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World Population Grows Beyond 7 Billion

First time accepted submitter assertation writes in with a LA Times feature about the booming world population and the strain it puts on the environment and governments. "After remaining stable for most of human history, the world's population has exploded over the last two centuries. The boom is not over: The biggest generation in history is just entering its childbearing years. The coming wave will reshape the planet, and the impact will be greatest in the poorest, most unstable countries."

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  1. god damn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Taco's wife needs to stop having kids.

  2. Bad news everyone by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    It also means that you've only got a 0.0000000143% chance of getting that coveted first post.

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  3. Alarmist by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The biggest generation in history is just entering its childbearing years.

    And fertility rates are dropping everywhere, and more people than ever are choosing to simply not have children. Of course by mentioning that, this article wouldn't be nearly as alarmist, so it was conveniently omitted.

    1. Re:Alarmist by brainzach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are safe from overpopulation in the developed world, but it is still a major problem for the billions in the developing world.

  4. We could easily stop this by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By bringing middle classes to developing nations. People who don't have to have litters to ensure that one child survives have one or two children, below the replacement rate. People who have careers and money to spend and cultural activities to take part in don't spend so much time screwing. And when they do, they realize that having extra children will prevent them from enjoying those luxuries.

    In short, the fight against overpopulation is the same as the fight against global inequality.

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    1. Re:We could easily stop this by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why I call the birth control pill the greatest boon to mankind since the smallpox vaccine.

      Except it means that the sensible people have few or no kids while the nutty cultists continue to have dozens. Doesn't take long for that to result in a world of nutty cultists and few sensible people.

  5. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Informative

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  6. Re:Good news everyone by tgd · · Score: 4, Funny

    The top 1% is based on income, not population.

    I may have found a contributing factor to you not being in the 1% ...

  7. 3 1/2 Billion Women... by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Funny

    and still none for the average /.er. ;-(

  8. Re:Just Stop! by teg · · Score: 3, Informative

    How many of those people starve to death everyday? People who cannot provide for their kids need to make a conscious effort to stop having them.

    It usually works the other way - when child mortality rate is high, you hedge your bets by getting more children so at least some grow up.

  9. Re:Colonization by busyqth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's just move Mars closer to the sun so it would be a more hospitable place.

  10. Re:leave! by magarity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    B5... ...and now we leave the cradle for the last time.

    The problem of course is it's going to be super hard to find funding and staff at the beginning since we know ahead of time what happens to B1-B4.

  11. Population Cap by DeeEff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Obligatory TED links, that might actually be a bit more insightful than TFA.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies.html
    http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html

    While I am skeptical that we'll have enough resources either way, I think that humans are going to have to adapt hard or the entire race will just fade away. This won't necessarily be a problem for a few generations, but there is very little left in this world that is untouched, or that we can leave untouched. Solutions to the energy crisis aside, food and water are still major concerns, and we can't infinitely increase the amount of farming, because we'll also need to increase our living spaces; however, this is unless we go full Tokyo and build above and below ourselves and learn to live in cramped situations. Even still, it will be an incredibly difficult feat to convince most Westerners that they aren't allowed cars anymore and that they need to walk or use trains to go to work. I don't mind myself, since I'm a student who uses trains and busing all the time, but few people want to give up the luxury of driving to work in favour of using a subway system (similar to how most east asian countries operate).

    In the meantime, I'm going to be developing my zombie formula so that I can do my part to end overpopulation. Call me if you can help, I'm trying to put a patent together so I can sue others who want to destroy the Earth while the zombies and lawyers (?difference) take over.

  12. Re:100% serious.... by tgd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ....that if i had a button which if pressed, would kill every man, woman and child; I would push it without hesitation.

    The problem with that is that you're effectively dooming three billion years of evolution to comparatively short term extinction.

    Humanity may be killing vast percentages of the biome, and may be causing substantial short term damage to the ecosphere, but its also the best opportunity the planet has had, or likely will ever have, to getting off the planet. And life that doesn't get off the planet will end, period. The odds are there won't be a second chance. Could intelligence arise again? Its possible. Its also possible it has arisen before.

