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RIAA Admits SOPA Wouldn't Have Stopped Piracy

jfruh writes "One of the arguments against the now-dormant SOPA legislation was that, in addition to eroding Internet freedom, it would also be ineffective in stopping music piracy. Well, according to a leaked report, the RIAA agrees with the latter argument. The proposed laws would 'not likely to have been an effective tool for music,' according to the report. Another interesting revelation is that, despite the buzz and outrage over P2P sharing, most digital music piracy takes place via sneakernet, with music moving among young people on hard drives and ripped CDs."

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  1. Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I almost feel guilty every time I make a copy for someone. Almost.

    Gotta upgrade to USB3. Copies take days.

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    1. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't.

      Make the labels feel guilty for making such a system possible by not upgrading their ways.

      They are the ones who actually came out and straight-up said they don't give a damn about the digital age and won't support it, and will do anything in their power to destroy it.
      Megaupload was the most successful thing they have ever had against such a digital service.
      Of course, now the evidence is piling up that the entire case was illegal to begin with and not a single shred of evidence was in their favor in the slightest.

      Just keep spreading around that the labels are corrupt, make as much noise as possible and let the artists themselves know about it.
      They are the ones who need the most help.
      They are the ones who are duped in to thinking the labels are even needed anymore. It was true over a decade ago, not so much now.
      The labels job as-is is completely useless for any artist. You could take them out and artists, choreographers, singers, bands, CG modellers, stores, printing companies and so on could still find each other pretty damn easily.

      Maybe one day we will have a world where creative content is free of these restrictions and it is loyalty that is rewarded.

    2. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The labels are not needed for the artists, but they are needed for the entertainers. Do you really think Justin Beiber would have gotten anywhere without a billion dollar marketing machine? With independent artists, music would be about the music and people would find the music they like. The marketed entertainment industry dwarfs the music industry, and that is what they are fighting for.

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    3. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by cfulton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Once again the "Free Market" prevails. We have Justin Beiber instead of good music. Thank God! Who would want a world in which talented creative people are well rewarded for their work and untalented teen age boys were simply teen age boys instead of semi-iconic sex idols for prepubescent girls. I for one happily bow to the marketing overlords.

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    4. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Justin Beiber wouldn't be popular unless a lot of people actually liked his music, as hard as that is to believe. A result of marketing he may be, but they are marketing something people clearly want. The fundamental problem is most people have terrible taste in music. The labels are just pandering to that.

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    5. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People do not want good music. People want to be popular. Entertainment marketing is about convincing people they will be popular if they like (and purchase) a particular kind of entertainment. The trick is producing entertainment watered down enough that you can get a large number of people to not hate it.

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    6. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by equex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Justin Beiber is what people want, because it is marketed that way. People don't just have a terrible taste in music, they are also willing products of the marketing industry. (aka fashion)

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    7. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by Genda · · Score: 2

      And Pavlov was able to get dogs to drool when they heard a bell... your point is?

    8. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by Genda · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its way more than that.... they will be popular, they will be young and beautiful forever, they will never die, have bad breath, fart, or be embarrassed. The machine whispers in your ear and tells you anything for the privilege of lightening your wallet, and locking down a few more neurons. Its ultimate goal is to rob the world of the capacity to form individual thoughts or make rational decisions. Is it not time to kill the machine.

    9. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only that, but Justin Beiber (going from info on his movie) actually had to go around the standard labels and get popular by putting videos up on YouTube and touring around the US doing concerts at highschools and county fairs as well as doing radio appearances. This is because the labels didn't think music from a 16 year old boy would sell, especially from a person that was previously unknown for anything. By the time he had an album released, he already had quite a following. There's a million examples of artists that are the result of the music industry marketing machine. Justin Beiber is probably one of the worst examples you could pick.

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    10. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And yet, if marketroids were geeks, they'd be hailed as successful culture hackers. But they're not part of Us, so they are reviled among Polite Company[tm]

      Here's another thought: maybe some people out there are different from you, and prefer different forms of entertainment. Nah, crazy idea. We all love NPR, don't we? Every last one of us. I mean, if you don't love Peruvian hick music...I mean folk music...then you're hardly a person, eh?

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    11. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Justin Beiber wouldn't be popular unless a lot of people actually liked his music, as hard as that is to believe.

