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High Security Handcuffs Opened With 3D-Printed and Laser-Cut Keys

Sparrowvsrevolution writes "In a workshop Friday at the Hackers On Planet Earth conference in New York, a German hacker and security consultant who goes by the name 'Ray' showed that he could open high-security handcuffs from manufacturers Chubb and Bonowi with plastic copies of keys that he cheaply produced with a laser-cutter and a 3D printer. Both companies attempt to control the distribution of their keys to keep them exclusively in the hands of authorized buyers such as law enforcement. Lasercut plexiglass versions of the Chubb key, which opens handcuffs like the ones used in passenger airline restraints, were selling for $4 at the conference. Ray plans to post the CAD file for the key on the 3D printing site Thingiverse after LockCon later this week."

202 comments

  1. Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mcgyver used a bar of soap and a file to copy keys. Color me unimpressed.

    1. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      MacGyver (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088559/). Not offensive to some, but the difference between a Mc and a Mac is like calling a Suni a Shiite to others.

    2. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Suni a Shiite to others"

      ...which, is a bad thing, I guess??

    3. Re:Mcgyver by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      I've successfully copied a few keys (different types but common) using a Xerox copy of the key, some tape, cardboard, an exacto knife, and a key copying machine - simply tape xerox of key to cardboard, cut out carefully with exacto knife, run result thru key duplicator..

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    4. Re:Mcgyver by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      Oh yes, if you get your timing wrong. It's very similar to the Catholic/Protestant schism, which is in turn related to the differences in Mc/Mac, which is an Irish Gaelic v Scots Gaelic thing. Sort of. It's pretty blurred these days though, I've never heard anyone get upset about it. [/scottish]

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    5. Re:Mcgyver by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if the laser was on a shark?

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    6. Re:Mcgyver by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      And neither will take kindly to being called MacGruber.

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    7. Re:Mcgyver by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      They will forgive you if you hand them a bottle of fine single malt Irish whiskey though.

      I'm taking the Irish or Scotts... I'm certain the middle eastern fellows will cut off your head for offering them booze.

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    8. Re:Mcgyver by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mcgyver used a bar of soap and a file to copy keys. Color me unimpressed.

      Ok, you're colored. But what's this? Suddenly you're pulled over and in need of a handcuff key.

    9. Re:Mcgyver by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      They would probably rip your throat out.

    10. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, no it's not. I'm irish, as in grew up there and you won't find a soul north or south who would be offended if you got MacGyver's names wrong. But good job trying to justify being a smug internet pillock.

    11. Re:Mcgyver by Smallpond · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? I've tried using an actual key and a key duplicator and it still doesn't work half the time. Tolerances are really tight on good locks.

    12. Re:Mcgyver by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

      Well played.

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    13. Re:Mcgyver by jaymemaurice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since most locks use standard tubler sizes, the key code (tubler measurements) can be determined from a photograph of the keys and then cut from the keycode

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    14. Re:Mcgyver by zedrdave · · Score: 2

      You mean, like the difference between using a word and its abbreviation?

    15. Re:Mcgyver by davester666 · · Score: 1

      > I'm certain the middle eastern fellows will cut off your head for offering them booze.

      Of course, right after he kills you, he'll take the bottle home and drink it.

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    16. Re:Mcgyver by quadrox · · Score: 1

      Most epic post on slashdot in a long time. If you weren't already at +5 I'd mod you up.

    17. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean:

      I'm taking the Irish or Scottish ...
      or
      I'm taking the Irish or Scotch ...

      depending on the exact contents of the ellipsis.

    18. Re:Mcgyver by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      So an order of Irish Car Bombs for all? /I wish I could accurately describe the faces in that bar when I saw some obviously ignorant college students on vacation order that drink combo.

    19. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor me (Irish).

      Mac (or Mc) means son of...

    20. Re:Mcgyver by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Copy me up a key for the cable ties that it seems like 9 outa 10 cops use now, at the arrest.
      A cuff key doesn't do much good when I have door locks to get through too, later at the station.
      Who says geeks don't like drinking and fighting?

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    21. Re:Mcgyver by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      Unless it's mead, possibly. A Muslim friend of mine reckons there's a loophole in the sections of the Qu'ran banning alcohol in that it specifically bans fermented grasses/grains or fruit, so being honey based mead is fair game. He's not tried it because he believes it's still against the general spirit of the religion.

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    22. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot mods disguised racism +5 funny...

      News at 11.

    23. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its true, I get so pissed off when I hear the damn niggers talking about going to "macdonalds". There is no fucking A between the m and the c you dumb fucking niggers!!!!

    24. Re:Mcgyver by swb · · Score: 3, Funny

      The real hard part is doing any of that with a broom handle sticking out of your ass.

    25. Re:Mcgyver by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Mcgyver used a bar of soap and a file to copy keys. Color me unimpressed.

      Ok, you're colored. But what's this? Suddenly you're pulled over and in need of a handcuff key.

      Since he's unimpressed, one can deduce that he had already had a key when he was being cuffed.

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    26. Re:Mcgyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably have one already. A pin or knife (pin to remove like it's a key, or knife just to cut them off).
      Ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BSxRxugTc

    27. Re:Mcgyver by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Oddly, here there is the possibility of doing any of that with a deputy sticking out your ass. http://www.kansas.com/2012/06/12/2370745/allegation-of-sedgwick-county.html My concern is validish...

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    28. Re:Mcgyver by flyneye · · Score: 1

      In theory anyway, I mean actually under duress.

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    29. Re:Mcgyver by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the problem in your equation is not the key, the blank, or the duplicator, but rather the operator.

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  2. "cheaply produced" by Narrowband · · Score: 1

    Materials might be cheap, but if it requires both a laser cutter and a 3d printer, that's not exactly what I'd call cheap to produce.

    1. Re:"cheaply produced" by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, $4 is cheap enough.

    2. Re:"cheaply produced" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you actually read the article, you'll find that he produced keys with a laser cutter and separately with a 3D printer. You don't need both.

    3. Re:"cheaply produced" by nighthawk243 · · Score: 2

      Well... if you peddle those keys to people in the hood, you'll make a few bucks pretty quick to pay for the machine and probably turn a profit.

    4. Re:"cheaply produced" by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      But you don't have to buy them. There's a Fablab around a lot of corners today.

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  3. see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    See, that's why they should simply use magical warding and locking spells. Then anyone trying to escape would have to get a really lucky die roll to overcome the caster level of the original lock spell.

    1. Re:see by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, but what if i'm carrying plastic keys AND a loaded D20? What will you do then?

    2. Re:see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A loaded d20? Blasphemy!

    3. Re:see by azalin · · Score: 1

      Use a loaded 9mm? Or maybe a Taser, less messy if you are already in the car...

    4. Re:see by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      If I see you carrying around a loaded D20, I'm going to assume that I'm either dreaming or high.

    5. Re:see by dintech · · Score: 1

      What will you do then?

      I put on my robe and my wizard hat

  4. identical? by Dthief · · Score: 1

    are all of their keys identical?

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    1. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i suppose that would depend on your definition of identical

    2. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called mass production. Produce everything the same and it costs less. They probably match perfectly. The question is does it matter? As long as people can't get out easily (and who is going to have one of these things on them when they get busted?) does it matter if the public has copies? I doubt it. It's not like these things are impossible to get out of if you know what you are doing. The other thing is cops pat people down for a reason. If you got keys they will probably find them.

    3. Re:identical? by Zaelath · · Score: 2

      It's pretty standard to have identical cuff keys... the guard opening them after you go into the cell is unlikely to be the arresting officer that put them on you.

      I guess the issue here is they at least need something like a magnetic component to be somewhat secure, but I imagine there's actually very little you can do to make a lock that's immune to being defeated if you have infinite prep time.