    The problem is one of opportunity. Getting life off this rock doesn't take intelligence. It takes intelligence, the right series of events making that kind of capability important to be developed, *AND*, most importantly, it will require some hypothetical future species to have access to vast amounts of energy.

    Guess what, we've used up virtually all of the dense sources of energy that can be recovered without technology. The conditions that led to the development of coal, oil and natural gas involve geological and environmental conditions that in concert won't likely happen again.

    So your short-sighted action would likely save one small potential set of life that otherwise wouldn't have a chance to exist, but would essentially guarantee an end to the entire chain of life in another half billion or billion years.

  13. Re:Colonization by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oceans and deserts are even closer, and probably the investment needed to sustain a lot of people is smaller.

  14. Re: Total, Ugly, Disaster by SternisheFan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "We need regulations that strictly govern who is allowed to reproduce and how many babies can be born. That is unpleasant and almost unthinkable but it must be done." *** And may I suggest we begin the sterilization with YOU!

  15. Re:Just Stop! by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the us native-born reproductive rate is 2.

    2.1 is required for the population to stay the same.

    The US only has a growing population because of the higher birth rate among immigrants

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#United_States

  16. Re:What nonsense by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the advent of medicine, however, mortality rates plummeted but birth rates did not.

    I'm not sure that's the case - at least not here in the US. If you go back to my parents generation all the families had 5-7 children without fail. Some had more than that (my grandfather on my mother's side came from a family of 14).

    Fastforward to modern times. None of my aunts or uncles had more than 3 kids per family. Between my own generation I'm seeing more like 1 or 2 kids per family. Part of it may be the increased cost of raising children - part of it may be the increased number of women in the workplace (where each child is not only time off from work for recovery but without a parent at home each is another daycare bill). I'm sure a large part of it is simply the invention of birth control.

    Regardless, birth rates per family (if not for the planet as a whole) seem to have come down significantly in the last 50 years.

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  17. We're all going to die! by jeffasselin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "This natural inequality of the two powers, of population, and of production of the earth, and that great law of our nature which must constantly keep their effects equal, form the great difficulty that appears to me insurmountable in the way to the perfectibility of society."

    Thomas Malthus, 18th century.

    People have been saying that the "end is near" since human beings developed speech. None have been right. Ockam's razor and the law of induction tells me they won't be in the future.

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  18. Re:Good news everyone by Antipater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless I'm missing some hidden factor that forces groups of people's net worths to be exactly equal, then I'd say that "assuming everyone is worth a different amount" is a very valid assumption. Even if you magically redistributed everything to be exactly equal, that would end as soon as one person wanted extra pepperoni on their pizza.

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  19. Re:Just Stop! by CubicleZombie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the US is one of the exceptions, where the more affluent population continues to have more than multiple children.

    The intelligent hardworking people I know have two, one, or no children. The dumbest and poorest just keep pushing them out. It's exactly like the movie Idiocracy.

    It doesn't help that we have a social system that rewards low income high birth rate. My wife and I will have to make a tough decision when it comes to offspring #2. Can we afford it or not? If we can't, I'll get snipped and we'll just go on working to pay for other people's children through welfare, food stamps, WIC, EIC, Section 8, school lunch vouchers, head start, etc, etc, etc. Our standard of living would improve if we both just quit working and had more children.

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  20. also 100% serious.... by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you kill yourself then the effect is the same, from your point of view.

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  21. Re:Good news everyone by Razgorov+Prikazka · · Score: 3, Funny

    More than 490.000.000.000 tonnes of meat, 600.000.000 colour blind people, 700.000.000 people with Herpes, 70.000.000 people with syphilis, 140.000.000 severely mentally retarded people and an equal amount of highly intelligent people. And the list goes on if you talk about percentages! Oh, and while I am at it, one would need 280 grams of Botulinum type A toxin to kill half of them.
    I'm not saying one should, but one could. I don't want to ruin anyone's day you know...

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  22. fixed that for you by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Informative

    Biology got us into this situation.

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  23. Re:Good news everyone by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your question is too vague. Do you mean what percentage of people fall within the top 1% of personal wealth? That doesn't have a 1:1 correlation with population.

    "top 1%" requires definition of what the 1% applies to specifically, and how it's measured.

