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Japan: Police Arrest Journalists For Selling DVD-Backup Tools

Modellismo writes "Last week four journalists from Sansai Books were arrested for selling, through the company website, a copy of a magazine published last year (with a free cover mounted disc) focused on how to backup/rip DVDs. They violated Japan's Unfair Competition Prevention Law that recently has been revised to make illegal the sale of any DRM circumvention device or software. It's interesting to note that Japanese cyber police could arrest the Amazon Japan CEO, too, as the online giant is selling a lot of magazines, books and software packages for DVD copy and ripping: exactly what put Sansai Books' staff in trouble."

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  1. libdvdcss ilegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    wonder how many enbedded devices produced in japan have this little piece of code in them...

    1. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's interesting to note that Japanese cyber police could arrest the Amazon Japan CEO, too

      Eh... if they can slap steel handcuffs on you and drag you to a brick-and-mortar jail, they aren't cyber police. They're real meatspace police.

    2. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by totalg33k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that cyborg is short for "cybernetic organism". So yes, Robo-cop was very much a cyber cop.

    3. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by tragedy · · Score: 4, Informative

      And if you click on the word "cyber" at the top of the article you linked, it takes you to wiktionary where it says:

      Etymology

      From cybernetic.

      Cybernetic comes from Greek meaning "steer" or rudder. It basically means the study of feedback control loops.

    4. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Cyber" is a short form for "cybernetics", a former science that has been surpassed/replaced by control theory and dynamics system theory.

      Just because a few thousands clueless politicians use the term the wrong way doesn't mean that they successfully have redefined its meaning.

    5. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by russotto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That is, unless the US start requiring that people that post such things be extradicted there.

      It is not illegal in the US to post instructions for installing libdvdcss, as long as one does not include an actual hyperlink to the software. You can include the web address, but not the actual <a href=... Ridiculous? Enormously so.

    6. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by tragedy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Words and prefixes can in fact have multiple meanings. They're usually related in some way, but sometimes the meanings can be completely different. In the case of "cyber", it comes from "cybernetics" which comes from Greek. Today, the term nebulously refers to computers in general, electronics, and electronic communications. Your attempts to pigeonhole the term are quite amusing. I can only assume that you're quite young or have very limited experience.

    7. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But once it becomes part of common language frankly your arguments become grammar nazi crap. Take virus, I'm so damned tired of listening to the geeks have a royal shitfit over whether something is a virus, a rootkit, or a trojan because for all intents and purposes the common word for ALL computer bugs is virus. That is what the public has chosen, that is what works, and you can't change the language of the entire damned planet because you don't like what they use to describe computer bugs.

      Language changes, it morphs and grows and mutates constantly, and there is simply nothing you can do about it. The word car came from carriage...do they LOOK like a carriage to you? No and in fact i doubt most of the public even knows that word came from the era of the horse and buggy, nor do they care. Accept it and move on folks.

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    8. Re:libdvdcss ilegal? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Nobody said that computer PROFESSIONALS would not still have the words trojan, backdoor, rootkit, etc

      YOU did. YOU railed against those at slashdot who correct you when you call a trojan a virus. It's understandable from a layman, but you've claimed to be a professional, and believe it or not, this ain't People Magazine, it's NEWS FOR NERDS. Real computer professionals, some with PhDs in the field (not you with the MSCE who cleans out corrupted Windows machines) come here to discuss technology. If you don't know the lingo, learn it or stay away.

      Your argument is frankly as foolish as saying "because doctors need to know which specific germ is making a patient sick then the patients should all learn latin medical terminology" because that is pretty much what you are advocating.

      Your reasoning there is really bad. Everyone knows that "germ" encompasses all species of bacteria, and "bug" encompasses all species of virus and bacteria. If a layman called the influenza virus "Hepatitus" the doctor would correct him. Calling an influenza virus "hepatitis" is as incorrect as calling a trojan a virus.

      If you wanna be a douchebag grammar nazi that is your choice

      And if you want to look like an ignorant douchebag, that's YOUR choice. You're wrong here, son. Apologize to the fellow you insulted and move on.

  2. Japan: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only country who bows lower to corporations than the US of A.

    1. Re:Japan: by fnj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Parent would be correct, or at the very least it's a tie. Mod'ing someone down for telling the truth only shows what a sack of shit the moderator is.

    2. Re:Japan: by jrumney · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Parent would be correct, or at the very least it's a tie.

