Fedora 18 To Feature the GNOME2 Fork MATE

dsinc writes "It's not just Mint: Fedora will also feature MATE in their upcoming release (Fedora 18). According to Fedora's Dan Mashal, 'many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3.'" This follows shortly after news that MATE 1.4 has been released. New features includes file sharing over bluetooth, updated backends for mate-keyring and libmatekeyring, new themes for the notification daemon, and improvements to the Caja file manager. MATE is being included in Sabayon as well.

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Perhaps supporting R100/R200 was a good idea...

[sethstorm]

Given how many decent, albeit old, chips covered by the Gnome 3 blacklist - this shouldn't be a surprise.

In addition, not much was ever said about the blacklist other than "R100/R200/$chip just can't handle it" without specifying how something that worked in Gnome 3.0 didn't work in later versions. The excuse generally has been along the lines of "STFU and enjoy the fallback, since your chip is too old" without a reasonable explanation of why it even happened. Never mind that Gnome 3 goes out of its way to make sure a blacklisted chipset stays in fallback to the best of its ability - without any opportunity to override.

Re:We're all missing the point

[blind biker]

Also, unrelated, but I feel like the GNOME 3 hate is really blown out of proportion. Sure, some users were driven away, but the exact same thing happened with GNOME 2 and people called it trash and crap and whatever else. By the time that GNOME 3 is mature and more stable, it will have a large userbase again. I can guarantee it. I, personally, really love it as it is, especially how easily extensible it is. I don't know another desktop that allows so many customization options through extensions like that. You can really change near everything with a little tweak and you can write one yourself in minutes.

That's bullshit - I was there when Gnome 2 was born. There were some critics, but nowhere near the backlash that accompanies Gnome 3.

Your post reminds me exactly of the Windows Vista apologists: they would say things like "When Windows XP came out, there were just as many people who hated it. like the ones who hate Vista. In the end, it will be a success like XP." Turns out, all those apologists were full of shit, and Vista really is the turd that everybody thought it was.

Re:Way to go.

[erroneus]

Fragmentation is only bad when we have something everyone already likes and the fragmentation breaks it. Say, for example, a whole project kind of splits up and each goes in a separate direction which are both different from the original direction. Usually everyone loses in that case.

But when a single choice is made to change which most people simply hate, it's bad too. It's not fragmentation but it's still bad for the users and bad for the project.

In the end, it's the interests of the users which make or break a project. People treat projects and children similarly and it's a damned shame. "My child!" "My Project!" "I can do with it what I want!" Wrong. You can't and you shouldn't. It's a community thing and the community has an interest in the results of your work.

Re:NOT for touch screens

[pscottdv]

I suppose they THINK they are developing for touch screen devices. But they are fooling themselves. I ran into the problems I described within the first 2 minutes of using Gnome 3 on a touch-screen-only device.

That tells me that not one gnome shell developer runs Gnome 3 on a touch-screen-only device. Not one. Seriously. Because if there was such a developer, he or she would have run across the same problem within the first two minutes of use. Connect to encrypted WiFi? Can't be done without a keyboard. Resume from suspend? Again, can't be done without a keyboard. Type a tilda? Can't do it without a keyboard or a third-party on-screen keyboard program.

These aren't subtle little use-cases hiding in the corners. These are major problems that ANYONE attempting to use Gnome 3 on a touch-screen device will run into within the first couple of MINUTES of use. These are problems that the Gnome developers know about (because I have reported them) and that they have refused to address. They don't even comment on the bugs. They just let them sit. For years.