishing everything they allow people to analyze not only what there was but also what wasn't there.

    Also, there is no way that they would've been able to know what documents were important and what not. In some countries the press cross-checked the leaked stuff with their politicians' negotiations and foreign trips, saw if their politicians' public statements matched the data found in documents, etc... but there is no way that Assange or even some major newspaper would've been able to do that all alone.

    So... yeah. I am not in the "everything government/officials do should be public" camp as I think officials should be able to do their work and have honest exchanges between each other without the press being able to take quotes out of context to produce artificial scandals... but I don't think that saying "Only x% of the published documents were important" is that good argument.

    1. Re:They had to publish all by Hentes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Before Assange went rogue, the policy of Wikileaks was to only publish material where secrecy had been misused to cover up for bad things. That's a clear policy, and any organisation accusing them of cherrypicking is free to publish the context.
      Yes, that would have meant going over all the stuff which would have taken years, and Assange didn't have the patience for that. But if he did, the papers would have had to concentrate on the truly important parts, and maybe Wikileaks wouldn't be bankrupt today.
      This releasing everything philosophy have hurted the privacy of many, and is morally questionable.

    2. Re:They had to publish all by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Yes, that would have meant going over all the stuff which would have taken years, and Assange didn't have the patience for that. But if he did, the papers would have had to concentrate on the truly important parts, and maybe Wikileaks wouldn't be bankrupt today.

      Or maybe he would've released 1 or 2 sensitive pieces of information, and the US government would've immediately persecuted him and his organization before it could release any more embarrassing stuff.

  6. Of course it's a vendetta by quixote9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    News organizations do the exact same thing -- find sources and publish their stories -- and you don't see the US gov going after the Guardian or the NYTimes. (They're some of the news outlets that did the actual publishing. Wikileaks worked through them precisely because they were trying NOT to endanger people on the ground.) The US can't go after news outlets. There's this little thing called the First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech.

    But by de facto torture of Manning and by making an example of Assange (they hope, if they can get their hands on him) they figure they can "discourage" repeat embarrassments.

    Because that's all they are: embarrassed. I didn't see anything come out we didn't already know. All Wikileaks did was provide hard evidence of the obvious.

  7. Re:Goes both ways by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He takes the view that the US is a big bully

    He and the other 5,650,000,000 people.

    and has made statements about being on a mission to stop "two wars" (i.e. the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan)

    Why would that be illegal? Publishing US secrets was not a crime for Assange because he haven't signed on the dotted line. Manning did, and he is being punished for that.

  8. Complete horseshit. by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    Complete Nonsense. Islamics in both Nigeria and Pakistan were making up all sorts of BS before the fake vaccination program to dissuade their followers from participating in the vaccine program. With success leading to continuing polio outbreaks well before OBL's death.

    You mean like Jenny McCarthy in the west on vaccines and autism? Nah, it's just those crazy mooslims that have weird ideas. But unlike McCarthy, those people in that part of the world, and not just the old men in the hills, now have a perfectly good reason to distrust vaccination programs. Because one was used as a CIA front - you know, the same organization that spent 6 years torturing people under Bush and 3 years blowing up weddings and funerals with Predator Drones under Obama.