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Scientists Stage Funerals To Protest Against Cuts — a New Trend?

ananyo writes "Physicists, chemists and mathematicians in the UK are campaigning against their chief public funder (EPSRC) over reforms that they say threaten blue-skies research, kicking off their protest by toting a coffin to the Prime Minister in Downing Street. The reforms are a response to declining budgets and political pressure to focus science on areas that will produce economic benefits for the UK. Last month, over 2000 Canadian scientists marched to Parliament Hill with a coffin to protest against the Harper government's cuts to basic research and scientific facilities, which they believe undermine the quality of scientific evidence in government. With budget cuts to science expected in the U.S., is it time for scientists in U.S. — and perhaps elsewhere — to think about getting their retaliation in first and ready their coffins?"

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  1. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is an educated minority who does obviously but big business that can't make use of curiosity based research in the immediate quarter doesn't care, Joe Sixpack who is fearing unemployment due to a massive recession doesn't care. Political powers that are trying to "stabilize" the middle east by shooting at it don't care.

    So who, with power, cares?

    1. Re:Who cares? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You outline the real problem: so many big businesses don't seem to care beyond the next quarter. Extreme nearsightedness, it seems.

      You don't ever seem to see them taking a hit for the NOW, looking towards a payoff on the LATER. Always it's now now now.

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    2. Re:Who cares? by deapbluesea · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, people like DeltaHawk who spent 20 years building a diesel aircraft engine in order to reduce fuel consumption and lead particulate without ever making a single sale sure are short sighted SOBs. Or perhaps you're thinking of those shortsighted morons in the Innovation 1000 study who spent $550B on R&D in 2010. Thank goodness we have /. to put a lid on hyperbole.

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  2. Re:How about the USA? by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA much? The coffin is not a mock funeral for the respective prime ministers, but rather for the 'death of science'.

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  3. Death of evidence by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is intentional. They deliberately impoverish the intellectual community so that few will be able to question what government does. If no one has hard data, the government can do what it wants. If hard data is available, the government has to take that into consideration. Behind every anti-intellectual is an authoritarian.

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    1. Re:Death of evidence by Hatta · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's an economic downturn. The government is having trouble funding programs. And the fact that they want to cut spending to a program that doesn't have immediate and clearly predictable economic benefit is because they're anti-intellectual?

      Basic research provides the greatest ROI of any sort of investment anywhere ever. On top of that, government spending helps to stimulate economies. Creating solid middle class jobs filled by smart, motivated people is exactly the kind of thing that you want to do to get out of a recession.

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    2. Re:Death of evidence by bzipitidoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      What?! You don't know what we got out of the moon landings? Seriously?

      The moon landings were propaganda first and science second. They demonstrated the superiority of capitalism over communism, thereby helping to perpetuate the economic system you apparently love so. We also got a few nice scientific advancements out of the affair, sort of as a side bonus. Don't go laying the expense of all that on science.

      Makes me sick how conservatives' vision has withered to nothing. What grand projects and great achievements would you conservatives have us do next? Apparently nothing at all, because that would make it harder to balance the budget. You whine that we can't afford it. You'd kill the James Webb telescope if you could, despite the huge contributions the Hubble has made to astronomy and physics. You did kill the Supercollider, and now look what happened. We did NOT discover the Higgs boson, the Europeans did. When you can be persuaded to open the vaults, do you do something noble and great? No, you prefer to stomp around the world and shoot up a bunch of Muslims, Africans, Asians, and maybe a few Latin Americans and Europeans, carrying on as if kicking the butts of a bunch of poorly armed terrorists and drilling a few more oil wells is the height of our aspirations. The only thing you seem to respect is force and money. Sure showed those Iraqis, didn't you? Do you understand how much money Iraq cost us? More than all the bailouts we've done in the past 5 years! Are the only past accomplishments of the US you can relate to the elimination of slavery in the Civil War, and victory in WWI and WWII because they were wars? What about the transatlantic cable and the telegraph and telephone system? The transcontinental railroad? The light bulb? Electrification of the entire nation? Refrigeration? Radio and TV broadcasting? The Interstate highway system? The Internet?

      Pooh-poohing the moon landings, Jesus H. Christ!

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  4. Can't cut anything... by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can't cut social security because old people will starve in the streets.
    We can't cut the drug benefits because old people can't afford their medication.
    We can't cut the military, or our enemies will attack us.
    We can't cut unemployment benefits, because people are unemployed.
    We can't cut benefits to the poor because the poor need help.
    We can't cut support to the bank industry because they need help to recover.
    And apparently, we also can't cut science funding, or scientists will die.

    The government is huge because people never want to give up ANYTHING. It's always "the other guy" who should pay.

    Well when you have a massive debt, everyone has to give up something.. and that includes (unfortunately) scientists. Maybe those researching "blue skies" projects that have gone no where should be cut.

    1. Re:Can't cut anything... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well when you have a massive debt, everyone has to give up something.. and that includes (unfortunately) scientists

      Science is not a cost, it's an investment. You don't fix the economy by stopping spending money on things that will give a return.

      Maybe those researching "blue skies" projects that have gone no where should be cut.

      The departments where people only do research that is guaranteed to work are usually the weaker ones. Good research addresses problems where the solution isn't known, where there are only some approximate ideas about what it may be, and where failure is likely. A big problem in academia today is exactly the attitude in your post - that people who do research that may fail should be penalised.

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    2. Re:Can't cut anything... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well when you have a massive debt, everyone has to give up something

      No you don't. You can increase revenue. The 1% own something like 75% of everything, they can afford it. FUCKING DOUBLE THEIR TAXES! History has shown that high taxes on the rich do NOT harm the economy.

  5. Re:How about the USA? by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't have anything informed to say, you could try saying nothing at all.

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  6. Re:Because these scientists are Special by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And they shouldn't be subject to economic downturns eh?

    Absoloutely, the best way out of an economic downturn is to make sure you don't develop anything new.

    Also, you and the idiots who modded you up are idiots.

    The real think that's pissing off all the victims of the EPSRC incompetence is that the EPSRC fucked up its advocacy efforts and got much heavier funding cuts than the other members of RCUK.

    So, basically, you and the mods have no idea what you're talking about and decided to mod up inflammatory crap anyway.

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  7. cut military spending by Dan667 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    no cuts to science funding needed. Problem solved.

  8. Re:Because these scientists are Special by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if te government spent $10 trllion on research, but then announced "cuts" to a more-reasonable level, these guys would still protest. It's human nature never to be satisfied. You will never hear them say, "Oh well 10 trllion was outrageously high. Cuts to 7 trillion would be reasonable."

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  9. Science vs. Bank Bailouts by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because these scientists are Special And they shouldn't be subject to economic downturns eh?

    In the last year or so the British government spent more money bailing out the banks that it has spent on science in the last 1,000 years. Now just pause and think about that for a second. Think about the world 1,000 years ago and where we are today because that difference is due primarily to science. If governments can blow more than 1,000 years worth of their science budget to bail out the very people whose greed created the economic down turn then you might think that they could find the relatively meagre pittance required to continue a program which has transformed our society.

    ...of course this may be part of the problem: it was far easier for those in power to deal with us troublesome peasants in the dark ages!