      It's not a tie. While a few very high profile sites like Pandora and NetFlix geoblock consumers from outside the US, most internet radio from the US is available worldwide. But try finding a Japanese internet radio station that plays music and is not blocked from outside Japan. Also, if you ever get the chance to watch the news on NHK Worldwide, witness how the entire sports segment of the news has the video replaced by a graphic stating "Due to rights issues, the video for this item is not available outside Japan", even though most of the sports being shown are local Japanese events that do not have rights holders outside of Japan to complain, and any other news channel is fine with showing short snippets of non-live sport, under fair use news reporting exceptions to whatever exclusive broadcast rights are in place for the sport.

    3. Re:Japan: by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like you believe Korea does not even exist!

      Corporations are an extension of government - it should not surprise anyone when they work together.

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    4. Re:Japan: by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have you actually read one of these magazines? I have a few of them here and they are quite incredible from a westerner's point of view.

      I have a couple that are all about downloading, one focused on BitTorrent and the other on Share and Winny. They have huge lists of web sites that index warez, films, TV shows and porn, each one rated for you. They explain how to download and set up emulators, how to burn Playstation 2 games to DVD and chip your console, how to use a Nintendo DS flash card and so forth. On the first page there is a tiny warning about not breaking copyright laws, then 90 pages of how to break copyright laws.

      That is the real story here. The fact that the police picked this particular bit of software as their way of prosecuting these guys is just an aside. Personally I love those mags but I can understand why the police were under pressure to find a way of taking action.

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  3. Journalists? by tomhath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Two warnings were issued to Sansai Books by three industry organizations, including the Japan Video Software Association, protesting the sale of the guidebook, but the publisher continued to offer the product.

    There are ways to dispute a law you disagree with. Disobeying it is usually not a good way.

    1. Re:Journalists? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are ways to dispute a law you disagree with. Disobeying it is usually not a good way.

      I disagree. Civil disobedience, historically speaking, is a very effective method to bring about political change. The founding of the U.S. itself is steeped in civil disobedience.

      The simple fact is, most people don't give a shit about injustice until it effects them personally. Civil disobedience brings it to their doorstep and forces them to acknowledge it. It took people occupying segregated lunch counters in the South before civil rights were really addressed 50 years ago, just as it took people occupying lower Manhattan to get wealth inequality really addressed today. Whether you agree with the protesters or not is irrelevant (and I'm really not interested in a bunch of ranting responses about the Occupy movement one way or the other, honestly); it forced those issues into the limelight. Mission: Accomplished.

    2. Re:Journalists? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      Right, because I forgot about how much change has happened against unjust laws by people following them and just writing letters to their congressman. I forgot all the monumental change that has happened because of that.

      Oh wait, that never happened and it will never happen. I remember back during the early days of the DMCA I wrote in a letter to my congressman urging him to oppose it. A few days later I get a letter back assuring me that he was -supporting- it.

      Civil disobedience is really the only way to protest effectively and get real change.

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    3. Re:Journalists? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Not only a good way, but perhaps the best. Disobeying a law often results in the government responding in clearly disproportionate and unfair ways that the public can then see (especially if you garner any press), which then draws public support to something they weren't too concerned about before or may not even have been aware of, before. It is the cornerstone of civil disobedience and civil rights movements of all kinds. Kindly obeying and quietly petitioning for change will almost never accomplish what forcing government or business into over-reacting before the eyes of the public will.

    4. Re:Journalists? by LocalH · · Score: 2

      "wealth inequality"

      So nobody should ever have more money than anyone else?

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    5. Re:Journalists? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the point is, those without money should still get quality education, healthcare, and a chance at advancing themselves

      but current tax laws in the USA and American social policies advanced by the right are stratifying society, permanently

      meaning, if you are poor or middle class, you get inferior education, healthcare, and no chance to advance socioeconomically

      the point of life should be to better yourself. not to slave your entire life for someone who already has a lot of money, always will have a lot of money, never suffers for their crimes in the same way as the poor, and lives in a system rigged so that they, their children, and their grandchildren, can never possibly be poor. while those are poor, their children, and their grandchildren, are in such a rigged system they can never possibly be rich

      that's wealth inequality. a class society. that's where the USA is headed with the right wing republican political agenda

      the USA should be a MERITOCRACY. this is not what we have. what we have are country club boys complaining that the poor don't understand hard work, while they get a cushy job where they hardly exert any effort, just for chumming with the dad of their friend. meanwhile, the poor and middle class bust their ass, sometimes in two jobs, and live paycheck to paycheck, where the smallest of accidents or healthcare emergencies can ruin their entire lives

      THAT'S wealth inequality, and it is not a free society

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    6. Re:Journalists? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The simple fact is, most people don't give a shit about injustice until it effects them personally.

