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UK Research Funders: Publicly Funded Research Must Be Publicly Available

scibri writes "The UK's research councils have put in place an open access policy similar to the one used by the US NIH. From April 2013, science papers must be made free to access within six months of publication if they come from work paid for by one of the UK's seven government-funded grant agencies, the research councils, which together spend about £2.8 billion each year on research (press release). The councils say authors should shun journals that don't allow such policies, though they haven't said how those who don't comply with the rules will be punished."

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  1. Great idea ... let's just hope the publishers... by acidfast7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    facilitate the process like they do with the NIH requirements. It's so much easier than dealing with a journal that does rather than one that doesn't.

  2. Not just the UK, but EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't actually a decision from the UK, but from Europe, and applies to all European countries. http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/12/790&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

  3. Re:Sense being made by the UK government? by biodata · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The 'feature' is probably that the government will be paying their mates in the content industry (publishers) to ensure that they facilitate open access. Where does the money come from for this? The science budget of course.

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  4. Re:Good by vivian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who exactly should get a head start, and a head start on whom?
    The journal publishers? Researchers sometimes even have to pay a fee to submit papers for publication in the first place.
    The peer reviewers? they aren't paid by the journals or by the researchers.
    The researchers? they have already processed the information, which is why they are submitting for publication.

    Leaving a 6 month clause just begs to have endless lobbying to get it extended to 12 months, then 2 years, etc.
    If you are actively researching in a field, you will still be forced to get the expensive peer reviewed journals, usually bundled with a bunch of other journals you don't want at all, but are more or less forced to buy because of the prohibitive cost of buying articles one at a time.

    Journal Publishers basically get all the content written and submitted by scientists for free, selected by peer reviewed by another bunch of scientists for free, then slap a cover on a bunch of them and sell them at obscene prices. The price increases have way outstripped the CPI since the mid 80's and it's way past time the greedy bastards got a shake up.

  5. Re:Good news by INeededALogin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But seriously, who *actually* reads journals any more?

    Only the best scientist and researchers in the world.

    All we need to do is latch on some peer review and ranking system onto the arXiv (or similar) and we get rid of all of these outdated journals.

    Sounds like a restricted wikipedia and we all know that wikipedia is immune from mis-information. Honestly, I don't see any issue with journals. They are peer reviewed and most are digital and fully-indexed these days. Journals provide about the only reliable, authoritative documentation on the internet.

  6. Re:Great idea ... let's just hope the publishers.. by LourensV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the options they mention is to put the paper in an institutional repository (i.e. on a web server run by your university). Even Elsevier currently already allows you to put your final submission online yourself, so that shouldn't be a problem. This is not such a big step as it seems in that respect.

    What I do very much like is the required use of the CC-BY licence if any processing fees are paid. To see why that is such a big deal, here's what e.g. Elsevier normally offers authors: 1) You write the paper, 2) we get a volunteer editor to look at it, 3) the volunteer editor gets some volunteer reviewers to review it, and you scientists go back and forth until the editor says that it's accepted, 4) you sign over your copyright to us, 5) we typeset it, 6) we give electronic and/or paper copies of your article to anyone who pays us for a subscription, and 7) we give electronic and/or paper copies of your article to anyone who pays a per-access fee. Recently, with all the Open Access discussion going on, they've added an option: 8) You pay a $3000 "handling fee" to cover our expenses, and we'll give access to anyone for free.

    Note the catch: you the scientist do most of the work yourself, and pay the publisher for their part of the work, but the publisher still gets exclusive rights to your work! That seems grossly unfair to me. In this new policy, the publisher may still own the copyright even if they get paid, but with a CC-BY licence, everyone else essentially gets the same rights they do, so it's toothless. That is a step in the right direction.

  7. Re:Good news by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Every scientist who wants to be taken at all seriously. Preprint services are just online document aggregators. Anyone can put anything they want there. And no, a group ranking system won't fix that. Even fields that have preprint services STILL have journals.