    4. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Did you read the article? All handcuff keys for a certain brand are identical. That is to allow one officer to handcuff a suspect and any other officer to remove the cuffs. The issue is that the arresting officer may not be anywhere around when the suspect needs to be uncuffed as the suspect may have been passed on for transport. This is the way handcuff keys work. Manufacturers are now trying to restrict the possession of keys by being selective to whom they sell. The printer/laser cutter method of making keys now makes this effort useless.

    5. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Informative

      It has nothing to do with mass production. The reason is so that any officer can open any other officer's cuffs and time is lot lost trying to find the arresting officer and sorting out who owns which cuffs..

    6. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...It's not like these things are impossible to get out of if you know what you are doing...

      That would be the rub. They are quite hard to defeat compared to normal cuffs. Having an interest in the lockpicking community I can say hardly the top 5% of them could get out of these with improvised tools. Making a tool out of scrap bits of plastic makes them easy for anyone to get out of.

      Anything a laser-cutter or 3D printer can do so can a human, especially locksmiths with an eye for detail. The skills are not dissimilar to watchmakers before precision machine tools. These new methods makes anyone of no skill and no talent be able to do what only highly trained, highly practiced people can do. That is a security threat.

    7. Re:identical? by smart_ass · · Score: 5, Informative

      There have been commercially available disguised handcuff keys for a long time.
      This one isn't terrible, but not the best I have seen either.

      http://theawesomer.com/bracelet-with-handcuff-key/144904/

      Note: The people most likely to want to get away after being apprehended are both guilty AND repeat offenders. The second factor being a group that might have the foresight to wear such a thing.

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    8. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither is his. They only let him catch.

    9. Re:identical? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Seemed like a dumb strategy anyway - a combination of artificial scarcity and security-by-obscurity. It isn't like the keys look particularly complex. In the 'olden days' somebody could have just created a mold and cast them or machined a copy. The laser cutter / 3D printer is just the modern twist.

      A pair of bolt cutters also works in a pinch.

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    10. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No matter how complex the key bolt cutters usually work but it is rather difficult to conceal a set of bolt cutters big enough to do the job on one's person and bolt cutters that large are not all that common. Hand cuff components are made of hardened steel and a small set will not work.

      Hand cuffs are and never have been completely secure. They are more secure than the cuffs that have been around for years as those keys are very common now but they are less secure than hoped.

      There used to be one key that would open every handcuff in current use. Now there are at least three different ones. Even this makes things more secure as the suspect has to have at least three keys to ensure escape. Three keys are much more difficult to conceal than one. Officers can easily carry three keys on their key ring. It is not about making escape impossible; just more difficult.

    11. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Note: The people most likely to want to get away after being apprehended are both guilty AND repeat offenders. The second factor being a group that might have the foresight to wear such a thing.

      Wrong. I want to get away after being apprehended illegally.

      You know--if the police decide to kidnap and beat me....or just beat the shit out of me while other offices stand by and watch^H^H^H^Hfigure out their cover stories....Maybe they'll just handcuff you and take you back to their torture chair to let you die...or your baby.

      Maybe you should do nothing. You'll get your day in court, right? I mean--this is the United States of America where we have due process and a fair trial. The government would never fuck with that perfect system.
      Resist. Always resist.

    12. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A few years ago someone arrested in Tampa had a key in their back pocket, not found during the frisk, and managed to get loose and killed 3 cops. Not saying its common, but your impossible situation has happend in the recent past with the worst possible outcome. The criminal always carried the key with him anticipating trouble with police.

      http://tampabayonline.net/reports/shooting/carrday2.htm

    13. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(and who is going to have one of these things on them when they get busted?)"

      The word you're looking for is 'criminals'. They even sometimes use masks in advance, so people don't recognize them if they get surprised. It's called 'preparation for the job'.

    14. Re:identical? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      And thanks to NDAA, they don't have to do any of that anymore.

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    15. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for destroying half of the links in your post. Well, at least you didn't reach the character limit...

    16. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WTF is wrong with normal URLs people?!
      If you want me to follow a link then post the orignal link.

    17. Re:identical? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So for the sake of convenience, they made the keys identical and therefore not secure. Same as any other security system: convenience and security are incompatible goals.

    18. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you open the handcuffs and then provide justification to the offending officer to continue?

    19. Re:identical? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      No matter how complex the key bolt cutters usually work but it is rather difficult to conceal a set of bolt cutters big enough to do the job on one's person and bolt cutters that large are not all that common. Hand cuff components are made of hardened steel and a small set will not work.

      Nonsense. Bolt cutters are just large because they use a simple lever to generate the force needed to cut through hardened steel. You could replace them with a small box with a hand crank and multiplier worm gear attached to the cutting teeth. Turn the crank a lot to move the cutting teeth a little. Same effect.

      Lever-based bolt cutters are just easier to make and quicker to operate, and there is little to no legitimate market for a set of bolt cutters you can hide. But that doesn't mean someone couldn't custom-make a small cranked bolt cutter.

    20. Re:identical? by donaldm · · Score: 1

      are all of their keys identical?

      Considering the article is about cracking high security handcuffs the easiest way of getting out them is some C4 or just a plain sharp knife assuming you don't really care about the person you are trying to get out of the handcuffs :)

      Actually the sharp knife is the cheapest method but the cost of hand reattachment surgery won't be cheap unless you are one of those people who have an eye-patch have a long haired white cat :)

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    21. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Your first reference about being kidnapped is complete allegation where nothing has been proven, the officers have not been charged or gone to court. Perhaps it was fabricated to throw suspicion on the officers?
      Your second reference to "beat the shit out of" which at most was slapped in the face four times with an open hand. No medical attention was given or required. Try reading the whole article.
      Your third reference to a "torture chair" is about a restrain device used to control suspects who do not follow instructions or who may harm themselves. They are always videoed while in the chair and there are limits to how long they can be there at a stretch.
      Here is a quote from a report of an interview as the mother of the deceased baby left the jail;

      She said all week long she asked to be placed in the infirmary or see a doctor but she said that didn't happen.
      She said she wasn't feeling well and began cramping in her cell.
      Deshawn Balka said she went to the bathroom and she said that's when she had her baby in the toilet, thinking she was having a bowel movement.

      So a woman with cramps who has been complaining all week thinks she is having a bowel movement but gives birth. Please note that nowhere did she state that she called out to jail staff for help.

      None of your quoted articles have gone to court and are, at this point, allegations. It seems strange that the same people who insist on calling people caught in the act "suspects" are also the same people that believe every allegation against the police. Sure there are some bad officers but there are also some people who try to make the police look bad.

      And finally nowhere in the "Always Resist" article is there any advice to resist the police. Read the article.

      Considering how little you actually read in any of these articles I will "consider the writer" when I decide to take the advice. My opinion based on evidence gleaned from actually reading the quoted articles and other related articles is that the writer is a sensationalist who had no regard for facts.

    22. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      A saw as you suggest would be a few cubic inches in volume and would easily be found in a pat down. Have you heard of anyone cutting handcuffs with such a device? Perhaps it is because concealing such a device would be impossible. Even though it is smaller than 18" bolt cutters it is still much larger than a key.

    23. Re:identical? by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Why does my eye patch have a cat? I know cats own you, but my possessions? Mwahahaha

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    24. Re:identical? by azalin · · Score: 2

      Well you could produce handcuffs were the wearer would be unable to reach the lock, key or no key. The would probably be larger than the standard model though.

    25. Re:identical? by fatphil · · Score: 2

      Has the concept of handing keys over when you hand a prisoner over never occured to them? Why does the arresting officer need his keys if he doesn't have his cuffs any more? Hand them over, and then just check out a new matching set from the duty officer next time you leave the building.

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    26. Re:identical? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully nobody ever loses that globally unique key to your handcuffs...