      Not true. 2 million people protested against invading Iraq in the UK. The problem is that they are powerless. We invaded Iraq anyway. Come election time when we could have thrown the government out we also had to consider things like the economy and the fact that the other lot were tossers and would probably have done the same.

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    7. Re:Journalists? by Cwix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, people shouldn't be allowed to have many, many orders of magnitude more then the average person.

      When the CEO makes 200 million and the employees make minimum wage, then something is wrong. When someone can watch people who live on the streets suffer from menatl and physical ailments and they feel nothing, then something is wrong. When someone makes more money the the GDP for some small countries, then something is very very wrong. Then when you grant personhood to a corp, something is so wrong its not even comical anymore.

      Just having more does not make wealth inequality except in the strictest of definitions. Its when you have more money then a very large swath of the population put together that you get wealth inequality.

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    8. Re:Journalists? by Troed · · Score: 2

      There are examples of civil disobedience bringing about change. Women's suffrage and civil rights are good examples. But many, many more changes have been brought about by working within the system than by working against it.

      Have you actually verified that? The only way to progress a society is to break existing laws. If no one ever does, the society becomes static. Behavior changes first, laws describing the changed behavior comes afterwards.

    9. Re:Journalists? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > "wealth inequality"
      >
      > So nobody should ever have more money than anyone else?

      Not so much that it causes the French Revolution. Some things are a bad idea just as a matter of public policy. The idea that there should not be too much imbalance of wealth is an idea that the likes of Jefferson would have very much agreed with.

      It's not that he was some sort of anarchist or communist. He just acknowledged what that kind of imbalance tends to lead to.

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    10. Re:Journalists? by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      yes, i agree with everything you said, and i celebrate these facts

      now: what is the republican agenda in regards to what you have cited?

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  4. Interesting by ausrob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a wonder that the publishing company (Sansai Books) weren't issued some kind of ceast and desist letter first, considering the company did not break the law when the magazine was published *last year* (presumably well before the law was ammended). It sounds like they were probably selling back issues and may not have fully appreciated the situation.

  5. Two things come to mind by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfair Competition Prevention Law

    Most people would think that this law is designed to prevent unfair competition. What it really means is it's an unfair law to prevent competition.

    Also, getting governments to step on other people for you is apparently NOT unfair competition...

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    1. Re:Two things come to mind by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      Yep, but that's how it is with most laws. Consider the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970, reading the title you think it would require the bank to obtain less personal information, not to disclose its information and generally be more privacy friendly. Nope, instead it does the opposite, creating less bank secrecy and whole heck of a lot less privacy.

      All laws are newspeak.

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  6. Re:this is good by fnj · · Score: 2

    They are.

  7. Obey. by neoshroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are ways to dispute a law you disagree with. Disobeying it is usually not a good way.

    The bus driver said to Rosa Parks.

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    1. Re:Obey. by tomhath · · Score: 2

      That's why I qualified it with "usually". There are extreme situations.

    2. Re:Obey. by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She didn't just disobey it. She flagrantly disobeyed it, in full knowledge that the NAACP branch she was secretary of would support her. This is one of those exceptions where disobeying is a good idea.

      If these guys have decided to disobey the law in order to challenge it in the courts then that's cool, and I look forward to seeing their well prepared legal battle.

    3. Re:Obey. by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      I don't believe that the driver would have garnered enough sympathy to support a bus boycott.

  8. Re:Tyranny by v1 · · Score: 2

    When the written word become illegal for any reason - tyranny is the ruler.

    Free speech needs to have some limits. Bomb threats and yelling FIRE in a theatre are the most popular counter-examples. Slander, exposure of trade secrets, and insider-trading are just a handful of other arguable candidates.

    It IS possible for someone to clearly violate someone else's obvious rights under the guise of "freedom of speech". It can't just blindly be labeled "tyranny".

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  9. not in the USA by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in the USA, government is an extension of Corporations

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    1. Re:not in the USA by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

      yes, and on the subject of the far east, it is pretty much worse than the USA, it is practically social, political, and cultural foundation of the society:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

      these guys can do no wrong. it's like the british monarchy also ran apple, ibm, microsoft, google, ge, and gm. this is way beyond special treatments and regulations in your favor. it's not even corporatocracy. it's more like corporate monarchy

      someone: what's the term for this insane level of assimilation between political, corporate, and aristocratic power?

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    2. Re:not in the USA by Lisias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      someone: what's the term for this insane level of assimilation between political, corporate, and aristocratic power?

      Idiocracy.

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    3. Re:not in the USA by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      it's like the british monarchy also ran apple, ibm, microsoft, google, ge, and gm

      A better historical example: The East India Company.

