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Icelandic Court Rules: Wikileaks Will Get Contributed Credit Card Money
New submitter mordur writes "An Icelandic District Court has ordered the payment processing company Valitor to immediately reopen the merchant account (Icelandic original) of DataCell and start processing credit card payments for the Wikileaks organization. Noncompliance on behalf of Valitor will result in daily fines of ISK 800.000 (approx. USD 60.000). Under pressure from the USA based international credit card companies, Valitor stopped all service to DataCell, and thus to Wikileaks, just hours after having started processing payment in July 2011. The court found that Valitor had failed to prove that the processing of payments for Wikileaks was contrary to the business policies of the international credit card companies, nor had the company proved that DataCell was in breach of the service agreement between the companies by serving Wikileaks."
European countries always seem to have the most common sense in their rulings. USA is out of reality and Asia keeps to their own stuff. EU shines.
I think we should let the US companies and government to know that they can't do shit like this to us Europeans by banning Visa, Mastercard and Google from operating in Europe. Remember, we do have our own credit card processing networks too - lets use them instead. That way your privacy is better too, as your data isn't handed to US companies and therefore US government has no access to them.
Try 60,000/day. Many european countries use the "." as a thousands separator rather than a ",".
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You forgot a zero, but it's a pretty light punishment. I mean... all they need to do is spend about $30 and get two PLEXes and sell those for about 800,000,000 ISK. That'll keep the fines going for 1,000 days so it works out to about $0.03 USD per day.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
It's supposed to be 60,000... some places and people have something against using commas to represent thousand separators.
Why does the court want the fines in Interstellar Kredits?
Most sane people use " " as a thousand separator or nothing at all. Dots and commas are almost acceptable as a millions separator since thats unlikely to be comfused as a decimal point.
The first thing I thought when I saw the amount they would be fined was "600 thousand ISK is chump change. I could make 50 million in an hour, no problem."
The 2008 crisis hacked them worse than the USA and Europe. Now, 4 years later, they are riding high, and Europe and the USA are still muddling through. How? Why?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/world/europe/icelands-economy-is-mending-amid-europes-malaise.html?pagewanted=all
We, in Europe, and the USA, have much to learn from Iceland about how to survive a crippling financial crisis.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Valitor has a choice. Suicide by disconnecting from the international market, or suicide it's way out of of Iceland and exit their market. I wonder how many payment processing companies will be destroyed by the court before Iceland realizes just how dumb this court order is?
no court order originally?
I wasn't paying attention when they got banned, but was under the impression that there was at least one court somewhere that had banned them from receiving the money, because otherwise visa/amex/etc are targets to be sued ? sure, they're private organizations.. but they're let to move money only because governments let them and usually that includes that they don't discriminate randomly - which is why these participant organizations are under stress to be fined if they don't comply.
I guess that shows to Valitor & other regional processors that they'd better ask for the fucking permits and court orders first, like nz cops.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
From my country, I mean. I don't live in Iceland.
More like $6000 unfortunately:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=800000&From=ISK&To=USD
ISK is about 200 to the pound...
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Eat that, fascism!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
after they stood up to the bankers shakedown during the financial crash i have nothing but respect for iceland!
This will just mean they will be cut off from the world financial processing system. If they start accepting these payments, the VISA network, for example, will just drop them as a provider. The other networks will as well, and you can count the truly international ones on one hand. As someone said above, it's financial suicide for Valitor.
Just because I can hook a shark from a boat, I do no offer to wrestle it in the water.
O'doyle rules
It's a fact that the US has targeted anyone who contributes to Assange, Manning or Wikileaks. They mess with you at the borders, taking your stuff away and questioning you, making it damned clear that you are their bitch for the rest of your life.
So how do we help Assange, Wikileaks and Manning without effectively losing citizenship? I am not overstating this. They will fuck with you for the rest of your life, in countless ways, untraceable to them. And no court will stop them, given that they don't give a fuck what the courts think. Secret police don't have rules.
Iceland did, very recently discuss switching their currency to the Canadian dollar.
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will start making an impact.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
A large part of the European processing network is run by a subsidary of US Bank.
Guess where they're from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elavon
Closer to $6,000 actually. Iceland follows the "Screw decimals. Let's just use whole numbers" philosophy of currency and 1 ISK is about 0.78 cents USD.
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I sent Bitcoins. You can request anonymously a one-time address to sent to. Fuck the card companies, PayPal and the rest.
Prepaid credit cards. In the US, you can get non-refillable prepaid credit cards for cash. Buy one and use it to donate.
No big deal, they'll probably just plex to get the ISK.
The whole world must bow down in fear & awe of the brutal, violent, omnipresent, colonial power that the USA has become!
The UK has caved, Sweden has caved, only one tiny South American country hasn't!
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
Wow that's sounds complex. So some countries in Europe would write that as 60","000 ? A lot of extra bits, but I can see it has a sort of graphical appeal.
Let companies serve who they want to serve. Those who cater to everyone will probably do better. It's the basis of freedom and market competition.
There are endless numbers of companies who can process credit cards, and many of them will pay Wikileaks. Use the companies you like and don't use the companies you don't like. It's much more effective then taking them to court to force them to take your money.
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It does make it difficult to miss the point. ;)
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..leaving happy!
They're dumb enough in the rank-and-file to believe the rhetoric and ignore the fact that every single change they're being asked to support will move the money and power from the government elite to the ogliarchy elite, with the difference being that they have no right to vote in the ogliarchs.
Iceland's judicial system is a joke. It is not even as advanced as the judicial system in Texas, arguably one of the worst places in America.
I dare anyone to actually provide the actual judicial opinion. Can't find it? I'll give you a hint: it doesn't exist.
Iceland's jurisprudence, like its history, is nothing but folklore, myth, and rumor.
It's because the comma is the decimal separator.
Which makes more sense. Ask yourself this: what's the more important thing for your eye to catch, where thousands/millions/billions breaks, or where the decimal is? (I think almost anyone would respond "where the decimal is"). Now ask yourself, "which is a larger and more visible character, "," or "."?
sed "s/SJW.*$/... never mind. I was about to say something stupid, and also, I'm a troglodyte./Ig"