      Or they could just use zip ties, which cost less, weigh less, go on easier and don't need keys at all.
      =Smidge=

    27. Re:identical? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Straw man. Unless you can find the phrase "globally unique" in my post. And even then, you appear to have forgotten about the possibility for master keys.

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    28. Re:identical? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      : The people most likely to want to get away after being apprehended are both guilty AND repeat offenders.

      Guilty of peaceable assembly and repeated dissent. There's nothing wrong with unarresting the wrongfully arrested.

      Remember, the police aren't here to protect you. They're here to protect the ultra rich from you. Anything that tips the power balance away from the cops, also tips the balance away from the oligarchy. This is a good thing.

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    29. Re:identical? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      For starters, kicking out "strawman" as a rebuttal when it clearly is nothing of the sort just makes you look like a dunce. "Globally" does not need to apply to the entire planet... but even if you drop the world "globally" my point still stands: If there is only one key in the whole {world | country | department} to unlock your handcuffs, you are in trouble if they go missing.

      If you have a master key, then your entire point is moot because someone could just copy the master key. You're right back at square one except now it's all more expensive to implement because you have to manage and track unique as well as master keys.

      The problem is not with the keys themselves, it's with the necessity of balancing ease of use and safety with adequate security. More secure makes them less safe, more safe makes them less secure. Keys are simply a poor solution to the problem, but that's not the key's fault.
      =Smidge=

    30. Re:identical? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      a hand crank and multiplier worm gear

      The teeth of the worm gear would need to be quite big to avoid breaking off by the force needed. Which implies the whole thing would need to be big. Too big to conceal.

    31. Re:identical? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Has the concept of handing keys over when you hand a prisoner over never occured to them? Why does the arresting officer need his keys if he doesn't have his cuffs any more? Hand them over, and then just check out a new matching set from the duty officer next time you leave the building.

      You must be new to this world.

      See, in this world, when you have jobs that require small parts to be kept with the larger part, and you need to hand those off between people, shit is going to get lost.

      In other words, the cops are busy doing stuff, trying to remember to keep a set of keys with each pair of handcuffs is going to be impossible. They will still require a master key for when the other keys get lost (which will happen all the time), or they will have to destroy them to remove them, which will cost even more to replace.

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    32. Re:identical? by subreality · · Score: 1

      It's secure against its intended threat: some guy you just arrested and frisked (and who therefore probably doesn't have a key). The slightly more complicated key isn't to prevent duplicates from being made. It's to prevent the arrestee from picking up a paperclip from the gutter and getting free.

    33. Re:identical? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      > For starters, kicking out "strawman" as a rebuttal when it clearly is nothing of the sort

      It was a textbook straw man. End of. Rest of post not even read.

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    34. Re:identical? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Translation: "I can't counter any of your points so I'm going to nerdrage instead."

      Good for you.
      =Smidge=

    35. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      Zip ties cost less the first 30 times they are used but after that they cost more. A set of handcuffs can last years. Say someone arrests 100 people a year and cuffs last 10 years. If one used zip ties it would cost around 10*100*2= $2000 or $60 for a set of steel cuffs.

      The other issue is the zip ties can be cut on any sharp edge or broken by a strong and/or drugged up person.

    36. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      A few points;
      1. Some departments have common cuffs so the officer drops off a suspect in cuffs, grabs another set of cuffs and leaves. Since he already has keys for the cuffs there is no problem.
      2. In a large department there are thousands of sets of cuffs. If each cuff had unique keys that would be cutting keys constantly because keys get lost.
      3. In a large holding facility there can be hundreds of suspects/inmates. Just try to keep track of who has which cuffs and find the keys when cuffs have to come off quickly due to a medical emergency.
      4. Sometimes prisoner transport is not so simple as arresting officer to jail. Sometimes it is arresting officer to transport officer to intake officer to investigating officer to jail custodian. If at every stage keys would have to be passed there is a possibility of the wrong key being passed. For example the transport officer may be driving a bus with 20 suspects and may need to keep track of 20 different keys.

      Please think about what can go wrong when thinking up solutions.

    37. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      A master key is exactly what they are using right now. In fact all officers have a master key.

    38. Re:identical? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > are all of their keys identical?

      For any given model, yes. And yes, that's a rather obvious and fairly serious design flaw, strictly from a security perspective. However, it also allows a pair of cuffs to be cheaper than would otherwise be the case. That's the tradeoff.

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    39. Re:identical? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > All handcuff keys for a certain brand are identical. That is to allow one
      > officer to handcuff a suspect and any other officer to remove the cuffs.

      That's the official marketing copy -- as in, be careful, don't step in that official marketing copy, or your shoes will stink for a week.

      In reality, if each set had a distinct key, the officer would simply need to hand the key over to the next guy, along with the prisoner, whenever custody changes. No big deal.

      The real reason the keys are all the same is because that allows the keys to be mass produced and allows the locks to be simpler, which results in a significantly cheaper per-unit cost. It probably also allows the cuffs to be physically smaller -- a more complex re-key-able mechanism would take a bit more space.

      Cuffs that have a unique key would be somewhat more secure. However, they'd also cost more, and it's arguable whether it would be worth it, given that the handcuff lock is often not the weakest part of the security system for prisoner transport.

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    40. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      In reality, if each set had a distinct key, the officer would simply need to hand the key over to the next guy, along with the prisoner, whenever custody changes. No big deal.

      I guess you have never watched an episode of "Jail" on tv. Prisoner transfer is not that easy. Think about it for a second. A police department has thousands of sets of cuffs. Keys get lost. The department would spend millions just making replacement keys. What happens when one puts 5 suspects into a paddy wagon. The transport officer now has 5 keys. When these suspects get to the jail they will be separated. Don't you think that it is highly likely that keys could get mixed up?

      When a suspect is sitting in a car and their cuffs become too tight or loose it is very good that any officer can adjust them without looking for the arresting officer.

      The detention of a suspect can take many stages; arresting officer to transport officer to intake officer to investigating officer to jail custodian. At any of these points the officer may have a number of keys for different suspects and may pass on the wrong key.

      If one uses unique keys I bet conversations similar to the following would occur;
      Hey Bob do you have suspect x's keys?
      No, I gave them to Bill.
      I hope not because he went home at the end of his shift.
      Maybe it was Tom.
      Tom, do you have the keys for suspect X?
      Yeah, Here they are. Oh crap these are the ones for suspect Y. I gave Terry the wrong key. I'll go find him.
      Terry do you have the key I gave you for suspect Y?
      No, I passed it along to Max.
      etc.
      Keeping track of individual keys when the suspect is passed from officer to officer many times is a nightmare.

      As for a master key; every officer already has a master key.

    41. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't think zip ties cost $2 each. i got a bucket of them - around 1000 - for $20.

    42. Re:identical? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the current situation is equivalent to that of a single master key shared by everyone. The concept of a master does not have to be so simplistic, you can have masters over subsets. (Which is why the housing association can have a master to everyone's front door in the building they own, but not to the front doors in other buildings, for example, despite them all being the same type of lock.) Increased complexity has increased costs, it's a trade-off.

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    43. Re:identical? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      These are all good points. You've again introduced a "unique" straw man. I never demanded uniqueness. (And if you think about it there aren't an infinite number of configurations for any lock type, so absolute guranteed uniqueness isn't even attainable anyway.) I would hope that all prisoner handoff procedures are regimented pedantically, with strictly controlled protocol, and no room for sloppiness. The concept of handing over 2 things simultaniously rather than 1 shouldn't be that much of an increase in the complexity of procedure. Keeping track of which inmate is in which cuff shouldn't be harder than keeping track of which inmate is in which cell. But you're right - when humans are involved there's always the possibility of screwing up.

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    44. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      You've again introduced a "unique" straw man. I never demanded uniqueness.

