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Anonymous Helps Turn In Hacker Who Targeted Charity

netbuzz writes "A hacker who defaced and disabled the website of a New Zealand film company known for helping poor children could find himself in legal hot water in his home country of Spain after his attack spurred a Facebook/Twitter posse that included members of Anonymous, who the hacker may have been trying to impress. 'Apparently, one of the (Anonymous) rules is you don't hack charity sites, you don't hack sites of people trying to help kids,' says the owner of the damaged site. 'This guy was trying to impress them, to try and get into their group and boasting about what he'd done — but they turned on him, they chased him.'"

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  1. I want to hate Anonymous by ancientt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to hate them. I believe in following the law. I believe in following the rules of society and government. I believe that doing bad things in the name of good is still bad. Still, it is hard for me to hold Anonymous as evil when they are doing good like this, fighting the evil (of child porn) and injustice (Sony.)

    If you are an Anonymous member reading this, then know this, I am against you. I hold wrong what you do and how you do it, but what you are accomplishing... you have torn my ethical code. So here's to you, I raise a glass, may you be punished for your wrongdoing, may you suffer the consequences of your misdeeds, but despite that, may you accomplish the good things you aim for. If you have the balls to be willing to take the just desserts of what you have done and still have the guts to do what you feel is right, then kudos to you.

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    1. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Laws do not equal morality. Immoral things are legal and moral things may be illegal. You are the one that has to live with your decisions, supporting the "law" blindly is foolish because it rarely leads to the correct (moral) decisions. There exists a law higher than the laws created by the thugs in power.

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    2. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Change the law, how does one really do that? You can write to your senator or representative, only to get an automated response. I remember back in the early days of the DMCA, I wrote to my senator to urge him to oppose it, I got a prompt response assuring me that he was -supporting- the DMCA and not to worry because he would make sure that it would pass... You could try running for senate yourself, but unless you have the budget and the required charisma, you are likely to accomplish nothing but wasting a few thousand dollars. You can vote, but that doesn't do a whole lot, especially if you don't want the Republican or the Democrat challenger, and voting for the "lesser evil" never works out.

      About the only thing you can do is disobey the unjust laws and do the right thing secretly or move to someplace more free.

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      Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
    3. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blindly following the law is much worse than opposing it.

      If you name the worst crimes, the worst tragedies to occur in human history, the Killing Fields, the genocide in Rwanda, the holocaust, etc. were all committed by people simply "following the law", soldiers just "following orders". If you name the biggest heroes in the world, chances are they were breaking the law.

      But, its your life, you have to live with your own decisions. I for one will do what is moral, even if its not legal. I'm not going to break the law simply to, but I'm not going to blindly follow some law just because its the "law". When the current events today have become the textbooks of tomorrow and my children or grandchildren look at the tyranny that exists and asked if I opposed it, I can look at them in the eye and give an honest answer and not be ashamed.

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      Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
    4. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Laws do not equal morality. Immoral things are legal and moral things may be illegal. You are the one that has to live with your decisions, supporting the "law" blindly is foolish because it rarely leads to the correct (moral) decisions. There exists a law higher than the laws created by the thugs in power.

      I think this is very smart.

      At a time when all social institutions are failing us, when all leaders - religious, political and business - are failing us, when the very rule of law has been perverted to turn all but a very few into slaves, one needs to give a "higher law" some serious thought. It needn't be a religious thing, as many philosophers and our very experience has shown, but if we're going to avert the inexorable march of dystopia, it's something to be considered.

      The "rules of society" have been thoroughly turned on their head, and it's time to look very closely at oneself and decide what's right. The slogans of what's coming can be seen very clearly in advertising every few minutes on television. Unless they're recognized and carefully examined, and their wrongness discerned, we'll just end up going along with them.

      One thing about anonymous: they make people talk about what's right and wrong outside of the usual framework of the corporate hegemony that passes for "the rules of society" in 2012. Laws are for more than just making things orderly so sheep can be slaughtered with minimum fuss.

