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Icelandic Court Rules: Wikileaks Will Get Contributed Credit Card Money

New submitter mordur writes "An Icelandic District Court has ordered the payment processing company Valitor to immediately reopen the merchant account (Icelandic original) of DataCell and start processing credit card payments for the Wikileaks organization. Noncompliance on behalf of Valitor will result in daily fines of ISK 800.000 (approx. USD 60.000). Under pressure from the USA based international credit card companies, Valitor stopped all service to DataCell, and thus to Wikileaks, just hours after having started processing payment in July 2011. The court found that Valitor had failed to prove that the processing of payments for Wikileaks was contrary to the business policies of the international credit card companies, nor had the company proved that DataCell was in breach of the service agreement between the companies by serving Wikileaks."

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  1. Good decision by Icelandic court by ACTA+sucks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    European countries always seem to have the most common sense in their rulings. USA is out of reality and Asia keeps to their own stuff. EU shines.

    I think we should let the US companies and government to know that they can't do shit like this to us Europeans by banning Visa, Mastercard and Google from operating in Europe. Remember, we do have our own credit card processing networks too - lets use them instead. That way your privacy is better too, as your data isn't handed to US companies and therefore US government has no access to them.

    1. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by Maquis196 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well it's not all milk and honey over here. Our airlines ARE supposed to give data to the US government if the airline has anything to do with America. I'm in the UK and were bow down to most US requests for people or information.

      Iceland isn't EU (although they are attempting to join afaik), they just happen to be an awesome country that seems to care about such things. They must have been doing a good job, my goverment called them terrorists once for letting their banks fail (oh no, not the banks!).

      This might have been feeding a troll but wanted to set a small record straight :)

    2. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah the bank thing was hilarious.

      "We demand the government reimburse us for the money held in failed Icelandic banks!"

      "Why? the debt was not backed by the full faith and credence of the government; that's why the interest rates were so high"

      "HERP DERP I DON'T CARE GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY!"

    3. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Iceland actually totally fucked up at banking not so long ago. However, that may have actually had a salubrious effect. In the US and EU, the fuckuppery of the banking sector has been massive; but small enough that shovelling bushels of money at the people responsible can be advanced as a 'reasonable' proposal. In the case of Iceland, the scale of the meltdown of the imaginary money economy was so enormous that even the most overtly delusional had difficulty advocating the 'just bail out the Experienced Experts who got us here' theory of repair...

    4. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by SteveFoerster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't get me wrong, I love Iceland, but I believe that the world's oldest democracy is San Marino, which has been a republic since its founding in A.D. 301.

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    5. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      A bunch of banks that happened to be in Iceland, but not backed by the government, made some promises they couldn't keep. A lot of people, mostly in the UK, fell for those promises, and when everything went belly up they demanded that the Icelanders make good on them, which would have essentially bankrupted the country. The Icelanders felt that wasn't fair, and had the wherewithal to tell the banks, the investors, and the countries that were backing them, to go to hell.

    6. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Scandinavian peninsula is in Europe, it consists of Sweden, most of Norway and some parts of Finland. Iceland is an island in the middle of Atlantic ocean which is halfway split between European and American plates.

    7. Re:Good decision by Icelandic court by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's nothing wrong with backing banks as long as all we do is keep them from taking their depositors down with them.

      The problem with the US system is that we prop up zombies that don't deserve to stay in business.

      But protecting innocent depositors is a good thing.

  2. Iceland, for the win by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 2008 crisis hacked them worse than the USA and Europe. Now, 4 years later, they are riding high, and Europe and the USA are still muddling through. How? Why?

    For a country that four years ago plunged into a financial abyss so deep it all but shut down overnight, Iceland seems to be doing surprisingly well.

    It has repaid, early, many of the international loans that kept it afloat. Unemployment is hovering around 6 percent, and falling. And while much of Europe is struggling to pull itself out of the recessionary swamp, Iceland’s economy is expected to grow by 2.8 percent this year. ...

    But during the crisis, the country did many things different from its European counterparts. It let its three largest banks fail, instead of bailing them out. It ensured that domestic depositors got their money back and gave debt relief to struggling homeowners and to businesses facing bankruptcy.

    “Taking down a company with positive cash flow but negative equity would in the given circumstances have a domino effect, causing otherwise sound companies to collapse,” said Thorolfur Matthiasson, an economics professor at the University of Iceland. “Forgiving debt under those circumstances can be profitable for the financial institutions and help the economy and reduce unemployment as well.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/world/europe/icelands-economy-is-mending-amid-europes-malaise.html?pagewanted=all

    We, in Europe, and the USA, have much to learn from Iceland about how to survive a crippling financial crisis.

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    1. Re:Iceland, for the win by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Informative

      We, in Europe, and the USA, have much to learn from Iceland about how to survive a crippling financial crisis.

      Yeah, like NOT putting the very people responsible for the bank's failures in powerful government positions.

      Obama Administration: Deputy Director, National Economic Council
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: Financial Analyst

      Obama Administration: Chairman, Presidentâ(TM)s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman, 1990-94; Director, 2005-)

      Obama Administration: Commissioner, Commodity Futures Trading Commission
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance

      Obama Administration: Undersecretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs Group

      Obama Administration: Ambassador to Germany
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: Head of Goldman Sachs, Frankfurt

      Obama Administration: Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geitner
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: Lobbyist 2005-2008; Vice President for Government Relations

      Obama Administration: Advisor to Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geitner
      Former Goldman Sachs Title: President and Chief Operating Officer (1999-2003)

      They should just change the name from the "White House" to "Goldman Sachs House". Yeah, I'm sure they'll do the right thing to protect regular US taxpayers.

      Strat

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