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Thin Mini-ITX Platform Enables DIY iMacs

crookedvulture writes "Shipments of all-in-one PCs are growing exponentially faster than those for typical desktops. Unfortunately, highly integrated systems like the iMac have traditionally made it difficult to replace or upgrade parts. And forget about assembling an all-in-one for yourself. Now, however, Intel has developed a Thin Mini-ITX platform that allows system builders and end users to put together all-in-one systems with standard parts. This hands-on look at Thin Mini-ITX pieces together an ersatz iMac using off-the-shelf components, and the process is pretty easy. While the end result isn't quite as slick as one of Apple's creations, parts can be swapped out with ease, and the configuration can be tailored to suit one's needs."

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  1. You can't do that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're advocating violating the OS X EULA!
    Heresy!!!

    1. Re:You can't do that! by Theoden · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're advocating violating the OS X EULA!
      Heresy!!!

      Pretty positive TFA is about building an all-in-one similar to an iMac, not installing OS X. :P

    2. Re:You can't do that! by imagined.by · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which is legal in a lot of countries! For example Europe!

    3. Re:You can't do that! by imamac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It didn't look like they were talking about installing OS X on it. But, it does use the Intel DH61AG motherboard, which is easily used for a hackintosh.

    4. Re:You can't do that! by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      I can understand the error. With each passing year the EU is looking more like a single, united country than even the U.S. country.
      Just last week I read the UK has to "ask permission" before they can rollout rural broadband expansion. Even U.S. states do not need to do that. They just do it.

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    5. Re:You can't do that! by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty positive TFA is about building an all-in-one similar to an iMac, not installing OS X. :P

      Then it's hardly an iMac, now is it? You might as well say your Linux desktop is a Mac. If it's not running Windows it's not a Windows computer, if it's not running Linux it's not a Linux computer, and if it's not running OSX it's not an iMac.

      A computer is a lot more than just hardware.

    6. Re:You can't do that! by joh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just last week I read the UK has to "ask permission" before they can rollout rural broadband expansion.

      These things are heavily regulated in the EU. Seems a pretty good way of dealing with this, since broadband (and this is *real* broadband) seems to be much cheaper and competitive in the EU than in the US. I'm paying 20 Euros a month for 50 Gbit with unlimited traffic and a flat landline and I can choose between half a dozen suppliers. What about you?

      Even U.S. states do not need to do that. They just do it.

      You surly meant to say "they just don't", I guess.

    7. Re:You can't do that! by Pax681 · · Score: 2

      Just last week I read the UK has to "ask permission" before they can rollout rural broadband expansion. Even U.S. states do not need to do that. They just do it.

      SORRY BUT THAT IS CRAP!
      they didn't have to ask permission, they applied for funding from the EU to assist with the payment of the rollout to rural areas.
      so please.... check the facts before opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble

  2. exponentially faster??! by doti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    are growing exponentially faster than

    you keep using that expression... it does not mean what you think it does

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    1. Re:exponentially faster??! by slashmydots · · Score: 2

      I know that ITX cases almost always have fans. I just threw that in there because Steve Jobs made the same mistake in like 1982 as he did in 2011 with style over function causing severe overheating problems.

    2. Re:exponentially faster??! by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      are growing exponentially faster than

      you keep using that expression... it does not mean what you think it does

      Introducing: FRACTIONAL EXPONENTS! Try our patented Zero over ONE!!!1!!

      Also try our small line of negative exponents.

  3. Kinda like a kit-car lamborghini by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

    This is kinda like a kit-car Lamborghini set that people like to put together. Now you too can have a lamborghini, with a chevy V8 on a chevy frame!

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    1. Re:Kinda like a kit-car lamborghini by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      Gutting older Jaguars and installing Chevy V8's is fairly common actually. It's a reliability thing.

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  4. Re:No OpenFirmware, no Mac. by imamac · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article is about a similar form factor to an iMac, not running OS X.

  5. Not Hackintosh/OSX86 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They aren't talking about building Hackintoshes here, just DIY PC-in-a-monitor.

