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How a 1960s Discovery In Neuroscience Spawned a Military Project

Harperdog writes "This is pretty fascinating: The Chronicle of Higher Ed has an article about a DARPA project that allows researchers to scan satellite photos, video, etc., and have a computer pick up differences in brain activity to tell whether an image has been seen...images that might flash by before conscious recognition. From the article: 'In a small, anonymous office in the Trump Tower, 28 floors above Wall Street, a man sits in front of a computer screen sifting through satellite images of a foreign desert. The images depict a vast, sandy emptiness, marked every so often by dunes and hills. He is searching for man-made structures: houses, compounds, airfields, any sign of civilization that might be visible from the sky. The images flash at a rate of 20 per second, so fast that before he can truly perceive the details of each landscape, it is gone. He pushes no buttons, takes no notes. His performance is near perfect.'"

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  1. See, the brain is a great computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It just has a terribly documented API.

    1. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well the API has too many wrappers and obsolete interfaces to take care of.
      If we could just get that processor out of that power hungry finicky motherboard and package in glassware, and maybe hook up hundred of them...

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    2. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by lightknight · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What API? It's self-modifying software / hardware that many societies are so fed up with, they try running a virtual machine on top that does what they want it to do. That's what 12+ years of education is about, paring you down to the least common denominator, until you match a wine-drinker's normal model.

      Lower / middle / high school -> punishment before the Almighty hierarchy depending on how well you conform to your peer's standards. College / real life -> working hard at a job to earn money so you can try to retrieve the relative peace of mind you once had when people didn't expect anything of you. When you're younger, you try to grow up, to get at those privileges denied to you by your seniors, when you're older, you try to stay the same age. And when you're really old, you look forward to death as some form of rest.

      Someone, somewhere, thought that if you're borderline sentient, you wouldn't be able to be unhappy, or that you'd be so busy with trivial problems that you wouldn't get bored enough to die. Hence schools belt out kids, year after year, that appear to be successively less knowledgeable, in pursuit of some golden "Ignorance is bliss." Well, it's not. However, there are things we can do, somewhat independent of intelligence, that we can enjoy until we discover sentient life somewhere else in the universe / multiverse / whatever. My personal favorite, of course, is watching anime and reading manga, which as I am terrible at foreign languages, should keep me preoccupied with a pleasantly futile task until sometime after the last star cools. Pick a task you're not particularly good at, and stick with it; for some of us, this will be rising at an early hour, for others, this will be evolving / designing cats that yodel (going to need a Bass, a Soprano, a Falsetto...and since they're cats, getting them to do something as a group is the futile task).

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    3. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the user manual, not the API documentation. If you cannot tell the difference, hand in your geek card!

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    4. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kids on your lawn again?

    5. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by quintus_horatius · · Score: 2

      That's what 12+ years of education is about, paring you down to the least common denominator, until you match a wine-drinker's normal model.

      too bad you didn't stick to your education until the magic happens and you realize that it's teaching you how to think. You aren't born with much idea of how to use your brain. Education is the distillation of thousands of years of experience reverse-engineering the brain.

    6. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by EvolutionInAction · · Score: 5, Funny

      Doubly appropriate, since the user manual is always written after the fact, and inconsistent with the rest of the documentation.

    7. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      you want to run a Beowulf cluster?

    8. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by digitalchinky · · Score: 3, Funny

      Might be handy for deduplicating my porn collection :-)

    9. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it explains how you should use the product, with the implicit understanding that you NOT use it any other way.

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    10. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by yndrd1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      too bad you didn't stick to your education until the magic happens and you realize that it's teaching you how to think

      I think you guys are conflating 'education' with 'schooling'. "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain

    11. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by lightknight · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kids under my lawn again. They've gotten crafty.

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    12. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Hush. They told him how to think, let's see what he does with his life.

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    13. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by lightknight · · Score: 2

      And yet we have so many Walmart greeters. I take it that fact doesn't bother you.

      Now tell me that they've became Walmart greeters because they didn't learn as they were supposed to in school. Tell me it's their fault. Do it.

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    14. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2

      That of males is documented slightly better than that of females.