      No, I think most people dislike Justin Bieber. It just happens that the very specific demographic that likes his music is also a demographic that has nothing but disposable income, oodles of time to waste listening to bad music, immature musical tastes, and a greater need to follow the crowd than any other age group. Their customers are fools with nothing they're saving their money for. That makes it the most profitable sector of the music industry, and that's why they're the most influential.

      It has nothing to do with popularity among most people.

    12. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nobody liked Rebecca Black. People liked making fun of Rebecca Black.

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    13. Re:Portable HD with 25K+ CDs worth of music. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      This is because the labels didn't think music from a 16 year old boy would sell, especially from a person that was previously unknown for anything.

      And this after how many decades of "boy bands"? One could argue that The Beatles are the original boy band, although they actually had some amount of talent. Certainly it wasn't much less than 20 years ago when boy bands really became popular.

  2. Logic by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    Next up: Legislation requiring all hard drives, thumb drives and other storage devices to be registered with the government. You will need to transfer ownership of all devices and must submit monthly logs of any device your storage medium has been connected to regardless of whether or not it was accessed or even powered on.

    Additional fees may apply for concealed carry SD cards.

    1. Re:Logic by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Next stop: Wetware and stacking your brain.

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    2. Re:Logic by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The title of the bill will feature both "child pornography" and "terrorist".

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    3. Re:Logic by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      I just can't wait for the legislation sponsered by the RIAA that simply allows the labels to send armed gaurds to anyone's home and hold them up for wallet cash and loose change at any time.

      Won't happen, the government doesn't like anyone infringing on their monopoly.

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  3. No? No! by Sasayaki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course not. The point was NOT to endlessly funnel more money towards the RIAA, the MPAA and their respective legal teams, but to take the modest and humble earnings from lawsuits and return all of it to the artistssshhhahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa.

    Man I crack myself up sometimes.

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  4. No category for free legal downloads? by diversiform · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I get most of my music via free, legal downloads from artists and labels that offer them for promotional reasons. But I don't see this on the chart at all. Am I unusual, or was this deliberately left out of the RIAA's calculations?

  5. Yeah, it still left too much internet Freedom by Andrio · · Score: 2

    "SOPA wouldn't have stopped piracy... It wasn't powerful enough! We'd need legislature that takes away even more internet freedom! The new bill we're going to be lobbying for will allow us to stop piracy once and for all. In addition, it'll stimulate the economy, create new jobs, and combat terrorism."

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  6. SOPA by Dmritard96 · · Score: 2

    RIAA dropped the SOPA?

  7. MPAA backed SOPA by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    From what I've heard, it was the MPAA that really pushed SOPA. The RIAA didn't think it would help them much, but, of course, weren't going to say no if given SOPA-powers. (Yes, I notice that looks like "super-powers." Does this make the MPAA a "SOPA-villain?")

    Don't think for a second that the RIAA has gone all cuddly and pro-sharing, however. With SOPA defeated, the RIAA is making themselves busy pushing laws that they think would benefit them at the expense of customers.

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  8. So 1990s ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The RIAA wants us to repurchase our media collection every few years to change formats so they can include DRM. It was bad enough that my 500+ cassette tape collection needed to be repurchased as CD audio. I was pissed, but the difference in audio quality really did matter to me for most of them. OTOH, my Judas Priest tapes weren't repurchased.

    Around 1996, I converted my thousands of music CDs bought during the years of BMC Music club membership into MP3 files. It took me over a year doing about 5 CDs every day to finish. Usually 2 before work and 1-3 in the evenings. Computers were much slower back then, so doing a rip/lame was about 45 minutes per CD. It was like eating an elephant one bite at a time.

    Every few years, I need to move those files to new storage media. Of course, they are backed up too - there's no chance that I'll be redoing all that time and effort again. When I need to move the data, I don't use a sneaker net. I have a real network, thank you.

    I was unhappy with some of the prices of those CDs, but at least I "own" it. Clearly I was confused. I'm unhappy with current pricing for electronic music and don't believe I "own" anything afterwards. It isn't exactly "property". It feels imaginary. At least the question whether a music file will play on my systems today or in 50 yrs from now has finally been answered - no DRM.

