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NASA's Own Video of Curiosity Landing Crashes Into a DMCA Takedown

derekmead writes "NASA's livestream coverage of the Curiosity rover's landing on Mars was practically as flawless as the landing itself. But NASA couldn't prepare for everything. An hour or so after Curiosity's 1.31 a.m. EST landing in Gale Crater,the space agency's main YouTube channel had posted a 13-minute excerpt of the stream. Ten minutes later, the video was gone, replaced with the message: 'This video contains content from Scripps Local News, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. Sorry about that.' That is to say, a NASA-made video posted on NASA's official YouTube channel, documenting the landing of a $2.5 billion Mars rover mission paid for with public taxpayer money, was blocked by YouTube because of a copyright claim by a private news service."

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  1. Unintended Consequences? Unfortunately - Not! by TXISDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what happens when you automate things and accept all claims as true. Sad thing is, "the industry" will say this is a small price to pay, and NASA being a government agency will not pursue it. This needs to be a wakeup call before we allow ISP's to monitor and police everything - there needs to be a human in the loop to fix these issues - and timely, not is days or weeks, but with the same SLA as the automated system. Right now, it is almost like the recording industry is calling the shots and everyone is guilty unless they prove they are not infringing. In the US, shouldn't the system be the other way around?

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  2. Re:shut Scripps down for 24 hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This. There needs to start being a penalty for false accusations, or they might as well accuse everyone at all times, because hey, what's there to lose?

  3. There is a $500 fine for this by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a provision that for fraudulent DMCA take-down that there is a penalty of $500. We should increase this to $50,000 immediately to prevent future abuses.

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  4. awesome publicity for public awareness by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal thing. This is more of a corporate thing, and when it's the coprs vs the people, it works the other way around, "guilty until proven innocent". (and then "guilty again after you prove your innocence, rinse and repeat")

    It'd be quite entertaining if Scripps Local News did this entirely on purpose, to raise awareness of the abusability of these procedures. Heck, I'd like to see them do what the **RA like to do. NASA file a counterclaim and get it back, Scripps file another notice, repeat that a few times and watch Youtube auto-suspend NASA's youtube account for three abuse claims. (doesn't matter if they are reversed, three claims is all it takes) That would generate some AWESOME publicity!

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    1. Re:awesome publicity for public awareness by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody is "guilty" here. All that NASA (or anybody else) needs to do is reply to the DMCA takedown request with this response: "This material does not infringe upon anybody's copyright."

      The organization who misrepresented their ownership of the file is guilty of perjury. The chances of those criminals being punished are negligible. Is that not a problem?

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    2. Re:awesome publicity for public awareness by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cool - how about we play the game, just in different terms? Anyone is allowed to kick you in the nuts. But after said kick, you have the option to say "hey, I don't like being kicked in the nuts, please don't do that again." From that point forward, that person is no longer allowed to kick you again, unless they want a fight on their hands. Sounds fair, right?

    3. Re:awesome publicity for public awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who gives a shit? For all I care he can believe the moon is made out of cheese. If a man can't otherwise lawfully put out content that he owns (i.e. a radio show) without having to deal with false claims of infringement and red tape, to me that's a problem worth addressing.

    4. Re:awesome publicity for public awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While your comment is indeed +5 Insightful. It is also off topic since no company filed a complaint, the video was caught by a over zealous automated system.

      It was indeed a company that filed the complaint, their name is right there in the message that the video is blocked by.... That they let a over zealous automated system file complaints on their behalf does not absolve them from being responsible.

  5. Henry the VI, Act IV, Scene II by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

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    1. Re:Henry the VI, Act IV, Scene II by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Let's kill all the lawyers, let's kill 'em tonight." ~The Eagles, 'Get Over It'

      The problem is that YouTube is very big and they have a lot of copyright infringements. They have to respond "in a timely manner" to copyright claims, so there are two ways to do it: automate everything to a great degree, knowing that non-justified takedowns will sometimes occur, or hire an army of people to do it with Eyeball 1.0. Option 1 is cheaper, so guess what?