    For example, suppose you add up all the total wealth, then take 1% of that and figure out how many people are in that category? You will come out with a different number than if you take the wealthiest person and the poorest person, and take 1% of that range and figure out how many people fall in that 1%.

  24. Random things... by trims · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firstly, TFA is dead wrong in stating that human population has been relatively stable throughout most human history. This is blatantly false, for anyone who has bothered to look at the historical record. In pre-history, human populations have varied wildly, from up to several dozen million to possibly as low as several tens of thousands. Likewise, once "civilization" has started, human populations have obeyed a rather steadily increasing geometric curve. We notice now because we're finally at the heel portion of the hockeystick curve where the numbers start increasing quickly.

    Secondly, the decline in number of children per woman is primarily tied to increasing Woman's Rights in a society. The closer women are treated like property (both culturally and legally), the higher the number of children borne, and the inverse when women and men are treated equally. Women's Rights is also closely correlated (and, likely a causative factor) in development of a significant middle class. Religion only has an impact in so far as it affects Women's Rights (which, it certainly can have a very negative impact).

    Also, there are two major factors that aren't really addressed in TFA: lack of energy, and water. Advanced civilizations require ludicrously larger amounts of power than low-tech societies, and, even with conservation, this isn't going to change. We need power to run our 1st world countries, and the more everyone else tries to emulate us, power requirements will be exponential (probably high exponential) in growth. Until we have real clean energy, this energy demand and the side effects of providing energy is going to be the number one environmental pressure. On the other hand, (decreasing) access to clean water for both drinking and agriculture is something that is radically reshaping societies, as we can't really de-salinize enough to make a difference at this point, and we're well on our way to draining many historical water sources out of existence. Water will be the new oil which people fight over, likely very, very soon. It's already a major friction point in the Middle East and Indian subcontinental areas.

    To quote the old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

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  25. Re:Colonization by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    New Orleans should never have happened IMHO. Much of it is below sea level. Effectively, it's a giant bowl. The pumps are constantly moving water out 24/7. That's a lot of energy being used on a daily bases just to keep it from flooding.

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  26. Re:Good news everyone by tgd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yet you aren't either. Likely because you don't actually understand how math works. You're using a simplistic equation that assumes everyone is worth different amounts, and thus you get a nice linear vector where you can chop off 1%. That's not likely true at all.

    Actually, if we're going to go there, I am... and comfortably so. Although the reality is the 99% of the 1% have a lot more in common with the bottom 1% of the 99% than the 1% of the 1%.

    And, of course, my original post was mocking your brain fart, not really attempting to make any socio-political statement about any correlation of internet gaffes to wealth or the intelligence or lack thereof of any particular income bracket.

    Now, I suppose the fact that everyone else seems to understand that and you missed it might suggest an additional set of evidence related to my original assertion, so perhaps the joke was a little too close to home.

  27. Re:Colonization by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Netherlands?

    Not the same situation. While you can also question the wisdom of "reclaiming land from the sea" as the Dutch have done, they did it in modern times using dikes. Further, the Dutch have a stable landmass with bedrock underneath. New Orleans literally goes away over time without fresh annual flooding, as it's nothing but delta silt built up over time with no bedrock underneath. People can't live with flooding, but without flooding, the landmass eventually goes away. New Orleans may be the single worst place to build a city in North America. And nothing we do can change that.

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  28. Re:What nonsense by Algae_94 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The birth rate decline in western nations correlates best with raising educations. If this is the true cause, improving educations in third world nations is the solution. A more educated populace will decide on their own that having so many children is a bad idea.

  29. Re:And the news gonna be badder still by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not science, technology. Learn the difference.

    Since you want to split hair -

    Where are you going to get any advancement in technology without advancement and more understanding in Science?

    Technology advanced by trial and error for millennia before science AWKI existed. Maybe you could say that trial and error is a form of science, but I wouldn't. Trial and error doesn't require understanding *why* the new idea works better.

    Even today technology isn't entirely science-driven. We have rigorous mathematical approaches to engineering, but we still get sent beck to the drawing board whenever a bridge collapses or an airplane falls out of the sky.

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