    15. Re:See, the brain is a great computer by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Tell me it's their fault. Do it.

      If they don't like what they are doing, then yes it's their fucking fault for not doing what it takes to change their situation. And I say this as a high school drop out who gained a BSc as a 30yo while driving taxis and supporting a family with two school age kids. I've lived in what americans call a "trailer park" and done my 15yrs of shit jobs, some of them such a "lumberjack" I enjoyed immensly, others were border line torture. I'm now in my 50's and very glad to have been taught "how to think" (or more acurately "how to learn"), it's part of me and it has changed my life over the last 20 odd years in a way that cannot bought and will not be experienced "on the job". OTOH my 15yrs in the "real world" is also part of me, a part you won't get sitting in an office or a lecture hall.

      Of course the money that comes with a degree is nice but how does one tell if they're genuinely happy or just brainwashed? I've worked with intellectually disabled people who are just pleased as punch to stand in one spot and feed timber into a molding machine for 12hrs a day. You could pay them in peanut butter sandwiches and they would still think it's a great job. They don't understand money they just want to do something useful, which is more than I can say for a lot of "normal" people. OTOH I know well educated proffesionals around my age who could easily afford to retire but don't because they enjoy what they are doing and want to remain useful for as long as they can.

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  2. Welcome to the future by tqft · · Score: 2

    and of course stuff like this & google goggles is only the beginning

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    1. Re:Welcome to the future by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Drink Coke.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, I think applications in the consumer market are not going to be wildly popular for just these reasons. But I can think of some very cool uses in the commmercial/industrial space like hands-free barcode scanning for warehouse receipting & stocktakes, or live video feeds or photos while performing repair work.

    3. Re:Welcome to the future by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google Glasses can be disguised, and roughly half the population wear some form of glasses anyway.
      No, they will not be DOA, they will be wildly successful, especially if they can be made to look like regular sunglasses or prescription glasses.

      Do you run around punching people who wear Bluetooth headsets in the ear?
       

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    4. Re:Welcome to the future by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Nah, there's far more entertaining things you can do to them. :)

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    5. Re:Welcome to the future by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Looking at someone while talking to them conveys much more information then just the speech alone. Does one person have a confused look on their face? Is the other party trying to stop you from speaking so they can ask something non-verbally? Does the other person look like they totally don't give a fuck?

      I do hope you understand the importance of nonverbal communication in conversation. Engagement is a very important part of communication, and is much of the reason why people still travel long distances to have face to face meetings in business. It's not just some people, it's most people that feel important when you look at them when you talk, especially the people that have the greatest monetary influence on your life, bosses, girlfriends, customers...

      A lot of geeks and nerds get the label, not because of their obsession with their trade, but the inability to communicate with other people properly.

      Q: How can a woman tell the difference between a geek and a jock?
      A: A jock stares at her breasts, a geek stares at her shoes.

    6. Re:Welcome to the future by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      "Do you run around punching people who wear Bluetooth headsets in the ear?"

      Do? No, not usually. Want to? Absolutely. Associate with them? Absolutely not.

      IF Google glasses can be hidden, they MIGHT sell some. That's a pretty big IF though. At least in the near future.

    7. Re:Welcome to the future by Nyder · · Score: 2

      ..

      Do you run around punching people who wear Bluetooth headsets in the ear?

      Yes I do.

      Then I say, "Can you hear me now?"

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  3. New Airport Scanner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sir, please sit down and stare at this screen for 60 seconds.

    (13.18 seconds later)

    BEEP! Warning: this person has seen pedophile material!

    After weeks of research to prove he's innocent, the man brings his family photo album in which we can see naked baby pictures that look very similar in decor, photo angle, etc.

  4. What was seen cannot be unseen. by game+kid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Things like plot and game-mechanic spoilers, shock sites, and things I'd generally rather not read or view instead burn into my brain even before I get a chance to realize what hit my eyes. Other things (however important) end up filed away in my brain's apparently vast realm of Please Jog My Memory, I Forget.

    I'm pretty sure it's normal (if not crucial for natural responses like fight-or-flight), but it still amuses me (except when it disturbs me).