    Journals currently provide two essential services - they put their reputation behind their review and publication procedures, and they maintain archives. If bad papers get through, the journal's reputation suffers. They don't want that, so they have a vested interest in making sure bad papers don't get through.

  8. Re:Great idea ... let's just hope the publishers.. by LourensV · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Technically, you're most likely using the taxpayers' money to conduct the research in the first place, so I find your argument that the publisher still gets exclusive rights to your work, hard to grasp.

    I fully agree. As a publicly funded scientist, of course the results of my work (as in, the work done by me) belong to everyone, and so when I'm done, I want to share them with everybody. The problem is that before I can do so, I have to have the paper peer-reviewed and published to make sure it's up to scratch, and in the course of that, I have to give away the rights to share it with the people who paid for the research!

    I don't want the copyright for myself (what am I going to do with it?) The only reason I want to have the copyright is so that I can distribute the paper under a free licence, so that anyone can benefit, rather than just the publisher, its shareholders, and whoever is rich enough to be able to afford the access fee.

  9. Re:Sense being made by the UK government? by kaiidth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, it could, but if you read the Finch report, you'll find that they're recommending what's known as gold open access. Researchers will be expected to pay an preposterously high per-article fee during the publication process -- a fee that they will be expected to write into their proposal for funding. This means that shedloads of funding will be going from research groups to publishers. A 2,000 UKP per publication 'article processing fee' has been proposed, although with gloomy predictability, higher-profile publishers with better impact factors have generally made it known that their article processing costs, seeing as how they're Quality and all, may (alas) be somewhat higher. They can get away with it.

    This, incidentally, means that people who happen to do research and receive public funding, but don't happen to have any project funding (and this is far from rare), are going to find it very difficult to afford to publish. We're going from a situation in which the general public can't afford to access/read research to a situation in which only a subsection of academics will be able to afford to publish, thus privileging themselves on the REF (latest incarnation of the research evaluation exercise) and denying the stragglers. Publishers are content with this because they're on the gravy train for life. Many academics aren't unduly concerned because they have project funding and it's just another system of fees. And hey, screw the riffraff, right? They can stay in the low impact factor ghetto where they belong.

    Open access is a good idea. This, on the other hand, is just your typical everyday lunatic you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours moneywasting. The actual solution is within the government's reach (hint: it involves privileging legit open access journals in the REF, rather than paying wodges of cash to Nature), but that won't get anyone invited to any dinner-parties at all, so we'll just keep throwing money at publishers instead.

    I'm in a situation right now where my own funder both mandates open access and refuses to pay for it, which, regrettably, is the sort of laughably schitzophrenic thinking I have come to expect from them. In the words of Douglas Adams, 'They're all a load of useless bloody loonies.'

  10. Re:Sense being made by the UK government? by biodata · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wrote to the minister responsible about this, pointing out that if funding is predicated on high-impact publications, but the government wants open publications, then wouldn't it be better to predicate funding on openness. I received a response from the 'BIS Ministerial Correspondence Unit' containing this information: "It may be helpful if I explain that an underpinning principle of the REF, as with the Research Assessment Exercise before it, is that all types of research and all forms of research output across all disciplines shall be assessed on a fair and equal basis. The REF Panels will not make use of journal impact factors, rankings or lists, or the perceived standing of the publisher, in assessing the quality of research outputs submitted. Hence whether the research output has been published in an open access journal, in a 'traditional' journal, or not in a journal at all, will not affect the assessment of its quality in the REF. You might like to be aware of the "Panel criteria and working methods" document which sets out how the REF panels will assess submissions. This is available on the link below: http://www.ref.ac.uk/pubs/2012-01/ I hope that this response addresses the issues you have raised." As you can see, it did not address my concerns, it just pointed to an obscure paragraph buried somewhere that says impact factors are not taken into account in the REF, which from what I understand is the exact opposite of the truth.

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