      Solution: Automate the "Nope, this isn't copyright" process too. If you have a video taken down you can put it back up and the case is referred to a real person. The company/person who was in the wrong then has to pay $100 to the person who dealt with it. Problem solved.

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    2. Re:Henry the VI, Act IV, Scene II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

      >>That's as a prelude to abusing people's rights. So, be careful what you ask for - because you just might get it.

      >Mod parent Informative. Let's stop using this oft-abused out-of-context quote from Shakespeare.

      Often abused by lawyers, anyway. They like to claim that Shakespeare meant that that killing lawyers was a prelude to the Apocalypse, rather than something that -- as attractive as it might sound -- will never happen. Let's look at the quote in context:

      CADE: Be brave, then; for your captain is brave, and vows
              reformation. There shall be in England seven
              halfpenny loaves sold for a penny: the three-hooped
              pot; shall have ten hoops and I will make it felony
              to drink small beer: all the realm shall be in
              common; and in Cheapside shall my palfrey go to
              grass: and when I am king, as king I will be,--

      ALL: God save your majesty!

      CADE: I thank you, good people: there shall be no money;
              all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will
              apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree
              like brothers and worship me their lord.

      DICK: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

      CADE: Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable
              thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should
              be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled
              o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:
              but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal
              once to a thing, and I was never mine own man
              since. How now! who's there?

      Now, is Shakespeare claiming that "seven halfpenny loaves sold for a penny" should scare the socks off of people? What about "the three-hooped
              pot shall have ten hoops"? No? What about the lack of money, or being fed and clothed by the "king"? Why is it that "Let's kill all the lawyers" is the one jarring piece of reality in a farcical back and forth?

      No, Lawyers like to twist the meaning, because they hate having people agree with it. Better for them to point out that one might as well wish for the moon to be edible cheese as to wish for the removal of lawyers, something that Shakespeare did recognize.

  6. Re:So what? by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems to be the most important comment on here so far.

    We have NASA that uses taxpayer money for servers, but people shy away from their website because it is unfamiliar.

    So, NASA sends it to a private company that hosts webcam videos for free, and that private company puts ads at the beginning of the video, and ads in popup windows over the video. You would think no one would use the version with ads all over, but people like what is familiar, so it gets lots of views.

    Then, since it is subject to takedown notices (the same way as your hot neighbor's webcam is), some partner in Youtube's giant network requests it to come down, and it goes down with no questions asked. These takedowns happen all the time, and rarely are DMCA takedowns, regardless of what the text may say. Basically, any one that pays Google enough can become a "trusted partner" and tell them which free videos should be removed.

    Youtube is perfect for sharing thousands of hours of crap when you have no other platform for sharing your video. It's like today's equivalent of Geocities. It's not the proper place for hosting important content from NASA. If you choose to use Youtube (or Geocities) to find NASA content, you my get lucky and find what you are looking for, but if so, it's just lucky coincidence.

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  7. It's NOT Henry the VI, Act IV, Scene II today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No... let's keep using it, but let's use it in our OWN context, where we MEAN let's kill all the lawyers, because we have OTHER reasons than did Shakespeare's character, because OUR lawyers have basically hamstrung our society, crippled our technology, retarded our advancement, and saddled us with more bad law than good law.

  8. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...when you assume that a short string of words Shakespeare (or whoever) wrote down once can only be used in the manner he used it -- even if uttered verbatim -- it is you who look like a pretentious idiot.

    Language is what we make it, as we use it. That's its nature. Were it not that way, we would all be constrained to meaning what characters in sitcoms meant when they mouthed phrases we use every day.

    Language is living -- but Shakespeare's particular use is relevant only within his art.

    So I repeat, with literal meaning, and not because lawyers are good:

    First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

    Note the lack of quotes -- bitch.

  9. Uh, yeah by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The penalty for them is much less than the street justice penalty they want to hand out.

    You do have real evidence for this, right?

    This isn't one of those "Fox 'News' says Islamists want to kill me in my sleep so I better vote for Romney or everyone I know will get their heads cut off" knee-jerk fear of the other taken to the logical absurd end, right?

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