Chicken Vaccines Combine To Produce Deadly Virus

stoilis sends this quote from an article at Science: "Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."

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[the eric conspiracy]

The anti vaccine people will just make up stuff if there aren't enough news stories.

The latest one I read is that polio isn't caused by a virus; it's the result of pesticides. The polio vaccine is just a giant conspiracy. And oh yeah the smallpox vaccine had nothing to due with the eradication of smallpox. Complete nutcases.

In the case of the chickens I am sure that the Aussie Dept of Agriculture will be more care to sequence these things in the future.

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[cpu6502]

Yeah I don't buy that argument. If I am immunized from polio, what do I care if the unvaccinated idiot gets it? The disease doesn't affect me.

And if I'm on those who, like the bubble boy, can't develop immunities then that's MY problem to deal with. I still don't have a right to force someone to stick foreign substances into their body via injection. I am not their master and they are not my serf.

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[7-Vodka]

The vaccines protect against specific strains of virus. If another viral agent comes along and incorporates either, or both, strains into its genetic makeup and produces a viable virus, it is now transmissible whether the host is immunized or not.

This is actually not true. If the exposed proteins in the new strain display functional similarities to the original strain then there may be immune response. Also, I don't think you understand the factors governing transmissibility.

Immunization may have provided the raw materials, but the product, once manufactured, no longer requires them.

Again, you're making assumptions here.

So if you forego immunization, you're vulnerable to all the strains the immunizations would have protected you against, as well as the new strain.

Vaccination != immunization. Also the fact that someone is not immune to a strain does not mean they will ever be exposed to it, while vaccinating guarantees exposure to whatever crap is in the vaccine.

So the anti-vaxxer is not only reducing herd immunity to the strains we can protect against, but also still just as vulnerable to the new virus.

You're making a lot of assumptions here. Also we're talking about chickens here and the best solution to prevent infections, proven time and time again, is to quarantine sick animals. The fact that they grow them in horrible conditions and don't even bother to check which ones are sick and quarantining them... Really it should be illegal to keep animals in these conditions and feed them high quantities of antibiotics, not only is that not a solution but it produces antibiotic resistance that do jump across species of bugs.

The only people who should be opting out of vaccines are those whose vaccination is counter-indicated due to a bona fide medical condition.

Again you're making a lot of assumptions here.

1. There are vaccines that are ineffective.
2. There are vaccines that require many shots before immunization can be acquired.
3. There are vaccines for illnesses that you're not likely to come into contact with.
4. There are vaccines for illnesses that don't have serious consequences for you.
5. There are vaccines from manufacturers that have been caught in the past falsifying safety or efficacy data.
6. There are vaccines from manufacturers who can't follow basic good manufacturing practices.
7. Then there are vaccines where the risk of the vaccine, IE frequency x severity, is greater than the risk of the illness.

   If you aren't one of those people, and you refuse vaccination, your ass should be deported or jailed, as you pose a clear and present threat to public health -- you're in the same category to me as drunk drivers.

   Actually, I believe that it's people like you who pose a clear and present danger to public health AND liberty. You're so blinded and ignorant that you refuse to understand the obvious fact in front of your face that vaccinations are medical procedures and as such have a risk / benefit analysis that must be performed by the doctor and the patient before administering them.

   I also believe that medical procedures should always be left up to the discretion of the people who will be undergoing them and not in the hands of hysterical fuckers like you.