  6. Re:Why? by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

    It has a fan...
    You might want to have that looked at... LOL

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  7. the cost is in the monitor by alen · · Score: 2

    i don't have an imac but i've ready that apple uses very high quality displays for them and that dell sells a similar monitor for $800 or so

    sure you can build something cheaper, but you aren't saving anything if you cheapen out on the monitor

    1. Re:the cost is in the monitor by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

      You're right... it's kinda like people painting their impala with a certain design and saying they have a dale earnhardt sr racecar.

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    2. Re:the cost is in the monitor by omnichad · · Score: 2

      A 6-bit TN panel is not as good as a 10-bit IPS panel. It's about color quality, and ability to calibrate to get a nice picture.

    3. Re:the cost is in the monitor by erp_consultant · · Score: 2

      That's a very good point. On my iMac at home I have an external monitor. It's a decent monitor but the display on the iMac is vastly superior. I'd go as far as to say that the iMac has the best display I've ever used. I'm sure there are monitors that rival it but they are not your $100 Fry's specials. Apple makes extremely good displays, both on the iMac and the MacBook.

  8. Competition is a good thing. by danaris · · Score: 2

    Let's hope that some of the major retail PC makers pick up on this, and start making their own.

    I love Apple, but I'd also love to see some competition out there for them in areas like this, to ensure that they always have a good reason to be keeping one step ahead. ;-D

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    1. Re:Competition is a good thing. by kidgenius · · Score: 3, Informative

      Vizio just came out with one. Looks pretty nice too

    2. Re:Competition is a good thing. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Get a Zotac low profile machine. They come in various shapes and sizes. Many are Atoms but some are not.

      Then use the VESA mounting kit they give you.

      Except for Flash Games, an Atom based (ION) machine does pretty well as a AIO desktop actually.

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  9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had a 27" iMac running at home powered on 24/7 for over two years now. It has never shut itself off due to over heating.

    I'm guessing you either got a faulty unit or your school room is a pig sty or you're lying.

  10. Re:Why? by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    Sounds like you may have had a faulty device then. Either that, or your environment was generally too hot for the work you were doing on it.

    I got one for my mom, and we have several in the office. Not once has anyone ever reported such an issue.

  11. Re:No OpenFirmware, no Mac. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    If you believe this, then you believe that Apple stopped making Macs in 2006, because no Intel Mac uses Open Firmware; the use the Extensible Firmware Interface instead.

  12. Nice by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    Nice to see Apple losing their prime advantage: looks.

    Now we just have to wait until Intel comes with DIY phones.

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  13. Re:Why? by gman003 · · Score: 2

    Say what?

    Both my high school and college used a large number of iMacs. I don't think one ever overheated on me, in the six years we had them. And we did some decently-power-hungry things with them (I once tried to compute the XKCD number on one - long story short, it didn't work).

    Now, there was a problem in one lab, where running all of them at once at full brightness would trip the breaker for the room, but that's a building power fault, not a computer power fault.

    Which generation was it that you used? All of the ones I've used were post-Intel ones, and I've heard the G4/G5 iMacs were terrible at heat management - I know the G5 Power Macs the graphics department had generated more heat than the server room.

  14. Are all in one desktops now all known as iMacs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WTF does this have to do with iMacs?

    1. Re:Are all in one desktops now all known as iMacs? by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, the Commodore PET was 7 years earlier.

    2. Re:Are all in one desktops now all known as iMacs? by JazzLad · · Score: 2
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  15. MAFIAA logic by firesyde424 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [sarcasm] Breaking news: Intel sued by Apple for patent infringement. Apple has sued CPU manufacturer Intel claiming infringement of their patent on the design of small, compact, all-in-one devices that can run OSX. Apple filed the lawsuit in a federal court located in western Texas. They are asking for an injunction against Intel as well as an award of $5,000 for each device sold by Intel. Apple has claimed that the only reason people buy something other than an Apple device is because they can and therefore every sale of these devices by Intel represents a lost sale for Apple. [/sarcasm]

  16. Re:Why? by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do people automatically assume ONE bad device == all such devices are bad? It's called "birth mortality". When a device is not properly assembled and dies early (or other serious flaws). Just because 1 Mac suffered birth defects does not mean the other 100,000 Macs were bad. Your school should have simply traded the bad Mac for a good Mac.