      In that regard, I'm glad anonymous exists. In a real way, they're kids, muddling through the confusing mess of what we are told is "right and wrong". They're figuring it out for themselves rather than just accepting the "work hard, don't rock the boat and pay the man" morals of today.

      What's important about anonymous is not what they do, what they decide, but what we do - what we decide. They're sort of an unintentional crucible - a lab for how society forms and how it fails. There is a lesson there for those that care to see it.

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    5. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by BeanThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.” - Martin Luther King

    6. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Change the law, how does one really do that?

      In a democracy, your power is determined by your ability to convince other people. Obviously, if you can convince enough people to vote for you, then you win, but more importantly, if you can convince people of the correctness of your ideas, then the people in office will have no choice but to vote for you.

      I look at Milton Friedman as an ideal example. The guy never ran for office, never had any political power, but the power of his ideas spread throughout the world, until politicians began implementing many of his ideas. He moved the Overton window without ever holding any managerial authority.

      Williams Jennings Bryan is another example. He ran a poor campaign and lost the presidency, only to watch his opponent implement many of the changes he wanted to see. The changes got made because they were popular. His opponent didn't want to implement them, but he did because to not do that would mean losing the next election.

      There are plenty of examples like this. Of course, if you're the average person, your influence is limited to posting on Facebook, and everyone else but your friends rolls their eyes. Your influence in that case is limited to a single vote, assuming you even vote. Churchill said, “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” Don't be that person.

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    7. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. You immediately jump to the worst incidents in history, and point at them as though they're representative examples. They're not.

      Insisting that you'll just follow your own code instead of the law works great as long as you have the "right" morals. Funny thing about that, everyone seems to think their morals are the right ones.

      Maybe I think it's immoral for my daughter to have a kid out of wedlock, so I kill her and her boyfriend as an honor killing. After all, it's my morality, and how dare your laws condemn it? Maybe I think abortions are immoral, so I won't let my employees have them, and how dare the law say otherwise? Maybe I think it's moral to drive drunk so long as I'm super-duper careful. How dare you take away my right to drive? Maybe I think it's moral to lynch murderers, and whoops, turns out that guy was innocent. How dare you make me follow your "due process"? Maybe I see no problems with dumping toxic waste in your water supply. How dare you fine me for it?

      You're a child. Anyone with the slightest idea how the world works would realize that if you tell people to ignore any law they don't like, you get chaos. Sure, if you ever find yourself working as a Nazi death camp guard, disobey those orders. But such disobedience is warranted as the exception, not the rule.

    8. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by Genda · · Score: 4, Informative

      And when our founding fathers found these truths to be self evident, and the oppression of their native land unbearable, they did what they knew in their minds and hearts to be moral and just. The disobeyed the despots. They fought for that, which they knew was worth of living and dying. Our society has ceased to stand even for itself let alone its posterity. Is it not long passed time to say, enough, you may not rob me of another right or personal freedom, in fact I'm taking what's mine back and you cannot have it. Not now, not ever.

    9. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or you could dismiss the 'truths to be self-evident' thing as just some powerful rhetoric, because those things are *not* self-evident. There is no great trancendent book of rights. The only natural law on such matters is the law of the pointy stick in the ribcage: Whoever has the power to enforce their will by force is the natural ruler. America didn't win its independance because it was morally better, or because of the strength of their arguments: They won because they had the advantage of some good leadership and fighting on their own turf against an enemy with severely stretched supply lines and political infighting back in Europe.

    10. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually hitler broke many many laws both locally and internationally in his actions, if he had followed the law he would not have been able to do much of what he did. What he did do though is retroactively change the law to make his illegal actions legal.

    11. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Form an organization. Raise money. Hire a lobbyist. Donate money to candidates who agree with you and run ads against candidates who disagree with you.