      I never stated anything about uniqueness; just that if all keys can not open all cuffs there will be issues.

      I would hope that all prisoner handoff procedures are regimented pedantically, with strictly controlled protocol, and no room for sloppiness.

      A suspect is not evidence so a chain of custody is not needed and handoffs may not need to be "regimented pedantically, with strictly controlled protocol, and no room for sloppiness". A handoff may be as simple as "Watch these guys while I talk to this other guy". In this situation the officer watching may have a number of keys in his pocket; one for each suspect. Since he is not in a controlled environment he does not have the facility to put these keys on a board. When dealing with multiple agressive suspects it is very likely a mistake in key passing will occur.

      The concept of handing over 2 things simultaniously rather than 1 shouldn't be that much of an increase in the complexity of procedure.

      That would be true if all handovers were one prisoner to one person in a controled environment where one has enough time to control the keys. In the above example the watching officer may have ten different keys in his pocket which may have to go to ten different transport officers. Misreading a key number is very easy at this point. Even reading the lock number from the cuffs to ensure that the right key is passed may be impossible if the suspect does no cooperate.

    45. Re:identical? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      >>> 2. [...] unique keys [...]

      >> You've again introduced a "unique" straw man.

      > I never stated anything about uniqueness

      The evidence tells another story.

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    46. Re:identical? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      I thought I was OCD on semantics. Please replace the "unique keys" with "specific keys". Even though the keys may not be unique it does not matter as there is a very low chance that one key will open a set of cuffs not matched to them.

    47. Re:identical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your third reference to a "torture chair" is about a restrain device used to control suspects who do not follow instructions or who may harm themselves.

      On a good day. On a bad day it's entirely different. You did something the police don't like? You get arrested for 'resisting arrest'. While bitching to them about an unlawful arrest during booking, they decide you are 'dangerous' and to teach you a lesson they put you in the torture chair. Oh, what's that? 72 hours later they release you and drop all the charges. Huh.

      She said all week long she asked to be placed in the infirmary or see a doctor but she said that didn't happen.

      "That didn't happen"...says the people who would be guilty of murder if they said "That totally happened."

      She said she wasn't feeling well and began cramping in her cell.

      Ok--so she started laboring.

      Deshawn Balka said she went to the bathroom and she said that's when she had her baby in the toilet, thinking she was having a bowel movement.

      So she had a baby...

      ...and then:

      So a woman with cramps who has been complaining all week thinks she is having a bowel movement but gives birth.

      Oooohhhh...so she had *cramps* which turned out to be a *baby*. That's totally justification for the jail staff to let the baby die.

      Please note that nowhere did she state that she called out to jail staff for help.

      Right--because if the news article doesn't mention it specifically, it didn't happen. Did the article fail to mention she eats food daily?

      If you have control over someone (they are in your custody), it is your duty to ensure their health and safety--otherwise release them.

      There's a reason our local jail releases most newly-booked inmates that complain of chest pain--they don't want to be responsible for the cost. (Serious crimes notwithstanding.)

      None of your quoted articles have gone to court and are, at this point, allegations.

      Just like the allegations that lock up innocent-until-proven-guilty people every day.

      It seems strange that the same people who insist on calling people caught in the act "suspects" are also the same people that believe every allegation against the police.

      Hmm...who do I trust more, any random civilian or the government? I'm going to have to error on the side of any random civilian who is at the mercy of the government. The government can make up laws without your consent to arrest and imprison you. The government gets to seize all the evidence related to their case against you and they are on the 'honor' system to inform your lawyer of things that make their case look bad. The evidence gets tested at their labs by their staff. They have unlimited money to bring in 'experts' to testify against you while being questioned by their lawyers. The whole thing is presided over by their judge who also helps their lawyer decide which peers are on your jury--kicking out the ones who don't agree with their rules.

      Yeah. I don't trust the government.

      Sure there are some bad officers but there are also some people who try to make the police look bad.

      That's the same tired old line. Every damn day there's another police droid saying "It's unfortunate when one officer makes the rest of us look bad". At the tune of hundreds of incidents per year, it's no longer 'one bad apple'. The whole lot is rotten. And unfortunately you are powerless to stop them.

      If a criminal comes up to me on the street and says "Give me $100 or I'll beat you up", I can easily defend myself.
      If a police officer comes up to me on the street and says "Give me $100 or I'll take away your vehicle", I dare not resist because he has the authority to murder me and any act I take t

  5. LockCon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The fact that he managed to make a key for these doesn't surprise me at all.

    The fact that there is a LockCon on the other hand.....

    1. Re:LockCon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course there is. How else do you think one could keep track of everybody with lockpicking skills?

  6. Endless Cycle by Master+Moose · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now lets say this type of key creation is outlawed. .

    Create handcuff keys
    Be put in handcuffs
    Use Key. Escape

    It will be like bribing Law enforcement with counterfeit cash

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    1. Re:Endless Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It already is outlawed in some states"
      "BY DAVID OVALLE
      dovalle@MiamiHerald.com
      For wearing handcuff keys on a necklace draped around his neck, a homeless Miami Beach man could face years in prison.

      Prosecutors on Tuesday formally charged Michael Gonzalez, 22, with disorderly intoxication, marijuana possession and two counts of possession of a concealed handcuff key -- a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

      ``It's an actual felony,'' prosecutor Barbara Teresa Govea explained to Miami-Dade Circuit Judge John Thornton, who questioned the charge. "

      Now if you gold-plate the key and wear it on a chain around your neck in the open, is that still concealed??? :-)

  7. How much does it actually matter? by erice · · Score: 2

    The thing about having one's hands in cuffs is that it is pretty difficult to unlock the handcuffs even you if had and could reach the key. Presumably, the first result is wide spread key availability is that your pockets are searched at the time the cuffs go on.

    For the laser cut keys to really work, you need an accomplice and to be essentially unguarded.

    1. Re:How much does it actually matter? by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it is pretty difficult to unlock the handcuffs even you if had and could reach the key

      Difficult is not impossible and with enough practice difficult becomes easy.

      Keys can be in the mouth, swallowed, in a seam, in a concealed compartment in a belt loop, etc. There are many places to carry a key that will get by most searches. There was one instance where a man has a pouch surgically installed in his cheek just big enough to hold a handcuff key. Many "escape artists" conceal keys on their person for their acts and these keys are not found by the spectators, sometimes police officers, who search them.

      So no, an accomplice is not necessary.

    2. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't find the article but about 12 years ago a police officer in Tampa, FL was killed after a suspect who was handcuffed got out by using a key on his necklace. He was put in the back seat cuffed, when the officer went to get him out the suspect reached for his pistol, got it and shot him. This is not uncommon.

    3. Re:How much does it actually matter? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      If you use rigid cuffs, with hands behind the back, and palms facing away from each other,
      escaping from handcuffs requires either a contortionist or someone willing/able to dislocate joints.

      Rigid cuffs make life a lot harder for anyone trying to get out of cuffs.

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    4. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now thanks to asshole key duplicators, rigid cuffs are going to start becoming a lot more common.

    5. Re:How much does it actually matter? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Or a partner in crime.

    6. Re:How much does it actually matter? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      If you use rigid cuffs, with hands behind the back, and palms facing away from each other,escaping from handcuffs requires either a contortionist or someone willing/able to dislocate joints.

      I have a rotator cuff injury and pinched nerves in my right arm. My hands will not come together back to back behind me. In fact I would loose blood supply to my arm in that position. Any officer who tried that would be guilty of abuse. How would the officer tell if I am lying or telling the truth? He would have to take my word for it. Then there are people so big that the above configuration can not be used. Rigid cuffs are a simple solution that does not always work considering how complex the issue is.

    7. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's generally easier with some other tool, like a pin, that doesn't need to be inserted to the lock in 90 degree angle.