    SONY's attempt with a rootkit convinced me to never put a music CD into a mainstream OS again AND it proved to me never to trust big content companies AND never to buy software or hardware that is required to support their business failing DRM models.

    I've tried a few different DRM-encumbered music files over the years through free samples.
    The "Plays-for-Sure" stuff never played.
    The Apple stuff never played.
    Those failures convinced me to never buy music electronicly.

    RIAA - "You've Got Another Thing Comin'"
    I'm not "breaking the law" here.

  9. Maybe not the point by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Call me paranoid, but sometimes I think that some of the anti-piracy proposals are not about stopping piracy. SOPA, for example, could have made it impossible for a site like YouTube to exist, which in turn would make it difficult to share user-generated content. Because it made it dangerous to host user content and content from independent sources, it would risk forcing sites to only allow content being distributed from major corporate sources who could be verified to own the content.

    It's not certain, but it could have been viewed as pushing us back towards broadcast networks where ISPs and large media companies act as gatekeepers on what information and entertainment you have access to.

    1. Re:Maybe not the point by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      As an internet giant, youtube would be safe. It's smaller sites that would be shut down. If SOPA had been around back when youtube was a new startup, it'd have been crushed then. One big effect of SOPA would be to make it easy for larger companies to shut down smaller competitors, ensuring that control of the internet remained in the hands of a select wealthy few.

    2. Re:Maybe not the point by digitalaudiorock · · Score: 2

      It's clear that these groups just don't like the nature of the open internet at all, and they won't be happy until it's reduced to the likes of pay TV, where we're all just spectators.

    3. Re:Maybe not the point by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I don't know if that's true. Apparently one of the complaints that SOPA was meant to address was that people were posting content on Youtube and Google wasn't necessarily taking it down until the copyright holder requested a takedown. One of the big parts of the bill was that it took the legal responsibility from the copyright holder to seek out and police violations of their property, and instead placed it on the web host to be policing their sites for violations of other people's copyrights.

      So essentially it would mean that Google would be held legally responsible for copyright violations on Youtube, even if no one had notified them that there was a copyright violation and given Google the opportunity to take it down. That would make Youtube too large of a liability to keep active, which was to my understanding one of the reasons Google vehemently opposed SOPA.

  10. 1996? Really? by silverspell · · Score: 2

    Around 1996, I converted my thousands of music CDs bought during the years of BMC Music club membership into MP3 files. It took me over a year doing about 5 CDs every day to finish. Usually 2 before work and 1-3 in the evenings. Computers were much slower back then, so doing a rip/lame was about 45 minutes per CD. It was like eating an elephant one bite at a time.

    Every few years, I need to move those files to new storage media. Of course, they are backed up too - there's no chance that I'll be redoing all that time and effort again.

    1996? Either you're off by a few years, or you were a very early adopter...and at an average of 50MB per CD, you would've needed at least 100GB for "thousands" of CDs (i.e. 2000 CDs minimum). Hard drives that large weren't commonly available for another five years.

    Plus I'd imagine those encodings sound dramatically worse than what you could get five years later at the same bitrate. Moreover, 128k was the custom at the time (onion on belt, etc.), and the old 128k files I have from the late '90s sound truly horrible today. All the high frequency transients turn into jangling keyrings.

    So, uh...are you sure that Clinton was in office when you started this project?

  11. Yeah... right. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if SOPA had passed, we'd be hearing from the MAFIAA all about how it was a decisive, history-making victory for artists.

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  12. Re:The real sneakernet by Genda · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe you need the following display to assist with proper sneaker net age determination...

    AGE .................... MEDIA

    Babylon 1 Star ............. Clay Tablet
    Beyond Farting ............ Papyrus
    Farts Dust .................. Parchment .... (What's a sneaker?)
    Forbidden Planer star . Printed paper
    Star Trek star ............ Reel Tape
    Old Fart ................... Paper punch card deck
    Star Wars star ........ 8" 180 KB Floppy
    Middle Aged .......... 360 KB Floppy
    STNG Star ........... 1.44 MB Floppy
    Babalon 5 star ..... Tape Cassette
    Young Man .......... CD
    Youngun ............. DVD
    Todler ............... Flashcard
    Infant ............... Flashdrive

  13. MPAA / RIAA were scapegoats. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

    My theory is that the US Government was using the RIAA/MPAA as a proxy to get this rammed through.

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