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  5. Big Brother via Terry Shaivo? by Yakasha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hook up a bunch of vegges with functional visuals to city-wide cameras (or whatever venue you want to watch). Stick a wanted poster next to the screen and wait for the spike.

  6. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What happens when he blinks?

  7. Other uses for this? by silvermorph · · Score: 2

    Galaxy Zoo could possibly benefit from this tech. Or oncologists who stare at MRI images looking for tumors.

  8. Re:dude by blackest_k · · Score: 4, Informative

    The cheapest robot is the human being, and if you ever worked on a factory floor you would know that is usually true. A shift doing one simple action over and over again to the pace of a machine.

    To give one simple example a flow wrap machine for a crisp/chip factory doing a multipack. The production process is already automated as much as possible. A bulk loader trailer (a lorry trailer with a conveyor in the bottom of it feeds potato's into a flume the PLC turns the conveyor on and off as required controlling the flow of potato's into the system. the flume takes the potato's to a 3 stage peeler which are abrasive rollers with progressively finer rolls. next the grader halver
    which just passes through potato's of an appropriate size or cuts them down in size. the next stage is a number of spinning drums with razor blades which cut the chips/crisps followed by a bath to remove starch and into a fryer. On exiting the chips/crisps are run down a belt and made to jump onto a second one above this are camera's and a series of air jets the cameras are looking for burnt bits when they spot a burnt crisp the air jet blasts the burnt chip down between the 2 belts onto a cross belt and then feeds back to the first belt since the airjet will take some good chips of as well as the burn't ones so the waste is kept down. So far two people have jobs largely changing the blades on the chipper and monitoring the oven. producing about 7500kg of chips an hour.

    the next stage is to flavour stations and packing which is fed by a series of vibrating conveyors (which are stainless steel troughs not belts). At a flavour station flavouring is added and a multi-head weigher collects the chips into bins and that calculates the weights needed to get your 25g bag eg two bins have 8g and 17g so these are opened together the packets are a sheet of plastic foil which is folded and seamed and crimped and cut. the top of one bag becomes the base of the next bag and when the chips are dropped the bag isn't made until part way through the fall.

    The sealed packet then hits another conveyor which weighs the bags to check they are in specification and rejects the ones that are not (very few in practice) then either onto a rotating table where the human puts 48 in a box. or to the robot which unfolds the carton tapes it lines up 8 bags picks them up puts them in making 6 layers and seals it (if it only picks up 7 it rejects them which can be a big problem) and then the human stacks the cartons. That packing robot is an expensive piece of kit costing roughly 10 years worth of wages of a human packer, but can run 24/7 usually 24/5.

    Back to multipacks a flow wrap machine has a sectioned belt so flavour A goes in 1 flavour B in 2 and flavour C in the third. the multipack is essentially a large packet with a simpler machine feeding it. it's old technology really (you can do a similar process to making the actual bags with a bigger multihead weigher) , but to feed that machine you have a bunch of operators who just put bags into the sections pick up drop pick up drop repeat for 8 hours 5 days a week pretty mind numbing soul destroying work but it's a job. You actually automate yourself to do it, more muscle memory than thought, pacing the machine. they do at least move stations every 15 minutes but you pretty much know how many laps you do before each break and per shift.

    Thing is there are a lot of jobs like this just as soul destroying so the guy processing 5 images a second is his job any worse than this type of repetitive pick up and drop job?

    The camera system on the crisp line essentially identifies black pixels and uses that to determine when product is burnt, a steam peeler (super heated steam blasts new potato's for about 30 seconds) uses a similar camera system to identify potato's with skin still attached. again its dark where it should be light. Systems maybe are better at recognising features these days but it always will be hard, maybe detecting a human detecting a feature is easier, does it have to be h

  9. Re:See (ha) THIS is what should've been in the Mat by jkflying · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the original script the Matrix was actually *run* on the human brains, but execs thought that would be too complicated for the masses, so they changed it to 'harness the electrical and heat energy'. Which makes no sense, as electric eels would have been a much better candidate than keeping around a possibly hostile, intelligent race.

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