    8. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Higgs+Bosun · · Score: 1

      it is pretty difficult to unlock the handcuffs even you if had and could reach the key

      Difficult is not impossible and with enough practice difficult becomes easy.

      Keys can be in the mouth, swallowed

      Swallowed?! I'd like to see someone escape using that one! Actually no I wouldn't like to see that. It's probably already on the Internet one some sick fetish site I want no part of.

    9. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Simple: make the high-security cuffs with a bar inbetween. This bar should keep the hands far enough apart that the bad guy can't reach the locks, wich are in the middle of the bar. Then the guy needs to be flexible in order to get the locks in front of him so he can open it with the key in between his teeth. If the cops didn't notice he was doing that they don't deserve the job.

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    10. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, rigid cuffs are generally only used in prisons or high security transports because they have a tendency to bring lawsuits.

      There are other handcuffs like Tuff Cuffs which supposedly are just as secure, but I highly recommend watching their video. It just seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen with the one-way ratchet mechanism between the cuffs that only allows the cuffs to twist in a certain direction. It just looks like a good way to dislocate a shoulder.

    11. Re:How much does it actually matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a rotator cuff injury and pinched nerves in my right arm. My hands will not come together back to back behind me. In fact I would loose blood supply to my arm in that position. Any officer who tried that would be guilty of abuse. How would the officer tell if I am lying or telling the truth? He would have to take my word for it. .

      He wouldn't give a shit, you would suffer agonising pain that results and any lasting effects, and all your efforts to bring him to justice would be futile.

    12. Re:How much does it actually matter? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      I was wondering when someone would ask. The key is tied to a thread, tied to a molar and pulled back when needed.

    13. Re:How much does it actually matter? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Good idea for a jail but not so much for a patrol officer as they have enough stuff hanging off their belts.

  8. Wonder Twin Powers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Activate! Form of...keys!

  9. remember Sklyarov? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

    indefinite detention in 3...2...

    1. Re:remember Sklyarov? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      66 indefinite detention in 3...2... 99

      Perfect body disposal in 3...2...

    2. Re:remember Sklyarov? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      indefinite detention in 3...2...

      Cue the hyperbole police.... Dmitry Sklyarov was held in jail from July 16, 2001 to August 6, 2001, when he was released on $50,000 bail. He was found not guilty during a trial in December of the same year. Spending three weeks in jail sucks, but it is hardly indefinite.

    3. Re:remember Sklyarov? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There seems to be some sort of a problem with the handcuffs though.

    4. Re:remember Sklyarov? by detritus. · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting we live in a post 9/11/2001 world now... it's hardly hyperbolic with the crazy amount of power the US now has to deal with situations like this. The only difference is Sklyarov actually got an arraignment and trial.

  10. more cops are better then high tech locks by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    more cops are better then high tech locks any ways with high tech locks you just go after the weak points.

    1. Re:more cops are better then high tech locks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah this is pretty much true, and to be honest. Zipties work much better than standard handcuffs. The only problem is, liberal lawyers throw a hissyfit over everytime they get used because someone cuts their arms on them.

  11. Clever but stupid? by westlake · · Score: 1

    Who holds the design and patent rights to the keys? I am betting that they are legally protected in some way.

    There is only one set of legitimate buyers for these handcuffs.

    Which means that being caught with one of these copycat keys in your possession is going to be hell of a thing to explain to an unsympathetic and skeptical cop,

    1. Re:Clever but stupid? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      An unsympathetic and skeptical cop who has no legal basis for asking for an explanation.

      It isn't illegal to be in possession of a key.

    2. Re:Clever but stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't want to have to wait to see a judge to prove that. . .

    3. Re:Clever but stupid? by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who holds the design and patent rights to the keys?

      Design and patent rights are a civil matter and not a criminal matter. Until there is a law passed that criminalizes the possession of handcuff keys there is nothing the police can do.

      There is only one set of legitimate buyers for these handcuffs.

      There are actually at least five sets and possibly more; police, prison guards, court house guards , private security and bounty hunters. Basically anyone who has a legitimate reason for detaining someone else.

    4. Re:Clever but stupid? by tftp · · Score: 2

      Buy your own set of police handcuffs without a key, and then get a key. With millions of pairs in use it shouldn't be too difficult. Then you have a perfect reason to own a key. If the judge asks why do you need handcuffs you can always claim curiosity about BDSM.

    5. Re:Clever but stupid? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      An unsympathetic and skeptical cop who has no legal basis for asking for an explanation.

      It isn't illegal to be in possession of a key.

      Not at all, it'd just be illegal to use it to attempt escape from a lawful arrest. Prisons are filled with dumb people.

    6. Re:Clever but stupid? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Not at all, it'd just be illegal to use it to attempt escape from a lawful arrest."

      Perhaps we'll get lucky and they'll sue Thingieverse for copyright violation after the design is posted.
      It has to happen sooner or later.

    7. Re:Clever but stupid? by Wingman+5 · · Score: 0

      I would not be surprised if a counterfeit key would fall under the category of "lockpick" which is illegal to posses in some jurisdictions.

    8. Re:Clever but stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BDSM!

    9. Re:Clever but stupid? by jaymemaurice · · Score: 1

      I have a set of real cuffs in my car locked to my steering wheel. A key in my glovebox and a key on my keyring. Not sure why, other then I can. It makes for interesting conversation.

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    10. Re:Clever but stupid? by azalin · · Score: 1

      You must be to preferred ride for hitchhikers everywhere.

    11. Re:Clever but stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Handcuffs are legal to own most places. Even in the UK, the only reason PCSOs don't carry them is that it gives the false _impression_ that they have the powers of arrest (or more technically, the authority to arrest people an ordinary citizen cannot) of a police officer. Ordinary citizens can carry handcuffs but if they use them to detain someone without permission they may be guilty of a number of serious offenses. Handcuffing the escaped murderer whose picture you saw on the news will get you a medal, but handcuffing his innocent identical twin brother will get you a jail sentence unless he has an incredible sense of humour.

    12. Re:Clever but stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question of the legality of carrying cuff keys came up during the Q&A after Ray's talk. Ray said that, AFAHK, only Florida has a law regarding cuff keys. It states that if you are under arrest you must tell the officers if you are carrying a cuff key. If you do not tell them in this instance then you are in violation. Simply owning or carrying the key is still not an offence itself.

    13. Re:Clever but stupid? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      It isn't illegal to be in possession of a key.

      Yet.

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    14. Re:Clever but stupid? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      There is only one set of legitimate buyers for these handcuffs.

      Which means that being caught with one of these copycat keys in your possession is going to be hell of a thing to explain to an unsympathetic and skeptical cop,

      Why would the cop be so judgmental about my bondage fetish?

    15. Re:Clever but stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are reasons why citizens carry cuff keys.

      Not just the cops and the doms carry handcuffs. Where I live, the hoodlums know that their victims are not going to be escaping from a pair of cuffs, so will be using those in home invasions. Cuff up the homeowner and family, torch house, no evidence.

  12. Airline security? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

    Interesting the article mentions how those plastic keys are easy to take through airport security. As if it's easier than metal keys. I've routinely taken a keyring with about a dozen keys on planes, could contain any key, never did they really inspect which keys (it just had to go through the scanner). I'm sure just adding a metal handcuff key to that bunch would let me through just as easily. Maybe even easier than with a plastic key, as metal keys are more common.

    1. Re:Airline security? by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can confirm this. I've had a common police handcuff key on my keyring for years* and I've never had it singled out at any security checkpoint. The keys go in the briefcase with a bunch of other crap where they might even be difficult to identify as keys.

      *Kinky ex girlfriend. I figured I'd better stash a few keys in convenient places in case she wandered off at an inappropriate moment.

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    2. Re:Airline security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can confirm this. I've had a common police handcuff key on my keyring for years* and I've never had it singled out at any security checkpoint.

