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Web Giants Form US Internet Lobby Group

judgecorp writes "Google, Facebook, eBay and Amazon have apparently set up the Internet Association to lobby the US government on issues relating to online business. From the article: 'The Internet Association, which will open its doors in September, will act as a unified voice for major Internet companies, said President Michael Beckerman, a former adviser to the chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives' Energy and Commerce Committee.'"

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  1. Ick by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put simply, there are too few "voices of conscience" in that list for my comfort.

    1. Re:Ick by rednip · · Score: 2

      they are trying to protect themselves against the government attack.

      Name one time in American History that the average citizen has been able to successfully defend themselves from civil authorities. The Branch Davidians? Ruby Ridge? The Whiskey Rebellion? Just holding a gun at the wrong time is often called 'suicide by cop'. The American Revolution and the Civil War ware both revolts of the local civil authority against the wishes of many of it's constituents.

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  2. Goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Lets figure out how we can keep people communicating insecurely without privacy, while exploiting their ignorance and hunger for low-quality goods"

    Ideally, this leads to a future with virtual cars that no longer consume gas. We just probably lack the proper MMORPG to represent life, but I am sure we can do wonders with some better government support. We just need to grease the wheels with more campaign contributions.

  3. Call me a cynic but.... by tebee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it's a sad reflection on our political system that we need to do this.

    The next question is will it be it be dishonest enough to grease the right palms and have some real influence?

    But it's good that such a large industry now has a voice there.
         

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    1. Re:Call me a cynic but.... by justforgetme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Good: The greater web gets a voice in the US lobby
      The Bad: The voice belongs to people who make fortunes about exploiting web participant's data...

      Really this can be a win situation or a lose situation. No one will know until they actually bring something up.
      Still it is very soon to be just running around yelling "Hurray"

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  4. Gee, thanks SOPA. Sort of. by Kelson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember this being something that came up during the fight over SOPA: Namely, that while the entertainment industry is used to lobbying the government, the tech industry was fractured and didn't see lobbying as a high priority, so the success Hollywood had at railroading some of those crazy ideas just blindsided them. (Stacked hearings, deliberately ignoring experts, etc.) It became clear that something would have to level the field, and since we know the RIAA, MPAA and friends aren't going to back off on their lobbying (and we know the government isn't going to stop listening to lobbyists), the solution is a tech lobby.

    1. Re:Gee, thanks SOPA. Sort of. by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      If the internet is the wild wild west then I reserve the right to rope Chris Dodd and Jan Brewer together and drag them down a dirt road behind a crowdfunded fucking horse.

      Most of us would rather not live in the mythic wild west that so distorts the US psyche.

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  5. Free Lunch on K Street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great. It's good to see these underrepresented citizens with limited economic power finally have a voice in Washington.

  6. Got to be In it to win it... by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

    Got to be In it to win it... Into corruption I mean, to win laws favourable to your industry. Ick, how "democracy" has degenerated...

    1. Re:Got to be In it to win it... by justforgetme · · Score: 2

      Mathematically democracy is about what you deserve as a collection, so you can't really degenerate it. Corruption is just part of the reward. The thing about what's best is a bit of a myth.

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    2. Re:Got to be In it to win it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Democracy is about proportional representation, something the USA doesn't know about with its First Past the Post system.

    3. Re:Got to be In it to win it... by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, however the biggest bidder of all is the Military Industrial Complex. They have developed lots of new toys and techniques to "control crowds". All specifically designed so that you, citizen, are never allowed to trim that derelict hedge... ever. Just look at what they are throwing at Julian Assange/Wikileaks, the first modern journalist/publishing platform designed to inform citizens on how corrupt, dirty and vile our governments have really become.

    4. Re:Got to be In it to win it... by mjr167 · · Score: 3, Informative

      A lot of problems could be solved if we just took the D and R off the balots. Just think if you had to know the name of the guy you were voting for!

    5. Re:Got to be In it to win it... by daem0n1x · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As if the system is not personalised enough! People should vote for policies, not faces. We don't need any more vain politicians with bloated egos spitting out demagogic bullshit while taking bribes^H^H^H^H^H^H contributions from big corporations.

  7. An Idea they should raise by LittleBigScript · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about outlawing Software Patents? It costs them more than it costs me, and it isn't even a barrier to entry.

  8. Re:I'm 50-50 on this, I guess. by darkain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "they [facebook] contribute little back"

    http://opencompute.org/

    https://github.com/facebook/

    Facebook is giving back some rather large projects to the global open source community.

  9. The people's lobby by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If laws are bought by the lobbiest with the most cash, why not start kickstarter campaigns for various sensible laws and see if we can outbid the corporations. Some laws are bought with surprisingly desultory amounts of cash. Not that's it's a particularly important law, but as an example i bet if you started a kickstarter to lobby for the legalisation of cannabis, you'd get millions. And for the abolition of the TSA.

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    1. Re:The people's lobby by tomhath · · Score: 2

      There are many "people's" lobbies. The common perception of them is that they represent special interests, which of course they do. Think unions, NRA, Tea Party, etc. Yea, I hear the screaming that the ebil corporations are behind some of them, but for the most part they're supported by people with an interest in the subject. That's how politics works.

  10. Internet Cartel by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This "association" is a gang of monopolists who grudgingly admit they can't eliminate each other as competition, so they join together to avoid competing. In other words, a cartel. That plans to enforce their cartel with government power.

    Why not? They're basically 21st Century phone companies. The telco cartel worked out so well in the 20th Century that it hauled in many hundreds of $BILLIONS, and even wiretapped every American for years with impunity - forging the basis of power for this new generation cartel.

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  11. Re:Bad deal. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

    The corporation doesn't just want your money. It wants whatever possible power might be used somehow to get any of your money, even a little bit of it.

    At least the government is controlled by a majority of voters, each of whom gets one vote. With exceptions where corporations have actually rigged the vote. The main problem is getting a majority of adult citizens to vote for people they're adequately informed about. Which fails mostly where corporations actually rig the turnout and the informing.

    Democratic government is a problem that can be solved adequately. Corporate government, or corporate anarchy, cannot be solved adequately except by democratic government.

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  12. Lobbying should not be allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RANT

    Lobbyists are one of the major problems with the U.S. government, they serve no legitimate function and are nothing but vectors of corruption. Corporate apologists will argue that corporations need representation too but they would be lying to you. Corporations are made up of people, and each person (that is a citizen) has one vote, the same as everyone else. Corporations, through lobbyists, should not be allowed to buy specialty legislation (like the extension to copyright that was purchased by Disney). All legislation that comes out of Washington should support the public good, not a few of the rich and powerful.

    /RANT

  13. A "unified" voice? by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    For...who exactly?
    So we've got an ad company, a company that steals and sells personal data, a dwindling marketplace, and a growing marketplace.
    Yes, these four companies are totally represent the internet well... /sarcasm

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