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    4. Re:not in the USA by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      I would say the word you are looking for is feudalism, because like in the days of the barons these orgs are treated more like Gods than they are organizations of men. Those at the top wield almost Godlike power over all, they can make elections go their way, control governments, make the people believe what they desire through massive advertising campaigns, can even get the churches singing their praises by putting money in the right coffers.

      I would say looking back over history feudalism would be the term closest to describing the current situation in many countries, the only difference from the classical feudalism is the size and scope.

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  10. i really hate the word "idiocracy" by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    it doesn't mean anything. i've come to the conclusion the only people who like that word are, themselves, idiots

    society has problems. do you want to fix it? or just go "it's all stupid" and walk away thinking you've said something valuable and important?

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  11. Not really by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    There are various forms of corruption. There is the obvious south European method where every action requires a financial payment. This is obvious and the reason those countries are in such trouble from Greece to Mexico. But right in that same area, you got another kind. The corruption of the Catholic church that until quite recently claimed the Mafia was an invention of the communist to discredit the government. That was not just about rather generous kickbacks, it was a corruption of spirit. The Catholic church found that the accumulation of wealth by individuals at all costs was more wholesome then sharing the wealth, just like Christ teaches... oops oh wait.

    You have to remember that being a politician is not a position of logic but of faith. Politicians believe, doesn't matter what their religion is, communism, socialism or capitalism, they all believe and any doubt cast on their faith is treated in much the same way as most religious believers deal with it. Heretic, unbeliever!

    Japan is still ruled by very old men and they are old men that believe that their policies work. They did work, Japan had a huge economic miracle. Then the world changed and the old men didn't. They couldn't because their ideas and policies were not based on reality but on their fate in a system.

    The real problem with ruling a nation is that what is required at anyone time might change and even contradict itself. You would need to adopt to the facts rather then attempt to force you ideology on facts that don't listen. Take patents, they are both desperately needed and something that needs to be abolished. You can't rule this with absolutes, you need to compromise, go to extremes and then re-balance. ALL THE FUCKING TIME!

    The job market goes in direction X, balance it out with Y then re-balance with Z and do a bit of W just to test a theory out. Sometimes you need strong unions, sometimes you need them to give in and that can happen on the same day.

    But you can't run a party election system with that. How can you run a campaign with "I will do whatever the country requires at a particular point even if it hurts a group that can hurt me bad".

    So... we get politicians that grew up in a system, got their world view decades ago from teachers who couldn't do and making promises they can't keep.

    Luckily for Japan, the people are sheep.

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  12. Re:it's perfectly ok to be richer than someone els by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    There are simply too many examples of people going from nothing to something and becoming rich to make your view remotely valid. Some people's capacity isn't much more then working for someone else and some people's desire doesn't extend past that. There is where you are making your first mistake.

    The raw truth of the matter is that people mess their lives up well before they can get a job. This is especially true in poorer areas where parents tend to lack parenting skills or even parents and the child gets trapped into gangs, drugs, violence, crimes, and so on. This also happens in more affluent communities too, but not to the same degree.

    The republicans, as well as the democrats have no way of controlling that and your disdain for one is only a symptom of ignorance. The republicans have always been pro education, they just do not think the way the democrats seem to want to do things work. Take the NCLBA for instance. It said we are going to end the days of skipping over children's education and that teachers and schools, the very same people who claim to be able to get kids to learn and take jobs doing so, will have to find ways to teach kids or find new jobs. It was met with fierce opposition "how dare you expect teachers to teach every student under their charge". They specifically despised the alternative school provisions "how dare you give students of failing schools the ability to go to better performing schools so they can receive a quality education".

    Yet Obama came to power and repackaged the same old shit and called it a gem while speaking kindly of it.

    To blame any of you just said you thought was wrong on one party is only asking for more. Of course then again, ignorance is sometimes comforting. I guess you can always get satisfaction by getting more mad at republicans when democrat policies do the same.

  13. Re:it's perfectly ok to be richer than someone els by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    A smart kid will become a great person in spite of being poor. That happens quite often. There are literally hundreds of thousands of scholarships looking for the one smart poor kid just to say their organization was part of making that great person. That is of course unless he ruins his chances first by joining a gang or by committing some offensive crime or wasting his education opportunities.

    If you think the Arab Spring is coming to the US, the outcome will not be as you want. In the US, we are allowed to keep guns. Most people who do so are of the libertarian/republican mindset that think the federal government is limited in it's powers. The people who think like you tend to hide from guns and weapons and will be vastly outnumbered.

    Fairness has little to do with it either. Life simply is not fair. But we have this ability to make the best of the situations we find ourselves in.