      Ditto. Prior to 9/11 I also carried a P38 can-opener, but I took it off the key-ring in case some dumb-ass thought I could hijack the plane with it.

       

      *Kinky ex girlfriend. I figured I'd better stash a few keys in convenient places in case she wandered off at an inappropriate moment.

      Same reason too :).

    3. Re:Airline security? by eht · · Score: 1

      Don't fly to Florida with that key in your pocket

      http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/843.021.html

      Could be construed as "Unlawful possession of a concealed handcuff key"

      A homeless man was picked up with a handcuff key on a necklace and charged under that law.

      "including, but not limited to" is pretty broad

    4. Re:Airline security? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      It's not just about airport security, but also courthouse security and places where they might actually care about handcuff keys, like jails where you visit someone that's doing hard time. Airport security is not the best example you could choose, but "places that use a metal detector" would have a hard time detecting these keys.

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    5. Re:Airline security? by jaymemaurice · · Score: 0

      Notice the stipulation in the law is that it is concealed:
      (c) "Concealed handcuff key" means any handcuff key carried by a person in a manner that indicates an intent to prevent discovery of the key by a law enforcement officer, including, but not limited to, a handcuff key carried:

      1. In a pocket of a piece of clothing of a person, [b]and unconnected to any key ring[/b];

      OP mentions his key, like mine, is on his keyring where keys ought to be, so are not really concealed.

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    6. Re:Airline security? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Good one. I have no experience with those: how about checks on your regular metal keys? Almost everybody carries a bundle of keys around (home, office, bicycle, car, whatnot), often invisibly packed in a small purse. Will they check whether you carry any metal handcuff keys in between your normal keys? Or, like at the airport, put it through a separate scanner where they only look for weapons and so?

    7. Re:Airline security? by cheros · · Score: 1

      OK, now you've got me curious.

      I know of cannilingus, but this is clearly different.

      Kinky with handcuffs is known entertainment, yes, but putting people in cans so they need a backup can opener is new to me. Obviously I need to get out more :)

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    8. Re:Airline security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOT LIMITED TO is the operative phrase in this instance. It means that if you have a key, they can insist you were trying to hide it and arrest you. Even if it's scotch taped to your forehead.

    9. Re:Airline security? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Even if its a key to handcuffs that I own?

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    10. Re:Airline security? by jaymemaurice · · Score: 1

      Except they explicitly state in the law:
      In a pocket of a piece of clothing of a person, and unconnected to any key ring
      Which is plainly obvious that the limitations exclude unconcealed keys on a regular key ring with your regular keys or else they would have simply said "In a pocket of a piece of clothing"

      NOT LIMITED TO means that if you have the key cut in two and stored in two places or some other condition which violates the spirit of the law - not that your walking down the street with bobby pins in your hair or are j-walking.

      Take off the tin-foil hat and quit using the moderation as -1 "I dont agree"

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  13. This isn't copywrite law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unlike music and movies, you can copy other people's patented works to your heart's content. Selling it isn't legal however.

    Another thing to consider is security engineering has far longer timelines than information technology. I know not the pertinent patent numbers but it would not be surprising if they have already expired. As a simple example, nearly every American made automobile has sidebar locks copied over from the original Briggs and Stratton design long expired.

  14. A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by joeflies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the goal of a handcuff is to restrain a person, namely a person who isn't likely to have a copy of the key handy, nor a 3d printer. And the detained person will not likely be given access to people who have keys or printers either.

    It doesn't matter if the keys can be made easily, really, or even if it's the same key used in all the locks. THe basic point is that a handcuffed person would not be able to get themselves out without the tool.

    Perhaps a lot is being made because it's a "high tech lock". Well you can take a low tech lock, such as a chain linked to a concrete block, and even though you could easily get out with a set of boltcutters, it's just as impossible to free yourself without access to the tools.

    1. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It isn't about having a 3D printer handy after you are cuffed. It is about challenging the idea of physical security through obscurity. Handcuffs rely on a "shared secret" of the physical key, that's why the manufacturers go to great lengths to control distribution of those keys. But 3D printers make it practical to turn that physical key into data, and at that point all of the problems of security through obscurity of information start to apply to a formerly physical security model.

      In other words, all it takes is for one person to "scan" a key and upload it to the internet and now it is orders of magnitude more likely that someone will have a copy of the key on their person, perhaps disguised as jewlery or just in stuck in their pockets, that will let themselves unlock their cuffs while sitting in the back of a police car.

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    2. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is kind of the whole point though. You have a company selling a product that really is over designed, and presumably over priced as it's no more effective in 99% of the cases than a zip tie. And in most cases it's the probably tax payers footing the bill.

    3. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's helpful, now how do you get out police car?

    4. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is definitely more efficient than a zip tie. A zip tie can easily be broken, if I am allowed to move my arms up and down. I was recently demonstrated this, and all it took was one attempt to break it.

    5. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    6. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's helpful, now how do you get out police car?

      When the cop opens the door expecting you to be restrained and it is thus easier to get the drop on him.

    7. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Honestly though, all it would take is some handcuff manufacturer to add button or lever somewhere else on the cuff that has to be used in combination with a key. If cuffs required the simultaneous use of two hands to unlock, suddenly a prisoner being able to release themselves with only a key would become much more difficult.

      It seems like that would be a more effective solution than trying to make the same old-fashioned lock release mechanism with higher precision parts.

    8. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check youtube for breaking double zip ties (the black ones currently in use). It seriously is very very easy to do. You can buy them in army surplus shops and police shops. Try it out for yourselves.

    9. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by jaymemaurice · · Score: 1

      Except how can you make such a release mechanism that can't be defeated by using stationary objects as extra hands - that's the patentable magic.

      Mind you, standard hadcuffs that dont use the pivot chain are difficult to get out of, with a key, when they are put on right side up

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    10. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace "of the physical key" with "of knowledge that you can do it with pretty much any pointer tool that can fit inside the thing if you can reach it". Handcuff locks, even high-security ones, are not exactly abloy class for a number of reasons.

    11. Re:A Handcuff isn't meant to be unbreakable by cdrguru · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but the idiocy of this entire train of thought comes crashing down when it becomes standard procedure for police to treat all persons as if they are going to attack them, previously handcuffed or not.

      In military situations when you have a potentially unruly prisoner it may just be simpiler to disable or kill the "prisoner" rather than bother with trying to control the prisoner. In civil police matters this hasn't been an option. Today's police have it beaten into them from the first day at the academy about establishing control of the prisoner and maintaining that control. Combining the idea that handcuffing a prisoner isn't going to control the prisoner with the need to maintain control at all costs is just going to lead to an escalation - one that is not going to be good for people interacting with the police.

      Understand that the police today are faced with a pretty much impossible task. You have people that are committed to create mayhem and take down as many people - police and bystanders - as they can. You have the drugged-out people that are stronger than any three normal men that can't focus enough to even hear simple instructions. Then you have the average Joe stopped for running a traffic light. It is obviously the officer's duty to figure out which sort of person Joe might be and treat him accordingly. Problem is, if he makes a mistake in categorizing Joe then Officer Friendly is dead. This is an inescapable fact and one that isn't missed in officer training.

      And people want to make it simple and easy for people to be less controllable and more threatening to police?

  15. Also they aren't meant to be super-secure by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Handcuffs are just a quick and easy way of ensuring someone can't cause too much trouble. When your hands are held behind your back, you can't make much mischief in general. They aren't intended to be something to hold someone securely for long periods. Just to temporarily restrain someone for transport.

    As such it isn't like the keying system has to be top notch. It is far more important that they are easy to unlock than that they are ultra-secure.

    For that matter at times the police will just use what are more or less large zip-ties. Plastic flexi-cuffs are easy and cheap to use in a riot situation. They aren't very secure, they can be easily cut off and indeed that is what the police themselves do, but you can cheaply have a bunch of them if needed.