      Lose horribly to well-funded PACs with hidden deep-pocket donors who can afford to run extensive and expensive media saturation campaigns telling the voters how their candidates are "more conservative" than your candidates. As though being "more conservative" or "more liberal" was all that was required to represent the voters' best intererests.

      21st Century America, post Citizens United. One Dollar, One Vote. Ayn Rand would be so proud.

    12. Re:I want to hate Anonymous by Kelbear · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't see how the post above can be modded +5 insightful, it is literally the opposite of insightful:

      The grandparent post Pubstar is responding to:
      "Insisting that you'll just follow your own code instead of the law works great as long as you have the "right" morals. Funny thing about that, everyone seems to think their morals are the right ones.

      Maybe I think it's immoral for my daughter to have a kid out of wedlock, so I kill her and her boyfriend as an honor killing. After all, it's my morality, and how dare your laws condemn it? Maybe I think abortions are immoral, so I won't let my employees have them, and how dare the law say otherwise? Maybe I think it's moral to drive drunk so long as I'm super-duper careful. How dare you take away my right to drive? Maybe I think it's moral to lynch murderers, and whoops, turns out that guy was innocent. How dare you make me follow your "due process"? Maybe I see no problems with dumping toxic waste in your water supply. How dare you fine me for it?"

      Grandparent poster is illustrating the mindset of the misguided as an example of how a society without law enforcement and only individual moral judgement can lead to chaos. The Grandparent does not actually believe in these things, but is pointing out a series of hypothetical stances that other people may use in their individual moral judgement to do terrible things.

      Thus, the parent poster above, responding to the grandparent poster has completely and totally missed the point and is flat-out NOT insightful.

      Quoting the parent poster: "At this point, I stopped reading. Actually, I should have stopped reading at the above example."

      I think you should have kept reading, otherwise you might have realized your mistake.

  2. Re:Seizures by chromas · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're trying to get better; that's why they started Anonymous Anonymous.

  3. Re:Not Anonymous? by cmwatford · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't that make up a rather large portion of each anon movment? Also, every time I hear someone refer or imply to anon being a group or organization I cringe a little.

  4. Re:Seizures by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember when anyone at all could join Anonymous, claim its name for themselves, and could probably find some others in the group interested in pursuing their idea for an attack, even if it wasn't sanctioned by the group as a whole?

    Oh wait, that's how it still is.

  5. Re:Seizures by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The idea that "Anonymous" is a single entity is false. There isn't some supergroup called "Anonymous" anyone can (and does) call themselves "Anonymous" simply because its the "cool" factor. In then end, I'm anonymous, you're anonymous, the guy down the street is anonymous. That's the big thing with "Anonymous" there is no leader, its just a bunch of people moving in roughly the same direction. There is no one philosophy either morally or politically, just a couple of common interests. Join the swarm and leave.

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  6. Re:Seizures by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anonymous doesn't have morals

    In that way, they are very similar to a corporation. They are an aggregate of lulz.

    Anonymous are people, my friend.

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  7. Re:"Anonymous"? Talks to the cops? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    who is a firefighter? anyone who fights fire, or anyone wearing the uniform?

  8. Re:Not Anonymous? by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In much the same way a bunch of people at a bus stop are a group or loose affiliation... all going in the same direction... yeah.

  9. Re:Not Anonymous? by Boscrossos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't generalize that too much, though. Mediterranean maybe, but here in Belgium, and our neighbors France, Germany and the Netherlands (which, you'll have to admit, is a sizeable part of Europe), we generally move out after university, or as soon as we find a job.

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  10. Re:Not Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a Spaniard I can tell you that you have no idea what you're saying.

    How can it be traditional? 20 or 30 years ago people were working, married with children and owning (paying 10-year mortgages) a house at 18.

    With the rise of people going to college things changed nowadays, but you're regarded as a failure and mocked if you live with your parents at 30.

    It's true that many people lost their jobs and now they're living with their parents but that's obviously not a tradition.

    I cannot speak for Greece but I know a lot of people from Italy and it's the same.