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  17. Re:Why? by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah. Overheating is a problem with fanless macs. Sometimes you can prevent this by flipping it upsidedown from time to time and giving the components at the top time to cool.

    This technique is called the Hot Apple Turnover.

  18. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I currently work at a location with 41 27" iMacs, and I used to work at an authorized repair depot for apple. I have repaired and handled MANY of these machines, and I can tell you they don't "shut down due to overheating". They will clock themselves down to a point where the machine is excruciatingly slow, but the aluminum back of the machine will act as a large enough heatsink to keep the processor cool at whatever speed it clocks down to (probably something like 200mhz judging by the slowdown).

    There are three components that would likely cause the symptoms that you describe:

    1. DC/SATA Cable - on early 27" (and some 21.5") iMacs, these would short out somewhere along the cable and cause all sorts of shutdown and sleep issues. It was a bitch to fix but generally the first part we would replace if we couldn't determine the cause of a problem.

    2. Power supply - Even someone as simple-minded as you would probably understand how a faulty power supply could cause this issue - not "Steve Jobs hating fans".

    3. Display Inverter Board - The inverter board on early 27" units would fail regularly, causing the screen to go black, and making standard luddite users think the whole machine powered off.

    Steve Jobs did not hate fans. Steve Jobs hated loud and obtrusive fans. The 24 and 27" cinema/thunderbolt displays contain fans, and every iBook, PowerBook, and MacBook (including the air) has had at least 1 fan (the 15" before late 2009 and 17" up until they cancelled it had 2).

    Get your facts straight, your single anecdotal story != true for every iMac.

  19. Re:Nicely done by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    Weird, i made 3 posts that became -1 (troll) in within the past week and my karma's still excellent. Maybe your cumulative karma was just barely in the excellent range and the one troll was enough to knock you down?

    Slashdot works in mysterious ways...

  20. Re:Why? by FictionPimp · · Score: 2

    I think Steve Jobs must have loved fans judging by the jet engine I call a 2010 unibody macbook pro on my desk.

  21. Re:Why? by zerro · · Score: 5, Funny

    ahh yes - you were holding it wrong!

  22. Re:Why? by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    ahh yes - you were holding it wrong!

    I know you're trolling, but... umm... yes?

    In the years of iMac use I have had, even taxing the thing a high CPU load for long periods during the summer (and I have no AC) the fans have barely ever ramped up enough to hear them.

    If he had an iMac that was overheating "an average of 3 times per class period" then it was either faulty or installed inside an oven, or inside a case that restricted airflow to the heatsinks (not a problem unique to the iMac).

  23. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, in other words == != =

  24. Re:Why? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    Of course he's lying. He's declaring that Apple hardware can break just like any other PC. [/sarcasm]

    My Apple horror story is a an nv9400 Mac Mini. The thing cooked itself to death. A logic board replacement didn't help either.

    Compact machines are tricky but they have certain obvious engineering challenges. If a machine burns your hand when you touch it, that might be a problem.

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  25. Re:Why? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    He's not trolling. He's expressing a contrary opinion.

    Calling you a blinded cult follower. ---- THAT is trolling/flaming.

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  26. Re:Why? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Informative

    The most rational thing that people can do is make judgements about their own personal first hand experiences and second hand experiences from people they know and trust.

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  27. Re:Why? by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ahh look. It's the white knight here to defend Apple with his anecdotal evidence.

    My anecdotal evidence is just as valid as the OP's anecdotal evidence based on a data set of one alleged machine.

    Take that for what it's worth, or is his post "valid data" because it criticises Apple?

  28. Re:No OpenFirmware, no Mac. by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    If it looks like a Mac and quacks like a Mac and runs OS X like a Mac, it's a Mac.

    That bolded item? It doesn't do that. The article headline should be 'Thin Mini-ITX Platform Enables New All in One PCs'. The mention of 'iMacs' was just a bit of linkbait.

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