    1. Re:Also they aren't meant to be super-secure by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      For that matter at times the police will just use what are more or less large zip-ties. Plastic flexi-cuffs are easy and cheap to use in a riot situation. They aren't very secure, they can be easily cut off and indeed that is what the police themselves do,

      Indeed. If your hands are tied behind your back they cannot easily reach the scissors or key that it in your pocket. And even then, it takes some dexterity to marshall that key into a tiny hole, all the while officers are probably not far, and could see and stop you any time...

    2. Re:Also they aren't meant to be super-secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just keep a small sharp edge on some portion of your clothing. Edge of shoe for example. Easily accessed when kneeling.

    3. Re:Also they aren't meant to be super-secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Handcuffs are just a quick and easy way of ensuring someone can't cause too much trouble. When your hands are held behind your back, you can't make much mischief in general. They aren't intended to be something to hold someone securely for long periods. Just to temporarily restrain someone for transport.

      Indeed, the real problem is police who fail to properly apply handcuffs. The correct way is is behind the back, palms facing outward, keyhole facing up the arm, like this. Wearing handcuffs this way, it's nearly impossible to even reach the keyhole. Even if you have a key, you can't use it.

  16. Making the keys laser/3d print proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should be fairly easy to design a laser cutter proof key - All you have to do is give it 3d features. With 3d printers it's a little trickier - the only real way is to make a key with features too small to be printed effectively. But this is a loosing battle since 3d printers are improving very fast.

    Anyway, it isn't like duplicating a key is particularly tough if you have access to a machine shop. The only real way of making standard keys copy proof (at least to some degree) is to embed electronics / RFID / NFC tech in the keys and the cuffs. So a cuff can only be opened with a key of the right size, shape *and* code / protocol. It will still be possible to duplicate them of course... just much harder for the average person.

  17. Posting CAD files for keys may be unwise by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Ray plans to post the CAD file for the key on the 3D printing site Thingiverse after LockCon later this week."

    If the lock maker is anything like other lock makers, it's likely to result in them sending in the lawyers and somehow contriving DMCA-takedown notices

    1. Re:Posting CAD files for keys may be unwise by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Ray plans to post the CAD file for the key on the 3D printing site Thingiverse after LockCon later this week."

      If the lock maker is anything like other lock makers, it's likely to result in them sending in the lawyers and somehow contriving DMCA-takedown notices

      Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy.
      The current CAD plans were reverse engineered but... not after something digital (thus subject to the copyright laws and DigitalMCA) but using a physical artifact. Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?

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    2. Re:Posting CAD files for keys may be unwise by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy.

      They never made plans available to the public, that doesn't mean there are no 3D plans; unpublished works still copyright, possibly even if you can derive the plans by looking at the physical object.

      Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?

      Lock makers usually use patents, not copyrights, for control of manufacture of keys.

      A "key" -- the physical object whose shape is dictated by its function (operating a lock) can't be copyrighted, but the blueprints might be.

      Patents prohibit unauthorized parties from making and selling a patented key.

      Copyrights prohibit unauthorized parties from recreating and selling something derived from and substantially similar to copyright-protected plans.

    3. Re:Posting CAD files for keys may be unwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the lock maker is anything like other lock makers, it's likely to result in them sending in the lawyers and somehow contriving DMCA-takedown notices

      The Pirate Bay has a "Physibles" section now.

      I'm sure they'll treat a lock maker's takedown notice just like they treat every other takedown noticew.

    4. Re:Posting CAD files for keys may be unwise by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy.

      They never made plans available to the public, that doesn't mean there are no 3D plans; unpublished works still copyright, possibly even if you can derive the plans by looking at the physical object.

      Seems improbable to obtain copyright for something that you did not publish or did not register a copyrightable work (otherwise, I would be able to claim that I wrote ... whatever ... before the original author). The only question is: would expressing a blue-print in tangible object equates to "publishing the blue-print"?

      There seem to be even exceptions to the copyright for "useful articles" - which seem to indicate that the utilitarian/functional aspects of an article are not copyrightable (at least this is how I interpret "If a pictorial, graphic or sculptural work is a useful article, it is copyrighted only if its aesthetic features are separable from its utilitarian features").

      Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?

      Lock makers usually use patents, not copyrights, for control of manufacture of keys.

      Then the principles (at least) for the invention need to be described in the patent application. As I doubt that an eventual patent (if existing) would be so specific to describe the 3D blueprints and I really doubt the patent application can make claims on the "locking/unlocking cuffs" as a principle... it's much probable the manufacturer relied on trade secrets for the "key blue-prints". If I'm right then reverse engineering them is fair game.

      A "key" -- the physical object whose shape is dictated by its function (operating a lock) can't be copyrighted, but the blueprints might be.

      Patents prohibit unauthorized parties from making and selling a patented key.

      Copyrights prohibit unauthorized parties from recreating and selling something derived from and substantially similar to copyright-protected plans.

      As I said, I doubt there is a copyright protection if the blue-prints were not published or (at least) registered with a copyright authority. Question is: if the later (registered work), would a copyright authority have any right in not disclosing the blue-prints when asked by third parties? I don't think so... if kept secret, then it would be contrary to the very principle of copyright (you have exclusivity over a limited period of time provided that you publish a work for the benefit of the society).

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  18. Fortunately my local PD still uses Smith&Wesso by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

    standard cuffs that use the same key you can get anywhere.

    Good to keep a copy on your keyring... just in case.

  19. lock pick is cheaper by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lock pick is cheaper (usually free)
    There are plenty of youtube videos teaching how to make your own.
    I've yet to find a lock that I couldn't pick with one... that includes every lock in my house and even my car.
    It's really not that hard when you get used to it.

    1. Re:lock pick is cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I call bullshit. If you have found a way to pick sidebar locks with bits of wire then you should write a book about it. Nobody else has.

    2. Re:lock pick is cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lock pick is cheaper (usually free)
      There are plenty of youtube videos teaching how to make your own.
      I've yet to find a lock that I couldn't pick with one... that includes every lock in my house and even my car.
      It's really not that hard when you get used to it.

      Yeah right. This isnt a movie and youre not a master of locks that can open a car door with a lockpick. I know you want to sound cool infront of a bunch of strangers but you sound like some kid telling lies to his friends hoping they believe him and think he is cool.

      I guess you could do it in a house built in the 1800s and a car from 1925 though, but fact is it doesnt work like that and you couldnt open those cuffs with just a simple lock pick.

    3. Re:lock pick is cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, now do that with your hands cuffed behind your back.

    4. Re:lock pick is cheaper by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

      These cuffs are in fact a bit harder to pick the lock from. Especially when cuffed yourself, it would probably take you too long to pick the lock to remain undetected and your pick taken from you.

      There are quite a few more modern lock designs that require specialist tools to unlock without a key. Those tools usually cost a multitude of a key and are hard to buy, even from chinese clone sites. One of those locks is the "abloy classic". Another lock that is hard to pick without special tools is the lock system that uses "dimples". You can't really rake those locks and setting individual pins is a challenge by itself. Those are in fact bumpable, but I don't consider that a "picking" technique. There are a few modern key systems I don't know the name of that could possibly be pickable, but I haven't tried or seen any information on so far, so it could very well be that they are in fact pick resistant.

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    5. Re:lock pick is cheaper by jaymemaurice · · Score: 2

      Read about Meadco lock cylinders. They are common and you cannot "pick" them. You also can't "pick" VW/Audi BMW or Mercedes style key cylinders or most automotive keys for that matter... but for most of those things you mention, a rock is cheaper, quicker and more effective.

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    6. Re:lock pick is cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also can't "pick" VW/Audi BMW or Mercedes style key cylinders or most automotive keys for that matter.

