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Security Expert: Huawei Routers Riddled With Vulnerabilities

sabri writes "Cnet reports that German security expert Felix Lindner has unearthed several vulnerabilities in Huawei's carrier grade routers. These vulnerabilities could potentially enable attackers, or the Chinese government, to snoop on users' traffic and/or perform a man-in-the-middle attack. While these routers are mostly in use in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, they are increasingly being used in other parts of the world as well, because of their dirt-cheap pricing. Disclaimer: I work for one of their competitors." Via the H, you can check out the presentation slides. Yesterday Huawei issued a statement 'We are aware of the media reports on security vulnerabilities in some small Huawei routers and are verifying these claims...'

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  1. Well... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You get what you pay for. Who would trust this craptastic bargain basement shit anyway? When something is being sold for a much lower price then competing products, there is a reason for it.

    1. Re:Well... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, exactly the same, except for all the deliberately inserted vulnerabilities. What a bargain!

    2. Re:Well... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does it make a difference if the device is wide open because nobody closed all the doors (east) or because someone opened a backdoor (west)?

      In practice, it almost certainly does: Vulnerabilities are exploitable by anybody who knows about them and cares to do so. That is a fairly long list of the world's spook shops, spammers, questionably socialized teenagers, and so forth. Law enforcement backdoors(unless they are also badly implemented and vulnerable) are exploitable by the law enforcement of your given jurisdiction. Not wildly comforting; but it is a shorter list...

      You would hardly call me a friend of CALEA and its analogs; but surveillance-under-color-of-law does have the advantage, from a security perspective, of essentially making the local feds users, rather than attackers, of the system. If they already get what they want, they have no incentive to weaken the security mechanisms in order to get what they want(and, indeed, if they want exclusivity, they have an interest in keeping their competitors out). It doesn't help the little people on the end of the wire all that much, of course.

    3. Re:Well... by poity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, they could just as likely be inadvertent vulnerabilities due to Huawei not diligently copying the newest firmware code from Cisco.

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  2. Re:summary is racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nice try, Chinese government.

  3. Re:summary is racist by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, a back door is deliberately created to allow specific people to come into the system - like a known account name with a known password. Just because you know the back door is there doesn't mean you can use it if you don't know the user and password.

    A vulnerability tends to be as a result of poor design or a software bug - and not usually placed deliberately.

    That's a clear distinction...

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  4. Tank Man is not surprised by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 3

    Huawei is heavily recruiting software developers in the Silicon Valley right now. They contacted me. I did not seriously consider it. In this picture, I identify more with the man in front of the tank than I do with the guys driving the tanks. To spend my life working for Huawei would figuratively put me behind the controls of the tanks.

    1. Re:Tank Man is not surprised by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Huawei is heavily recruiting software developers in the Silicon Valley right now. They contacted me. I did not seriously consider it. In this picture, I identify more with the man in front of the tank than I do with the guys driving the tanks. To spend my life working for Huawei would figuratively put me behind the controls of the tanks.

      It would be nice to think that by working for American companies you wouldn't be also be behind the controls of the tanks, but unfortunately that's not the case.

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  5. Re:summary is racist by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, I don't think you are working from a good definition of "racist." If someone insinuated that Cisco had a backdoor deal with the NSA, I doubt people would be screaming "racist" or even do anything more than shrug and frown. It's sound strategy, and the Chinese government is very good at infosec and cyberwar - the reason why people are up in arms isn't because the Chinese are a different race, it's that the Chinese government has been caught repeatedly engaging in corporate espionage as well as old fashioned espionage, where the US generally only bothers with the latter.

    Second, almost anyone who has a real infrastructure to protect knows that Huawei works arm-in-arm (or hand-in-pocket, more likely) with the 7th Bureau of the 3rd People's Liberation Army, the Chinese military infosec unit responsible for network penetration. The 7B3PLA has investments all through China's technology sector, to the point where individual chips on routers made elsewhere need to be vetted, as they might be compromised from the factory, and counterfeit devices are a real issue.

    Again, not a race issue. China is a global power, and it's acting like one with a solid strategy. It's likewise a solid strategy to avoid cheap off-brand network equipment for your infrastructure. TANSTAAFL, you get what you pay for.

  6. Hahaha. "Security experts" these days... by X.25 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And hundreds of vulnerabilities in Cisco IOS were somehow different, of course.

    But of course, their vulnerabilities were not related to 'Chinese government' and wouldn't make 'news for retards'.

    Sigh.

  7. Re:This doesn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They do usually rebrand their stuff. Some "lower-end" mobile phones, probably ones that carry the operator's brand name and not the manufacturer's, are likely to be made by Huawei or similar companies (ZTE, as another example).

    Another reason Huawei is so cheap is because they don't "innovate" like (most?) Western companies do. They kinda consider R&D to be a profit center and will not move an inch to develop something that is not _known_ to be profitable. I have first-hand experience with this. I work for Huawei. There!, I said it.

    Most customer meetings we have involve going to ask for requirements that they can be sent back up the chain to HQ (R&D) to get started on the development. Seriously. Our Chinese bosses (can't call them managers) and counterparts (some of the "local" staff have a Chinese "mirror") are constantly asking to find the customer's Strategy for a particular product/service and what the business model is going to be....even from technical staff at the customer.

    I recently ready this article http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/2012/07/10-china-multinationals-shambaugh and it paints a pretty accurate picture of my everyday life working here.

    As much as they "sell" the idea of being a communist country, they are still very much a feudal culture with a close-minded and I'm-never-ever-wrong-because-I'm-the-boss mentality. And it'll catch up to them...soon

    When people mention something about the Chinese taking over the world, I worry too. Just for very different reasons.

    (Posted as AC ((from work)) for obvious reasons)

  8. This IS an instance where.... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You get what you pay for.... Honestly if they are cheaper than d-Link, something must be wrong.

    It's just like buying your servers from Happy Fun server company. What did you expect you were getting for $49.95?

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  9. Re:This doesn't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, and the R&D guys that I've met, look like they're fresh out of the University (or ...idk) and no one has bothered to create any formal programming practices or the like...which is why I totally believe the comment about security coding practices being from 15 years ago.

  10. My own Huwei tax is paid-up. by SpzToid · · Score: 3, Informative

    My gargantuan 3g USB-dongle mandated with my subscription from Telfort in the Netherlands is from Huwei. But I never use it, and instead have placed the SIM inside my Nokia N9 (which also tethers nicely). Still, I am claiming the Huwei tax here in the Netherlands

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  11. Re:This doesn't surprise me... by faedle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is catching up to them.

    I work for a telecom company that has a significant investment in Huawei gear. Their equipment often has serious bugs, and upper management is starting to notice that the ability of the service and support teams to "do their jobs" is being hurt by Huawei's bugs, and we're seriously entertaining bids from other vendors.

    The sad part is that their equipment is SO much cheaper than anything else on the market.. I don't know if we could afford to even convert a fraction of our gear to some other vendor. The economics of the business is such that we couldn't afford to provide the service at the prices we charge without using the cheapest option available.

  12. Re:This doesn't surprise me... by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article you linked:

    Chinese business culture values interpersonal over institutional relationships, and business decisions are often oriented towards short-term profit. There is also a lack of transparency and oversight, which has been linked to a high degree of corruption.

    Right, because stuff like that would never happen in the United States...