      Who picks locks in 2012? Clearly not them.

    7. Re:lock pick is cheaper by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      For locks that I don't care about I have always preferred the large slotted screw driver hammered through the key slot, just attach a large vice grip pliers to the shaft of the screw driver from some leverage. Granted the lock will never work again but you can open it.

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    8. Re:lock pick is cheaper by mlts · · Score: 1

      I'd check the locksport sites. Medeco locks are pickable, but take a lot more time than the average five cylinder bump special on most doors.

      So far, the lock most resistant to picking I know of (provably) is the Abloy PROTEC, which takes a top tier locksport person about 12 hours to get. If the best in the biz takes 12 hours on a cylinder, that is good enough.

      As for handcuffs, there are some makers (Peerless and BOA) that use Medeco locks. With those, all bets are off when it comes to keys, as they can come keyed alike, keyed different, master keyed, etc. Where these are mainly used is dealing with high security transports, or transporting someone on a plane where someone nearby might try to toss the prisoner a generic key. There are two types of Medeco cylinders, and the ones on these handcuffs are the type that is impossible to bump (the upper and lower pins are both in the plug, and it uses a sidebar, so there is no easily accessible shear line.)

      As for handcuffs, if one looks at Yossie's collection or other sites, there have been tons of keys out there, and there have been tons of handcuff models as well that have been touted to be escape proof. The reason we are still using the old swing-throughs is not security, it is because they are inexpensive to use and that keys are easily available. They are not intended for anything more than a temporary restraining.

      If I were buying cuffs for an entire department with unique keys, I'd probably go for "Gotcha" cuffs as the best compromise. Those come keyed individually to each department, and the spring mechanism is stiff enough to tear up plastic keys. They are nowhere near as secure as the Medeco BOAs, but good enough to keep people from getting out if they had a key on their person.

    9. Re:lock pick is cheaper by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Oh for Christs sakes, I didn't say I could pick any lock in the world. I've yet to find one I couldn't pick. Can you buy military grade locks online that sell for $16,000 that I probably couldn't pick? Certainly.

  20. This guy will become the poster boy... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

    For why the government needs to DCMA physical objects in addition to media. He does the world no good with his stunt. This will come back and bite us in a year or two.

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  21. cuffs are black boxed by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    I know a lot of departments that double cuff some, and, black box the links in between if they are the hinged types. The hinged types are a little harder to work with, since you can pivot your hands as easy as with the ones that have the 3-4 chain links. The steel box goes between them and covers the area where the key fits. On a personal note... just stick an explosive on the cuffs, and if they are unlocked, it explodes with enough force to sever the veins in the wrist and let them bleed out...after 1 or 2 die trying this, it will stop most of the others from trying ;)

  22. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lets look at standard cuffs. They have been using a common key type for decades that anyone can buy anywhere. But Im willing to bet the actual majority of people who end up in cuffs by law enforcement and use their own key to escape is pretty damned small. This is less common cuff with a less commonly found key and thus reduces the chances of someone escaping using a custom key even less likely.

    Besides, if someone is in these high tech cuffs I wouldnt think the police or whoever wouldnt have searched the person as well and found the key before hand. Unless of course they think suddenly every criminal is going to get a copy of this, tie it to string, tie it to a tooth and then swallow (or rectally hide it) it so they pull it out and unlock the cuffs, beat the officer to death after breaking out of the squad car or prison, hijack a vehicle and drive off into the sunset.

    Its not like prisoners play escape artist that often once they have been cuffed. Im sure it happens on occasion but not enough for this to even be a concern. Besides the old addage is if one man can make it, a thousand can break it.

  23. Summary is wrong by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1
    From Summary:

    Ray plans to post the CAD file for the key on the 3D printing site Thingiverse after LockCon later this week.

    From Article:

    Even so, Ray says he won’t post CAD models of the Bonowi or Clejuso models online, given that those keys are harder to obtain and providing blueprints for their reproduction could in fact reduce their real-world security.

    WTF, Sparrowvsrevolution?

  24. Flat keys work? by Animats · · Score: 1

    The surprising thing is that a flat key will work. Laser cutters are 2D devices; they do a great job cutting flat sheets, but you can't make 3D objects with them. The process is fast and cheap, though. Stereolithography takes forever.

    I'm surprised that laser-cut acrylic would work. Thin acrylic isn't very strong. Polycarbonate ("Lexan") doesn't cut well with CO2 lasers. Acetyl ("Delrin") is probably the best choice. It's kind of expensive, but a key isn't very big.

    1. Re:Flat keys work? by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Indeed. A few years ago, the same trick was used against Dutch police handcuffs. They were also flat, and the manufacturer promised to make the keys more difficult. Apparently, few people learned from that trick.

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  25. Exciting. Car master keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exciting! It is common knowledge that there is a master key set for each vendor of car. I wonder if we could print out that set? Impress your friends when you can retrieve their locked-in keys without any risk of damage!

  26. I'll take The Macallan by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 2

    Forget MacGruber, the only Mac that had any interest to me is The Macallan.

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    1. Re:I'll take The Macallan by gstrickler · · Score: 1

      Me too. Cask Strength if you want a real kick.

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    2. Re:I'll take The Macallan by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      Regular strength, cask strength, as long as it's at least 12 years old, and not Fine Oak, I'll take it.

      So I'm not exactly a picky Macallan drinker.

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  27. Re:Exciting. Car master keys? by jaymemaurice · · Score: 1

    There aren't master key sets for each car - their are lock cylinder decoders and assemblable/half step key kits and key cutters that cut from key code. You could create these from a small CNC mill.

    Take apart a lock cylinder some time and learn what you are talking about before you sound like an idiot.

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  28. So a key opened handcuffs by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    A plastic copy of a key is still a key.

    This is news how?

    "Durrr. Hey look Cleetus this here plastic key works just like a key."

  29. Solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make the mechanism tough enough to turn that it will break a plastic key if you try to turn and use it but not one made of metal.

  30. Given the crime arrested for was only allegation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This makes your "Your first reference about being kidnapped is complete allegation where nothing has been proven" rather ironic, doesn't it.

  31. Once you know the key's shape... by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 1

    Once you know the key's shape, all bets are off: you don't need fancy tech to make a copy. You can make a key out of metal with just a few hand tools, and it would probably be quicker than 3D printing too. Brass is easy to work and much stronger than plastic.

  32. Police state torture helpers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks.

  33. Re:Exciting. Car master keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some older cars you could actually go into a dealership with the VIN or the car. They could cut you a key while you wait. They didnt even need the key to your car. They did it from a book that had the setup for the key jig.

  34. A new math problem here by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    The failure in this handcuff problem is that both the locking mech (a key) and the unlocking mech (a key) are identical. Consider the public/private encryption key system used everywhere for digital communications. What the handcuff industry needs is sort of the inverse: some way that anyone can lock the cuffs but only the intended recipients can unlock them. There may be no solution to this problem, but it would be cool if there were. As a simple example: any officer applies the cuffs, and tags them as "unlockable only by police in user_set_XYZZY" . This at least partitions the universe of eligible unlockers, and perhaps lends itself to having a separate permissions message sent via secure comms channels.
    (yeah I know this is a pipe dream)

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  35. Houdini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He used the fact that the authorities didn't want the "one key opens all handcuffs" secret to become known to conceal some of his escapes.

  36. Or just use flexicuffs by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

    Just use the cheap, disposable plastic restraints that don't have keys or locks and need to be cut off. No need to muck around with $150 handcuffs.

    That being said, hinged cuffs behind the back, locks facing up (hands facing down), is beyond the ability of most people to escape, even if they have the key.

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  37. As someone with a few cops as friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...god help you if you get arrested and they find this on you, or worse, you actually use it and they catch you before you escape their custody.